I can almost guarantee that the show will reveal them as married and Jon being Rhaegar's heir.
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John Dunbar
correct about everything
according to the laws of westeros, women and bastards do not inherit, so dany would not have a better claim. i think the question is that according to the letter of the law, who would inherit robert now, since cersei, dany, jon snow and gendry are all disqualified?
John Dunbar
correct about everything
targaryen polygamy hasn't been a thing in ages, though, so i don't really see why people would think jon is anything but a bastard even if rhaegar and lyanna did have a ceremony of some sort to feel better about their adulterous relationship (goes for book and show).
but then again, people seem cool with him breaking his oaths, so whatevers.
DarkJediKnight
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I think it varies by regions or doesn't apply to the royal family. Elia Martell is not called a Targaryian. However, Catelyn and Lysa took names of their husbands house.
DarkJediKnight
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Gendry is not disqualified. By law, Cersei or whoever succeds her can name Gendry a Baratheon. He will then be legitimized.
I bet my bottom dollar, the show will end with Gendry taking his father's Stormlands, and be a legit Baratheon. He will marry Arya. And the show will end how it began, with the talk about a Stark and Baratheon union.
Moff
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Are we really sure about this, women are on the same level as bastards? I doubt that.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
and why would cersei, or anyone for that matter, legitimize gendry? sure, it could happen, but as things stand, he is disqualified. and not just because he is a bastard, but because no one knows he exists.
not when it comes to random houses, but women cannot inherit the iron throne according to the law.
Except Olenna and the Sand Snakes because they are so progressive in the Reach and Dorne.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i think a woman can still inherit if they are the last living member of a house. just not the throne.
Poor Sansa
Moff
Member
where is that mentioned? I never heard of this before
DarkJediKnight
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Davos and Mellisandre both know who he is. This guy has to play a part just being the sole Baratheon alive.
elrechazado
Banned
This is such horrible fanfic
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Security is provided by a private contractor. Guards are shuffled around a lot. Also more WILDCARDS YAY GET HYPE EVERYONE
The problem is in Westeros, partriarchal inheritance is the normal rule of law, but the perspective of the show is such that it discredits this system because in our world, it's clearly a load of sexist bullshit. However, it is conveniently not raising that question (yet) when it comes to Daenerys's claim to the throne being her 'right' because she is a Targaryen, despite it being part of the same system she is basing her legitimacy. On one page it says 'the crown passes down the family' and on another it says 'to the firstborn son'. So she's picking the part of the system that works for her and ignoring the part that doesn't, rather than doing the honest thing and basing her claim to the throne on her ability to be the best possible leader - which is a much more questionable position, because while she's inspired people to follow her through big, supposedly altruistic actions and also - really, mainly - the power of her dragons, we haven't actually seen her sustain a period of strong leadership that encouraged stability.
Really all she has is the power of her dragons, so she's making an existential threat to her opponents, and her bloodline, so she's appealing to the laws of a system she at the same time disavows and says she's going to 'break'. Off to a great start by saying you're the queen by right, rather than ability.
She's basically she's full of shit.
So is the show, for that matter, if she isn't confronted about this. They have characters we like say things about her having a good heart, being a kind ruler, etc, and that distracts people from the fact she's a huge hypocrite who abandoned her responsibilities as queen in Meereen already. It's a narrative dead end to just put her on the Iron throne and have everyone talk about how good she is, and beneath the show. She is different than the other bad rulers Westeros has had, she's definitely has nobler intentions, but it's all based on the same entitled horseshit and it shouldn't end well.
DarkJediKnight
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This is why I'm on Neogaf, and not making millions writing books. lol
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Gives Arya something to do besides brood over killing Cersei (which won't happen). I always thought Arya might end up with Gendry (who is a bastard Prince), and that would be interesting contrast between Sansa ending up with the Hound.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i might remember totally wrong, but i believe women can only inherit the iron throne if every single male member of the dynasty has died, while widows have some rights in lesser houses. i don't remember where i read it, i think it was one of the wikis that list succession to the throne in westeros.
DarkJediKnight
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Oh GOD!
Atraveller
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It was a Tumblr blog at first, then it took off. It now has a separate site and Patreon.Heh first time I hear of that website. Seems I've been missing out.
People used to post his recap after every episode.
DrForester
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I think the line of succession is pretty well fucked. The houses will follow whoever is powerful.
With so little time left, I can't see them wasting time with a Danny/Jon battle rules lawyering which of them is the true ruler. Hell, if anything it might just get Danny off her stupid "bend the knee" thing, and just give Jon the North.
Much as I've enjoyed the Dragonstone stuff and much of Danny's scenes, I am let down she's stuck on this "bend the knee" thing. After all she's been through she should know better than anyone that her people don't follow her because of her name, or because of some line of succession. They follow her out of loyalty because she's proven herself to them.
With so little time left, I can't see them wasting time with a Danny/Jon battle rules lawyering which of them is the true ruler. Hell, if anything it might just get Danny off her stupid "bend the knee" thing, and just give Jon the North.
Much as I've enjoyed the Dragonstone stuff and much of Danny's scenes, I am let down she's stuck on this "bend the knee" thing. After all she's been through she should know better than anyone that her people don't follow her because of her name, or because of some line of succession. They follow her out of loyalty because she's proven herself to them.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
except the unsullied who are mindless drones.
Dany being stubborn about that sort of thing is totally in character though. She listens to logical arguments, which is a big point in her favour. But her natural inclination is towards tyranny in most situations. In her mind, she is the rightful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, and the North is one of the Seven Kingdoms. What happened on Essos was completely different.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
There's a lot of fan fiction, artwork involved with SanSan.
and the dothraki who follow her because she killed all their leaders and walked out of a house on fire, so they think she's magic, which she is.
and those two are basically her whole army.
I always wonder what Dany's endgame is with the Dothraki when she conquers Westeros (assuming they live).
"Thank you for helping me get my throne back. Now GTFO. We don't need to raiding, raping, and murdering the peasantry"
Sansa disserves to get a nice lay though......
I guess they have one more reason to bring back Daario other than to kill him for fun. He was basically just a breathing sex toy.
I checked this out today. I like how it has it's own running jokes and characterizations. Kind of an Abridged parody.
I guess they have one more reason to bring back Daario other than to kill him for fun. He was basically just a breathing sex toy.
I checked this out today. I like how it has it's own running jokes and characterizations. Kind of an Abridged parody.
Targaryen polygamy is going to be a thing that comes up in the books. George didn't make Aegon the Conqueror fuck both his sisters for no reason.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
They will probably be the first to die via White Walkers.
Gets rid of them and makes the army of the dead even larger so the dragons don't seem OP.
Because he defended Storms End during Robert's Rebellion. Also Storms End is the Batheron castle, and thus was his to inherit since Robert had the throne.
That was some shameless and unnecessary character assassination. Total hack writing.
Gunslinger
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Anyone feel like little finger has been nerfed? He was schmeing everything back then. Now he feels so out of character in the show.
Moff
Member
my guess is that GRRM told D&D nothing about him and they are helpless to come up with something smart
He pretty much went downhill when he gave Sansa to Ramsay.
The Artisan
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i wonder how much of seasons 6/7/8 are original and how much are based on what the future books are gonna be?
Despite Littlefinger's speech about imagining every outcome, he failed to imagine a few things currently playing out.
1) I think that he expected Sansa to be more compliant when he returned.
2) He didn't expect Bran to be alive. And now that Bran is back, how does he deal with someone who isn't even human?
3) Arya being back further messes things up.
Instead of Sansa being isolated, allowing him to wear her down and bend her in his desired direction, all of the remaining Stark kids are back together (or will be eventually, assuming Jon returns to Winterfell while everyone is still alive). All of them have picked up complementary skillsets in the past 6-7 years. None of them are Ned Stark.
EDIT: Of course, this being GOT, they will probably get together for an episode before Bran is killed and one of the girls is captured. I thought that they were aiming at something last season having almost all of the great houses in the hands of women, but then "poof" half of those women were killed off.
1) I think that he expected Sansa to be more compliant when he returned.
2) He didn't expect Bran to be alive. And now that Bran is back, how does he deal with someone who isn't even human?
3) Arya being back further messes things up.
Instead of Sansa being isolated, allowing him to wear her down and bend her in his desired direction, all of the remaining Stark kids are back together (or will be eventually, assuming Jon returns to Winterfell while everyone is still alive). All of them have picked up complementary skillsets in the past 6-7 years. None of them are Ned Stark.
EDIT: Of course, this being GOT, they will probably get together for an episode before Bran is killed and one of the girls is captured. I thought that they were aiming at something last season having almost all of the great houses in the hands of women, but then "poof" half of those women were killed off.
-Hodor
-Sept blowing up
-Dany leaving for Westeros
-Boltons die in some way
That's probably the extent of it.
Littlefinger is salvageable, he's hasn't been acting out of character, but nerfed is about the correct word for him. He's become a background character, and this will be okay if he reveals that he actually does have some kind of plan in place. He certainly gets a lot of reaction shots that indicate he MIGHT be up to something, but it's been going on for so long that you've got no idea exactly what it is, or if it is.
R+L=J is obviously where the books are going as well.
Yes, but I have to imagine how that's revealed to Jon himself will probably differ.
The Artisan
Member
that all happens in season 6, so season 7/8 is all original content?
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
They needed to make the Harpys seem like a threat, and needed to kill off an advisor so Tyrion can have a spot. Honestly Missendai is more likely to die than Grey Worm at the point. Grey Worm has an army, Missendei doesn't need to translate the common tongue.
It's pretty awful tbh. They can't do his book plot (I'm guessing marrying Sansa to Aegon)
Season 6 Jon is essentially Stannis. Dany's will probably be similar to her actual plot in Winds. Too many variables to point out further ones.
I have no idea how to even predict Littlefinger. He hasn't plotted in a while.
When Jon and Dany are having sex, and forgetting who has the cock and who has the cunt, Jon will have an epiphany that Dany's his aunt.
The Artisan
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we haven't even seen how it is revealed to Jon on the show yet.