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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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The Artisan
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One small detail I picked up on this season which I thought was pretty cool is that they seemed to have taken inspiration from the World of Ice and Fire companion book when designing Dany's outfit. Here's Dany and Rhaegar side by side
That picture of Rhaegar has always reminded me of Brad Pitt
The art in that book is really something. Had to go get mine just to look through it again.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
In the back of my mind, I think about the possibility that this might be a (probably small) influence in why the next book is taking so long too - that Martin secretly wants to prove that he's the main man, and without his writing, D&D ain't shit.
DarkJediKnight
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Quick question for you book experts. One thing about Tywin Lannister that bugged me in the show is that he seems to be very virtuous in that he despised whites and did not want his sons laying with them.
In the books he was very demoted to his cousin/wife and didn't take another wife after she died.
Show Tywin is depicted as having sleeping with Shae. I found that totally out of character for Tywin.
In the books he was very demoted to his cousin/wife and didn't take another wife after she died.
Show Tywin is depicted as having sleeping with Shae. I found that totally out of character for Tywin.
The Artisan
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first off, nobody should be thinking that the show is great because of D&D. the show is great because GRRM was a genius for creating the song of ice and fire
second off, if that's really the reason why he's delaying this then not only is he dishonest but needlessly arrogant. everybody should know he's the brains of it all, so there's no need to reinforce the fact with sudden halts in production.
cj_iwakura
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Pretty clearly happened in the books too. The implication is that he's just a hypocrite.
Uh, he slept with her in the books to brah. Tyrion finds her in his bed the exact same way.
I don't see a question but it was the same in the book (Shae in his bed).
Ocarina_117
Banned
Show Tywin was amazing. Charles Dance NAILED it, he completely dominated every scene he was in (with exception or his conversation with Ollena).
It's a pity they dropped the ball with Kevan.
It's a pity they dropped the ball with Kevan.
The Artisan
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yeah Tywin's actor was a boss. I don't like how he had so much power as the Hand, though. He threatened Olenna to put Loras on the Kingsguard but first of all isn't that Loras's choice? He should be able to say no and second, wouldn't it be the king who chooses the Kingsguard?
Red Arremer
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Charles Dance left such an impression on me that when I read the books after watching the show, I heard Tywin's dialogue in Charles' voice, even with the small little breathing pauses he took in his performance. I still do.
Well Tywin was the de facto ruler, anything that he would suggest to Tommen or Joffrey for that matter would be done (even if Joffrey occasionally would resist, but I doubt he would have in that case).
Being invited to join the Kingsguard is such an honour that rejecting it would be a grave insult to the king, and the royal court as a whole. In knighthood, there is no greater honour than serving the king as a Kingsguard. It would have been a foregone conclusion, essentially.
Yeah, I haven't read the books so it's possible his characterisation is different, but in the show it never really made sense to me he was this much of a hypocrite. It wasn't a necessary twist for him, part of what made him such a difficult father were his extremely high standards and it's a bit of a cliche to have him not live up them himself, and in such an unnecessary way. He was so resolutely focused on establishing a family dynasty that I don't believe he would even want to have sex with prostitutes, much less one that had been in a serious relationship with his least favourite son. Wouldn't he think badly of himself? Tywin doesn't seem like the kind of guy to lack self control.
Always felt out of character to me, I kind of gloss over Shae's presence in his room that night. They put her there so Tyrion would be forced to kill her because she would have been a witness or tried to stop him from killing Tywin, but that wasn't even a necessary element of that scene, either. It wasn't about her at that point, it was about Tywin having completely forsaken Tyrion and Tyrion finally having had enough of it.
The show misses Dance's presence after he's gone.
SporeCrawler
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kevan was supposed to be much less charismatic than tywin.
The Artisan
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It also means giving up titles and inheritances. Loras was the heir to Highgarden. And Margery was the queen (I think?) shouldn't the queen have more power than the Hand of the King? I guess that doesn't sound right but the queen should have a say.
why? He was a massive liar and hypocrite
Dance really owned that role as Tywin.
Something interesting I found while looking through The World of Ice and Fire, under the section of The Long Night.
"How the long night came to an end is a matter of legend, as all such matters of the distant past have become. In the North, they tell of a last hero who sought out the intercession of the cildren of the forrest, his companions abadoning him or dying one by one as they faced ravenous giants, cold servants, and the Others themselves. Alone he finally reached the children, despite the efforts of the white walkers, and all the tales agree this was a turning point. Thanks to the children, the first men of the Night's Watch banded together and were able to fight - and win - The Battle for the Dawn: the last battle that broke the endless winter and sent the Others fleeing to the icy north."
So will Jon try to find the Children of the Forrest or is it to late?
I know this happened several thousand years ago but it sounds almost like the situation Jon is in now.
Something interesting I found while looking through The World of Ice and Fire, under the section of The Long Night.
"How the long night came to an end is a matter of legend, as all such matters of the distant past have become. In the North, they tell of a last hero who sought out the intercession of the cildren of the forrest, his companions abadoning him or dying one by one as they faced ravenous giants, cold servants, and the Others themselves. Alone he finally reached the children, despite the efforts of the white walkers, and all the tales agree this was a turning point. Thanks to the children, the first men of the Night's Watch banded together and were able to fight - and win - The Battle for the Dawn: the last battle that broke the endless winter and sent the Others fleeing to the icy north."
So will Jon try to find the Children of the Forrest or is it to late?
I know this happened several thousand years ago but it sounds almost like the situation Jon is in now.
Latvian Hitman
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*sigh*
He would have been named Warden of the North by King Tommen himself, not Cersei. Cersei's just who he struck the deal with. If it had played out the way he was hoping, he'd have had the title, he'd have had the knights of the Vale, he'd have Winterfell, and he might have had Sansa at his disposal. That's a pretty big fucking upgrade from what he had going for him at the beginning of season 5.
Dance really owned that role as Tywin.
Something interesting I found while looking through The World of Ice and Fire, under the section of The Long Night.
"How the long night came to an end is a matter of legend, as all such matters of the distant past have become. In the North, they tell of a last hero who sought out the intercession of the cildren of the forrest, his companions abadoning him or dying one by one as they faced ravenous giants, cold servants, and the Others themselves. Alone he finally reached the children, despite the efforts of the white walkers, and all the tales agree this was a turning point. Thanks to the children, the first men of the Night's Watch banded together and were able to fight - and win - The Battle for the Dawn: the last battle that broke the endless winter and sent the Others fleeing to the icy north."
So will Jon try to find the Children of the Forrest or is it to late?
I know this happened several thousand years ago but it sounds almost like the situation Jon is in now.
Are we talking in the books or the show?
In the show, I think the last of the Children died helping Bran escape. I'd be surprised if they brought anymore back in like a secret colony somewhere. Plus, there are dragons this time around, which diminishes the need for them. If anything at all calls back to that role, Bran doing whatever Bran's gonna do will be the stand-in.
Whether or not there's going to be any extended night at all in the show is probably a good question at this point, seeing the pace at which things are moving. If it doesn't kick in this season, it'd just be kind of lame to bring in like 3 episodes into the next one.
Human Trashcan
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That is hands-down the dumbest theory I have ever heard and there's no shortage of dumb ASOIAF theories
Dumber than Varys being a mermaid?
The Artisan
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no more character twists please
Ah, you're right, forgot that they died in the show.
I'm just thinking that there is a possibility if Dany loses her dragons, or they get killed or she just refuses to help Jon, say she gets tied up with the war against the Lannisters and Jon has to face the White Walkers alone.
Yeah I'm not holding out any hope for an extended night either.
ClosingADoor
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I hope that we do at least have the White Walkers coming down and making some major progress, and not just a big battle at the wall and then it's all done. Give me some desperation and lost hope.
If there is a big battle to end it all (I don't think there will be) it should at least happen at Winterfell.
The Artisan
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if the white walkers are defeated will the seasons go back to normal or is there a scientific explanation for why seasons last longer than years on this planet
What about time travelling fetus Tyrion?
DarkJediKnight
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That's what I find odd. Shae being there made no sense to me.
Three pages of "Hold my beer" incoming.
Jaime was the heir to casterly rock before the mad king placed him in the kingsguard. Even tywin, the hand of the king could not stop it. Declining an invitation to the king's guard is very disrespectful. Then again this is the mad king we're talking about, any slight would've prob gotten you killed.
I'm not sure what power a queen traditionally has, but I'm sure the hand of the king has authority over her. It seems to me that the power of a queen depends on how much the king allows her to have. Whereas the hand of the kings words are taken as if they came from the king himself.
Cersei didn't seem to have much power when Robert was king. Yet Margery had much more just being betrothed to joffery.
Even in the absence of the king the hand rules as acting ruler, not the queen
The Artisan
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i'd imagine that a slight against Joffrey would be similar to that of the mad King, but, so what if it is disrespectful? if Loras said no would that have started a war with Highgarden? despite the fact that Loras's sister is a queen?
elrechazado
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Ridiculous theory. He's a eunuch merMAN, not a mermaid.
Maybe just ice ages? We had a minor ice age about 400 years ago.
Human Trashcan
Banned
merperson, please
hmm actually this joke is kind of shitty but in the interest of transparency I will leave it up
Bounceounce
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Show only watchers finding out how monstrous and different book Euron is, is absolutely hilarious.
Pilou Asbaek signed a "will not read the books" clause in his contract.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Cold Hands? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Ocarina_117
Banned
Where can I see this?
Hm, but that would make him like 6-8000 years old... 🤔🤔.
I need to re-read the books.
Isn't there a vision (House of the Undying?) where the White Walkers are in the Trident?
I see it as Tywin and Tyrion being more similar than either would admit.
Edit: From motivation (wanting to be taken seriously) to devotion to their beloved to their cunning. Then both liking having sex with prostitute seemed like it made sense to me. Tyrion lack of discretion always seemed like Tywin's bigger issue since he kind of just turned his head at Jamie and Cerse's affair since they kept it pretty under wraps.
Oldest Snake
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Not in the HotU, the Trident is only implied by the vision of Rheagar's death.
She does have a separate dream though where she was Rheagar killing Robert's forces at the Trident on the back of a dragon, and they were described as being armored in ice.
Ocarina_117
Banned
I would like to propose that the attack on the wall is the best battle sequence in the series thus far. Love the episode in its entirety. So many fantastic character moments. The only negative being feking olly killing Ygritte.