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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Bran took a turn for the super creepy.
It really started before Tyrion told him "fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettlblack and Moonboy for all I know", after they had sex in front of Joffrey's corpse.
It's just so late in the game and he is still whipped by Cersei... it's super frustrating.
Isn't the biggest Littlefingers Vale army?
And the Tarly's presumably betrayed them, with who knows how many other banners
Def setting up Queenslayer on the show. Wouldnt be surprised if thats how it goes down in the books, with Mag's prophecy and all
Starphanluke
Member
Did... did you watch the same episode I watched? It's all explained very clearly.
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
Yeah... with the way the show seems to be cutting corners left and right to just get rid of any loose ends so that we can get to White Walkers versus Dragons for the Epic Battle to Save Westeros, I am increasingly of the mind that Littlefinger isn't surviving this season. Sansa is looking too in charge for better or worse and with how fan fictiony the show seems right now where everyone is meeting up with everyone and loose ends are getting nice little bows on them left and right, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Sansa has Littlefinger put on trial or executed by the end of this season.
I continue to be flabbergasted that the show is wrapping up in 10 episodes now? And this season is basically half way over now that we have only 4 episodes left? I've been rewatching Season 1 over the past week and the pace of events in the past couple episodes is just insane compared to how things breathed a bit in earlier seasons.
I'm not complaining about anything necessarily, but with how fast things are going down left and right, this just totally reinforces my thought that the showrunners have a tiny little bullet point list of big events from GRRM and even that's likely pretty slim. And as such, that's the biggest reason why we're speeding towards a fan fiction ending for the series, cause the showrunners don't have the books as a nice detailed map anymore.
That's the sort of shit we're just gonna have to deal with from here on out. Characters and stories are basically pinballs at this point, just bouncing around with little set up, only to serve the story, I held off on posting about it last week, but it's basically the same principle that led to
Euron goes to sea -> Yara goes at sea -> Euron immediately makes a pinpoint crash head first into Yara's ship and launches a flawless victory
It's basically Westerosi teleporters in plot form. I'd get used to it, considering how many episodes we have left. Still seems to be plenty of good character/moment-to-moment stuff left in there once you let that stuff go though.
cj_iwakura
Member
That's been pretty clear for the last two seasons.
Yes, he doesn't talk to Meera like he just discovered he's "the one".
How about "I left Winterfell and met some weird people. They taught me how to tell the future and shit. It's crazy."
Hey remember that thing that happened in season 2? Here's a character talking about it!
Hey remember that thing that happened in season 3? Here's a character getting murdered for it.
Hey remember that thing that happened in season 4? Now these characters are long-lost friends because of it.
*great writing high five*
Hey remember that thing that happened in season 3? Here's a character getting murdered for it.
Hey remember that thing that happened in season 4? Now these characters are long-lost friends because of it.
*great writing high five*
Nazgul_Hunter
Member
Im starting to think Euron feels so modern and meta because his job as a character is to be a deus ex to get the story moving along.
Dorne an issue? Better call Euron!
Dany too op? Better call Euron!
I actually dont begrudge the show for doing it with him; especially because unless the show is majorly deviating from the books, most of the plots introduced in books 5 and 6 wont be relevant to the end game.
Dorne an issue? Better call Euron!
Dany too op? Better call Euron!
I actually dont begrudge the show for doing it with him; especially because unless the show is majorly deviating from the books, most of the plots introduced in books 5 and 6 wont be relevant to the end game.
Robdraggoo
Member
In the preview was that
Or could it be
Dun dun dun
Little finger with cats claw
Or could it be
arya with cats claw and little finger face
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Ros8105
Member
Can't wait for this show!
Will the Thrill
Banned
I guess we know what the spin off/prequel will be about now!
Napalm_Frank
Member
Cersei being killed by Jaime is almost too obvious at this point.
Maybe turn it into something more surprising. Maybe Jaime abandons Cersei because reason X and joins Tyrion and that is what triggers her really going full mad queen. Then have her being killed by someone else (or something else like a dragon).
One big mystery is what is Qyburns endgame. He is by far the most mysterious character when it comes to where he will end up. We know almost nothing about who he is, where he is from ect. and he is in a very powerful position.
He isn't really loyal to Cersei, he's basically just happy as long as she lets him do whatever he wants with his experiments, if the situation called for it I'd imagine he would kill her in a heartbeat and surrender the city to Dany. He is the one controlling the Mountain too.
But I can totally see a situation where Qyburn is just killed off without any fanfare and his character going nowhere. We haven't even seen any real action of him doing any hand of the queen stuff.
Maybe turn it into something more surprising. Maybe Jaime abandons Cersei because reason X and joins Tyrion and that is what triggers her really going full mad queen. Then have her being killed by someone else (or something else like a dragon).
One big mystery is what is Qyburns endgame. He is by far the most mysterious character when it comes to where he will end up. We know almost nothing about who he is, where he is from ect. and he is in a very powerful position.
He isn't really loyal to Cersei, he's basically just happy as long as she lets him do whatever he wants with his experiments, if the situation called for it I'd imagine he would kill her in a heartbeat and surrender the city to Dany. He is the one controlling the Mountain too.
But I can totally see a situation where Qyburn is just killed off without any fanfare and his character going nowhere. We haven't even seen any real action of him doing any hand of the queen stuff.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Why is it that they're seemingly rushing this show to an end?
It's the biggest TV show right now, a cultural phenomenon and it's popularity is always rising?
Why not have a full 10 episode run this year and let things breath? I'm sure HBO would be more than happy to fund more episodes? What are the major actors doing outside of GoT?
Why are D&D already planning their next show when they should be focusing on living up to monumental expectations?
Better planning and a few more episodes and I believe a lot of grievances had with the last few seasons could be remedied. Many arise from cutting corners. Euron now is just a vessel to forward this 'war' to a conclusion.
It's the biggest TV show right now, a cultural phenomenon and it's popularity is always rising?
Why not have a full 10 episode run this year and let things breath? I'm sure HBO would be more than happy to fund more episodes? What are the major actors doing outside of GoT?
Why are D&D already planning their next show when they should be focusing on living up to monumental expectations?
Better planning and a few more episodes and I believe a lot of grievances had with the last few seasons could be remedied. Many arise from cutting corners. Euron now is just a vessel to forward this 'war' to a conclusion.
I mean I get they're attempting to speed things up to the end, but Jesus.
I can't remember the early books, but I don't think the Vale's army is one of the larger forces. Untouched by war, maybe, but even then, the Reach had like 70,000 men.
Gunslinger
Member
So the preview shows drogon next week. What are the chances Euron Kills him like nothing?
I always think of it like: Qyburn knew who The Mountain was. He was one of the few (maybe single) survivor of when the Lannisters left Harrenhall. His secret revenge: Doing what he did to The Mountain. Dude wasn't allowed to die, and now lives as some mindless meat. Well, maybe a bit more mindless than before.
I kind of think of Qyburn as another one of those "survivor" characters. He just hitched his ride to what was available to at the time.
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On the subject of what's happening to the Reach and Dorne: The heads got taken out. Reach appears to be splintered anyway, with Tarly joined up. Unknown where the rest of their forces are, as it sure didn't seem like Highgarden was that defended. Dorne, though, best I can tell, they're all still mostly out there, but the problem is, they've never really shown them at all. Their head (somehow Ellaria) was being Lyfted back to Dorne by the greyjoys. Dorne is really only out their leader and her 3 daughters. But it still feels like "that's the end of Dorne."
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I think the showrunners just want to move on. They wanted this to be the last season, but HBO wanted more. What we have with the two shorter seasons was probably a compromise.
I guess I don't get why everyone is upset with the teleports, as they are serving as a conduit to the action.
Imagine instead if we just had 3 episodes of Yara, theon, and the sand snakes just hanging out on ships. Talking about life. Posts would be about how they were filler episodes with nothing happening.
Imagine instead if we just had 3 episodes of Yara, theon, and the sand snakes just hanging out on ships. Talking about life. Posts would be about how they were filler episodes with nothing happening.
ShooterMcGavin
Member
I'm almost positive the two bastard dragons are finished by end of season, but Drogon will make it.
Yeah, really. There are 7 episodes this season - things have to move, and quick.
Also seems like budget and filming time/personnel constraints were an issue.
Beyond the logistical issues of the Lannisters moving their entire army undetected and taking Highgarden without breaking a sweat while Euron teleported across the country, I thought this one was ok. I was disappointed by the look of Casterly Rock. Wasn't really much of a rock to it.
I also kind of like that the Starks are all meeting up only for them all to be too shattered of people to enjoy it at all. Bran can no longer relate to other human beings, Sansa can't meet anyone without scheming against them, and Arya can't meet anyone without dreaming up three ways to kill them.
Ellaria had no lines but got to do more acting than she's done in two seasons. I would guess we're not going to revisit her for a while. And they're really giving no indication of what's happening to Yara in Euron's custody.
The Oldtown plot is still stupid. "How'd you do it, Sam?" "I read the book real good!" I really hope there is something of meaning in Oldtown other than a deus ex machina for them to bail out of a greyscale plot they lost interest in.
I also kind of like that the Starks are all meeting up only for them all to be too shattered of people to enjoy it at all. Bran can no longer relate to other human beings, Sansa can't meet anyone without scheming against them, and Arya can't meet anyone without dreaming up three ways to kill them.
Ellaria had no lines but got to do more acting than she's done in two seasons. I would guess we're not going to revisit her for a while. And they're really giving no indication of what's happening to Yara in Euron's custody.
The Oldtown plot is still stupid. "How'd you do it, Sam?" "I read the book real good!" I really hope there is something of meaning in Oldtown other than a deus ex machina for them to bail out of a greyscale plot they lost interest in.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I have no idea but I'd imagine Vale army to be bigger. Untouched by war as you said and if we are going by the books there are some other stuff like some Florent forces being with Stannis. But I doubt any of that is taken into consideration for the show anyway. Tarly being with Jaime is the easiest explanation for the quick downfall.
Yes I do remember when they used to do this and it was bad then, is it okay now or something?
I was kinda disappointed that Sam didn't try to convince Jorah to go north. His what, niece? is in charge about to fight an army of the dead, seems like something he might care about.
His story with Dany has long been played out, would have been nice to see him go a different direction.
His story with Dany has long been played out, would have been nice to see him go a different direction.
Maybe D & D have gotten tired of people constantly bitching at them for revealing shit from the books before Martin, like it's somehow there fault he is a lazy asshole. Or switching between if they think something they do is brilliant or not depending on if they think it's something they made up. (I fucking saw those shitheels on westeros.org U turn from "Hold the Door" being the stupidest thing ever, to brilliant when they found out that was always Martin's plan.
They have been doing this show and working much harder then it's creator for half a decade. They probably want to just move on
They have been doing this show and working much harder then it's creator for half a decade. They probably want to just move on
Great episode. Few thoughts:
Bran is legit creepy. Of all things to prove his ravenness to Sansa, he chose that night. WTF
So glad they didn't waste time on either the Casterly Rock or Highgarden battle. Speeding past all that and giving the conclusion of that arc to Jamie and Lady Olenna was perfect. And her not going out without getting the last word in was priceless.
And I almost want to give D&D some credit for not going with sexually violent and gratuitous deaths for Elliria and Tyene. Honestly the mental torture Cersei choose to punish Elliara with is so much more interesting than violent rapes and beatings I was expecting, ala the Mountain and Elia. Like, the friends I was watching with were all starting to cringe as it played out but then collectively realized it wasn't going to go that way as Cersei was shutting down her options. I kind of liked it to be honest.
Points lost though for another episode with no Hound. Booooo.
Bran is legit creepy. Of all things to prove his ravenness to Sansa, he chose that night. WTF
So glad they didn't waste time on either the Casterly Rock or Highgarden battle. Speeding past all that and giving the conclusion of that arc to Jamie and Lady Olenna was perfect. And her not going out without getting the last word in was priceless.
And I almost want to give D&D some credit for not going with sexually violent and gratuitous deaths for Elliria and Tyene. Honestly the mental torture Cersei choose to punish Elliara with is so much more interesting than violent rapes and beatings I was expecting, ala the Mountain and Elia. Like, the friends I was watching with were all starting to cringe as it played out but then collectively realized it wasn't going to go that way as Cersei was shutting down her options. I kind of liked it to be honest.
Points lost though for another episode with no Hound. Booooo.
The Artisan
Member
word, so is it possible that in the books, Rickon and Osha survive and the role Davos has with Jon he has with Rickon instead?
wtf unicorns??? and when you say Rickon is living with the wildlings, with the cannibals, do you mean both the regular free folk and the thenns? or just the thenns?
indeed he is. they kinda nerfed his character early on this season, though. episode 1, whether he agreed or disagreed with what Jon said, he should've said something. He's sitting on the right of Jon making him literally Jon's right hand man, so he should've had a say like Sansa did.
Episode 2, he sees the letter from Tyrion; he's been on Dragonstone with Stannis, Stannis knew about the dragonglass so it'd make sense Davos would know too, he should've said something in Jon's favor in that lords meeting.
Episode 3, while I do think it's best that Tyrion and Davos get along, there should've been a moment that at least implied the characters are aware that Tyrion was responsible for Matthos's death.
Speaking of Matthos, wtf is up with Davos's family? His wife is still alive yeah? He decided to go back to Stannis instead of her after his son died wtf?? Does he not care about his family?
wesleyshark
Banned
I'm telling ya Bran brought that up specifically for a reason.
Why does Cersei hate Olenna so much in the show? Jamie had to prevent her from having Olenna killed in horrible fashion.
Because she joined Dany's cause? Because she's "vengeful" that Cersei wiped out her entire family? Because Olenna made a few jokes at her in earlier seasons?
Because she joined Dany's cause? Because she's "vengeful" that Cersei wiped out her entire family? Because Olenna made a few jokes at her in earlier seasons?
elrechazado
Banned
Thenns aren't cannibals in the books. Rickon is on skagos, island of cannibals and unicorns.
Frank the Great
Banned
A dragon is definitely going down this season imo. The foreshadowing is so thick they are beating us over the head with it.
ShooterMcGavin
Member
Absolutely. No reason to show that Qyburn scene otherwise. As I said above, I don't think it will be Drogon, but I do believe one or both of the "lesser" dragons are going down.
Gabriel_Logan
Member
Really Cersei? That's your torture plan? I was expecting the boats or impalment.
cj_iwakura
Member
I thought the wall coming down would be how they escalated things quickly, but now I'm thinking it might be a season finale stinger at the rate we're going.
DrForester
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I don't know. Seems pretty appropriate. And who knows what her plans for her after her daughter dies.
But why though? To remind his sister about the night she was raped? That's messed up.
I mean, he could be trying to tie what she went through back to Littlefinger, but he wasn't there for that night. Seems cruel to remind her of it, to be honest.
This is the frustrating thing about this season though. They didn't HAVE to have a seven episode season they CHOSE to have one and I don't understand why they would do that. They clearly have the content for two full seasons worth of materials by just expanding what we're seeing now. I liked this episode better than the last but the pacing is way off for me this season.
Ocarina_117
Banned
I watched random episodes from season 1 and 4 earlier this week. The drop off in quality is ridiculous. Not just the writing and narrative, the episode structure and pacing is just abhorrent. They feel like scenes spliced together to rush the story to a conclusion now. Episodes (and by consequence recent seasons) don't flow as well as they used to.
Yes there's only 7 episodes (D&D's choice I assume) so things have to move. Yet we have time wasted on Ed Sheeran and an awful sex scene between two characters no one cares for.
The series were what hooked me into the world of planetos. I picked up the books after season 2 and went ahead of the series after season 3. It's just disappointing to see such a drop off in quality to a series I will always love for the quality of the first half.
Yes there's only 7 episodes (D&D's choice I assume) so things have to move. Yet we have time wasted on Ed Sheeran and an awful sex scene between two characters no one cares for.
The series were what hooked me into the world of planetos. I picked up the books after season 2 and went ahead of the series after season 3. It's just disappointing to see such a drop off in quality to a series I will always love for the quality of the first half.
cj_iwakura
Member
Arya went back to Winterfell.
wesleyshark
Banned
It does on the face of it, to us as viewers. But we don't know what exactly Bran saw or perhaps if he has some sort of contextual involvement with his time meddling.
He's definitely up to something.
I think it's because of the actions of her daughter, Margaery, who nearly usurped House Lannister through her seduction of Joffrey and Tommen.
Cersei's fierce maternal instincts put her at odds with Olenna, who can be viewed as her top rival. Therefore it's not surprising that the matriarchs of the Tyrell and Lannister families despise each other.