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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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Bakkus
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There are 2 problems with this
What will then happen to my VC games at 60Hz? Won't they get revamped to crappy PAL 50Hz format?
What about Project M? it's playable due to my NTSC copy of Brawl, won't that copy become unplayable, then?
Also, will it be possible to turn it back to NTSC again with no problems?
D.Lo
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No, can set to PAL60. It's the video mode, not the console region.
And it has nothing to do with NTSC games, VC or disks, that's separate. You should use preloader or something to make the console region free for both.
Yes everything is reversible.
Go look all this up in the Wi Homebrew thread, there are solutions for everything.
I have one of these and it is not a component to RGB converter. It's a simple RCA to Scart adapter (or vice versa if you note the input switch). Basically you plug your component cable or composite cable into a scart socket on your CRT or a scart switch. The video signal will remain whatever your system is outputting and nothing will show on your display if it truly does not support component.
IrishNinja
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need to update my framemeister profiles, looks like there's a few new ones up on that guy's site! PS1 & 2, NES, SNES, Genesis & a bunch are done, wondering if PCE/Saturn/etc will see the love
god yes, i recall asking around but was just told id need a "computer monitor" and kinda left it at that...i distinctly remember this panel though!
I always remember this comparison in EGM of Batman on Genesis with RGB vs composite
Anyone else remember that?
god yes, i recall asking around but was just told id need a "computer monitor" and kinda left it at that...i distinctly remember this panel though!
Seriously, how old are you guys? I'm a year older than the Genesis itself, lol.I always remember this comparison in EGM of Batman on Genesis with RGB vs composite
Anyone else remember that?
Also, if only I had seen that pic...
IrishNinja
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i am...older than that
baphomet
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Yea, I'm getting well into my 30's.
I've got a whopping 2 years on the Genesis... So, I'm fast approaching an age that starts with 3, but not quite there yet.
I've been playing a ton of Metal Gear Solid 5 lately, but my Framemeister should be getting some love in Oct when my Everdrives arrive / when Teknoman posts the "GAF plays 31 days of horrror 3" thread. Got some good retro horror ready to go.
I've been playing a ton of Metal Gear Solid 5 lately, but my Framemeister should be getting some love in Oct when my Everdrives arrive / when Teknoman posts the "GAF plays 31 days of horrror 3" thread. Got some good retro horror ready to go.
PumpkinSpice
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Are we talking Japanese Mega Drive launch or American Genesis launch? Case it might matter for some of us.
NormalFish
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I'm thinking I'm concretely on the younger side of things lol.
blast processed
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I always remember this comparison in EGM of Batman on Genesis with RGB vs composite
Anyone else remember that?
I do remember seeing that and I remember thinking, huh, that looks cool, but did nothing about it. This site also uses the same shot in a mouse over comparison from Composite-RGB.
I was 16 when the Genesis launched. Purchased the Sonic bundle when I was 18.
Only gets better when you get into your 40's
No it doesn't
NormalFish
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I gotta get my hands on a nice 14" PVM. I don't know how anyone has space for a CRT bigger than 20" lol.
sixteen-bit
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i like my 14pvm
sit close tho, lol
sit close tho, lol
entremet
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Gotta get up close like our kid days.
D.Lo
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Kids these days.
I played my first three years of NES via RF on a 30cm black and white TV.
blast processed
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Thats what mine is now, it fits my setup so I don't mind.
entremet
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I did too, but when my parents hogged the living room TV. I would disconnect the NES and connect it the inferior b/w one.
Yeah 20" is perfect for retro gaming. Less than 13" is rough, 13" is kinda nice because of how sharp everything looks.
I played my consoles up to Dreamcast on two different Commodore RGB monitors that had composite input. Composite on that looked so much better than a tv though. And that was only 14 inches so the smaller size made it look crisp.
If you're playing from couch distance, you're doing it wrong!
I sit at around arm's length like playing computer games. It can be either the 14" or the 20" CRT and it always feels perfect. At this distance the 20" display actually looks large sometimes.
I've come to prefer this over sitting on my couch and playing on my giant HDTV. It feels less personal and it's not how I grew up playing the vast majority of games. Sometimes I think it gives me neck strain because I can't move it far back enough and the top of the TV is noticeably higher than my forward line of sight.
IDK. lol
I play on my jumbotron plasma for good now (save for few exceptions). I tried to play on a 34 inch CRT, but there's no getting rid of unwanted CRT quirks like geometry and convergence. There's more issues to CRT to consider apart from screen size and weight. So Framemeister it is for me. For those willing and able to play on a CRT, that's a-okay as well.
NormalFish
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So do any of you guys who use PVMs suffer from sensitive hearing? In other words does capacitor squeal bother you? That's been a huge issue with CRTs for me in the past but my TVs had no degauss option and were relatively large.
All the time. It helps me remember to turn it off after use. I can hear our plasma too though so it's not like it's that much different. When they're producing their own sound the squeal seems to fade slightly so playing games on them is very tolerable.
I'm that person that walks into a building and says "There's a TV on in here somewhere" though so YMMV.
NormalFish
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yup, i'm exactly the same. My father and brother used to get rather annoyed with me because I'd complain about them leaving the TV on (upstairs, pretty much as far away from the places I would spend time in that house as possible).
If you can deal with it, though, I think I can probably cope. I've also experienced what you describe about the game reducing the impact of the squeal. All the more reason to more seriously hunt for a PVM. Also seems like a better solution for living in dorms (transferring schools soon, so trying to compact some stuff) than a framemeister just due to lack of stealability.
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BTW, peagles, your image in the GB thread is broke.
sir_kevith
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One thing about CRTs is that they put the screen right in front of your face so the smaller size makes a bit more sense. A 25 inch CRT on my MVS feels huge to me after playing on my 14" PVM. I usually play a bit better on the smaller screen too. I'm guessing because my eye balls don't gotta travel as much.
Re-upped, hopefully that fixes it.
I wanna feel dat glow on my face cheeks...
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That's why the controller cords are so short on Japanese consoles. It's not a bug, it's a feature. Much bigger screen size!
i made a vid showing the GBPlayer through the FM with several different setups.
video
the first one is just regular GBP disc running on GC, second one is the GBP disc forced to 240p using Swiss, 3rd is GBI regular edition with some zoom to test how the zoom scales and the last one is GBI LL version (it just has 2x scale and nothing else). i can't get footage from the ULL version because i don't have anything that can display it.
the capture settings were the same for all 4 instances. i used a GC with component cables and progressive scan for all of them. the FM was set to Smart x2 so that i could get 1:1 pixel mapping on my TV.
the vid is 720p because my capture card only supports 60 fps capture at this resolution. in 1080p i can only get 30 fps (i need a new capture card and PC lol)
i noticed GBI LL looked the best to what i was expecting.
video
the first one is just regular GBP disc running on GC, second one is the GBP disc forced to 240p using Swiss, 3rd is GBI regular edition with some zoom to test how the zoom scales and the last one is GBI LL version (it just has 2x scale and nothing else). i can't get footage from the ULL version because i don't have anything that can display it.
the capture settings were the same for all 4 instances. i used a GC with component cables and progressive scan for all of them. the FM was set to Smart x2 so that i could get 1:1 pixel mapping on my TV.
the vid is 720p because my capture card only supports 60 fps capture at this resolution. in 1080p i can only get 30 fps (i need a new capture card and PC lol)
i noticed GBI LL looked the best to what i was expecting.
I was just looking at the thread about Undertale being the currently highest rated PC game on Metacritic and wondering...
Is it easy to run Steam games at 240p/480i on a CRT or do most of them have a forced minimum resolution?
I have crt_emudriver running Windows 7 at a low resolution the monitor can handle (640 x 480i), coupled with Groovy Mame running arcade games at their native res. I just wanna try it to see if it can be done with regular PC games. Not for stuff like Dark Souls or Crysis, but for all the retro/indie games: Freedom Planet, Super Time Force, Shovel Knight, Axiom Verge, etc.
Is it easy to run Steam games at 240p/480i on a CRT or do most of them have a forced minimum resolution?
I have crt_emudriver running Windows 7 at a low resolution the monitor can handle (640 x 480i), coupled with Groovy Mame running arcade games at their native res. I just wanna try it to see if it can be done with regular PC games. Not for stuff like Dark Souls or Crysis, but for all the retro/indie games: Freedom Planet, Super Time Force, Shovel Knight, Axiom Verge, etc.
I would love to know the answer to this as well. But I'd assume that those games won't necessarily look right at those low resolutions. Not everything was designed with 240p in mind... not even modern "retro" titles.
Well i'm glad it was recommended and now I can definitely vouch for the Startech USB3.0 HD Capture device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OB_Dfnfx1c
Still need to mess with video settings on the capture software and probably should output videos at only 720p60fps, but great first time results after sorting out some technical issues (didn't want to play nice with one of my front USB ports).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OB_Dfnfx1c
Still need to mess with video settings on the capture software and probably should output videos at only 720p60fps, but great first time results after sorting out some technical issues (didn't want to play nice with one of my front USB ports).
Nostalgic Nightmare
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I can't even get gbI ull to run on my fm, I'm wondering if it's my tv. Basically I'm stuck using LL version as a result. Did ull work without issue or did you have to adjust anything, I read your post like it worked but your capture card piece didnt.
sixteen-bit
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Nice pickup Lokbob
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I only tried it for a little bit, but I was pretty dissatisfied with how Swiss + GBP looked in 240p. At a glance, it looked more like it was downscaling 480p to 240p than rendering everything in 240p natively, although I'm not certain that was the case.
I haven't tried the GBI yet, though.
I haven't tried the GBI yet, though.
I've only used GBI. And yes, it seems to be some sort of downscale if I had to guess.
Comparing OG Gameboy games on Super Gameboy at 240p vs those same games on GB Player+GBI shows something is definitely off to my eyes with GB Player + GBI.
240p is supposed to be clean and sharp.
Edit: Nevermind
NormalFish
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It's been a while since I checked the guy's thread, but I don't think this is true for GBI. I'm in the midst of something or I'd check the thread.
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