US expels Russian diplomats over cyber attacks
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PepsimanVsJoe
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sankt-Antonio
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Aren't these diplomats in the us to deal with exactly this kind of stuff. You know be diplomatic and stuff. Did Germany kick anyone out after the US hacked Merkels phone?
I seem to miss something essential here.
You are missing something. Nobody is so stupid as to think information gathering isnt happening. It is and it is generally agreed upon. Obama has talked about this many times. Lines were crossed when that normal info gathering was used in an attempt to influence elections.
RPGCrazied
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At this point we can only hope for a fast impeachment.
So because the US is performing military action in Iraq, if suddenly some place like Cambodia started waging war in Arizona you'd be all "turnabout's fair play?"
Yes, the US does a lot of scummy shit in the world. Yes, other countries do scummy shit in the US. I expect countries to defend themselves.
Hate to quote myself, but it wasn't even 10 posts later. Don't derail the thread guys.
You seem to be missing the topic of this thread.
Maybe if Russia was concerned with diplomatic relations with the U.S. they wouldn't be hacking our elected officials, and parties and candidates and fucking with our elections.
Its one thing to have intelligence programs, every country does that, probably cooperates, but when you are openly fucking with that countries elections, you have to expect some blow back.
No tears should be shed for Russia.
Couldn't have been more on the money.
It will be... interesting, to see Trump try and fuck his way out of his cluster fuck of a presidency.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Eerily accurate.
Greetings comrade!
ImpracticalPassword
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Iirc, losing diplomatic immunity and expulsion from the state the diplomat was sent to are different things. There are times when diplomats who commit crimes are still protected through immunity so they cannot be prosecuted, but the state can still ask them to leave. (After all, all states that signed whatever treaty that codified the treatment of diplomats would not give up the prerogative to kick diplomats out. It acts as a non-hostile rebuke to the diplomats' home country and ultimately does not put individuals in harm's way.) Anyway, I'm guessing these Russian diplomats have retained immunity.
ETA: Or rather, they'll probably retain immunity until the deadline to leave the country. After which, the host country will no longer see them as part of a diplomatic mission (i.e., not a diplomat) and they'll likely be subject to the laws of the host country.
sankt-Antonio
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Thank you.
Palette Swap
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Good. Fuck Russia.
Goddamn. That's the article with the John Wick anecdote, except it was a diplomat and he didn't do anything about his dog.
Netherscourge
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So Russia's "diplomats" were in on the hacking scheme and fake news distribution?
I've seen them referred to as "operatives" on some websites.
Very odd all-around.
I've seen them referred to as "operatives" on some websites.
Very odd all-around.
That's actually not what I'm criticizing him for. He's right that Obama acted too late with Russia.
I'm criticizing him for the hypocrisy of publicly supporting a candidate who sucks Russia's left nut and then trying to act all tough on Russia. Spineless piece of shit.
Eternal Gamer
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Sorry GAF, but Andrew Ryan is right, this has been an example of all Obama's foreign policy, always too little too late.
The Albatross
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Nearly all of Ryan's statement is criticizing the Obama administration, which I think Ryan is right to some degree about, but the statement should be more standing up to Russia and defending the Administration, not giving a backhanded criticism.
This is ridiculous. Russia was never about to collapse in 2012... It's just the narrative that Obama sold to the American people to sound effective on foreign policy. Not only was Russia not about to collapse, they didn't collapse and Putin solidified his role in Russia by antagonizing the west and juxtaposing himself against Europe and the United States. Obama was flat, dead wrong about it. Russia took the Crimea just over a year after Obama declared that the '80s want their foreign policy back.' That same year (2012) Russia kicked USAID out of Russia, state-run Russian media attacked and started a smear campaign against US Ambassdor Michael McFaul leading to his resignation a year later after repeated thuggery & intimidation by secret police, Putin abruptly canceled his Camp David summit with Obama, within a year, Putin would denounce Europe's multiculturalism and tollerance [towards homosexuals and minorities] as "neutered" and ideas driven by Satan.
It's ridiculous to pretend that Obama was right on Russia in 2012, and we're paying for it 4 years later.
That said, I completely stand by Obama's actions today and wish that the GOP would stop being petulant little babies and wholeheartedly stand with the president.
Putin better be fucking careful. Once his orange puppet fails, us liberals will rise with a force that they will never see coming. They don't expect us to play the dirty game they play but things will change.
Knocking RU into a recession wasn't enough.
We should have secured the 'POSSIBLE NUKE AREA' sooner I guess ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Netherscourge
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If Obama had acted earlier, during the waning months of the election season (or whenever they had concrete evidence of all this shit), Hillary would have probably lost by even more.
It would have looked like a government snow-job to get her elected.
Instead, the exact opposite happened and it was Russia who was allowed to conduct it's own snow-job to make Hillary look bad.
It was going to be Lose-Lose for Hillary no matter what. Trump's alt-right base would have made sure of it no matter how bad Trump looked. Hillary was damaged goods going into the election and she never appealed to any of those Red State voters. Not even when Trump was as low and disgusting as he was.
It would have looked like a government snow-job to get her elected.
Instead, the exact opposite happened and it was Russia who was allowed to conduct it's own snow-job to make Hillary look bad.
It was going to be Lose-Lose for Hillary no matter what. Trump's alt-right base would have made sure of it no matter how bad Trump looked. Hillary was damaged goods going into the election and she never appealed to any of those Red State voters. Not even when Trump was as low and disgusting as he was.
PepsimanVsJoe
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They only deny it because (some of them) don't want to admit that they support Russia's actions.
koji kabuto
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The WhatAboutTheUS guys always shows up when any one criticize Russia.
Regulus Tera
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One can criticise both Russia and the US for being meddlesome bullies. That said, the fact that one superpower so brazenly interfered in another's elections and is getting away with it is the type of realpolitik that leans closer to satire than anything else.
ebullientprism
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Doesnt matter. They could chill at a hotel for like 3 weeks. 
Yes reality. The American German relationship is completely different from the American Russian relationship. One is like fucking with a friend and the other is like poking a bear. If Russia doesn't like the way it is being treated or vice versa then pull all diplomats out of each country. Nobody would care except Trump and a few Russian billionaires. You dont let a Russian gangster like Putin do whatever he wants without consequence.
Yeah, but this thread is about Russia. They could start threads about American interference if they were that concerned with it, but they never do.
Netherscourge
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If Trump reinstates the diplomats, he'll look guilty as hell.
It'll make him look like he's returning Putin's favor for helping him get elected.
And it's more evidence for congress to ratify articles of impeachment with.
It'll make him look like he's returning Putin's favor for helping him get elected.
And it's more evidence for congress to ratify articles of impeachment with.
Psychoward
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Use citations to tell me when Obama's administration ever hacked a foreign power's election.
DontBeThatGuy
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He just had to make sure to get that "zinger" in at the end though.
It sounds like a completely separate but a 'good of a time as any' to do so kind of thing to me.
The compound in Maryland that the Soviets bought in 1972 being closed down is probably the most interesting part of this to me.
Except Russia was already doing this, which is why Obama had this response in the first place.
Netherscourge
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Here we go
Russia won't do anything.
Because if they do, it puts Donald Trump in a bad spot and they need him as their puppet liaison to get the ORIGINAL sanctions for the Ukraine incursion lifted, as well as these election tampering sanctions.
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So, he should just allow any nation to meddle with our presidential elections and more? Huh?
shadow_shogun
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2016 is hitting new highs in international relations
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Deplorable MugPunter ‏@Mug2Punter 23m23 minutes ago
@russianembassy Stay strong Russia, January 20th isn't far away....
Oh sweet Jesus...
Is this true? Is this is really our future?
Political bodies are now fucking taunting each other with memes.
I refuse to goddamn believe this.
Probably.
Palette Swap
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That's been very plausible for months now.
Psychoward
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All signs point to yes.
This is our present, the future is infinitely more terrifying.
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