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US GAF: Support your national soccer team
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Oh, ok. I see what you mean now. Yeah, a playing style like the way we went at Spain and Brazil from the get go would be great. I think that's what will happen against Algeria. Buddle and Altidore up front. And Ive said it before, Torres is great...as a sub!!!daoster said:
The clean sheets, I don't know what to say about that. It's a crazy statistic. Algeria has a purpose to play all out now. We saw how they came out against Slovenia in their first match. They are very capable of testing Howard early.
Seriously, sincewhen is supporting your country an act of arrogance if you're american? So, we're happy that we came back from a two goal defecit. SOrry, sensitive world members of GAF.AstroLad said:
:loltmaynard said:
Refs get evaluated at the end of the group stages and the best stick are kept for the last rounds. But, seems like thisguy's getting sent home early. Despite that, damage has been done.
Also, I saw an article somewhere where they're trying to back up the ref's decision to disallow the goal based on some FIFA rule for this world cup. Something about "wrestling in the box". So, apparently, 3 of our players being infringed on and being wrestled to the ground is a violation AGAINST them. :lol
I'll come back with the link when i find it unless someone else has it and wants to share.
gutter_trash
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Portuguese-Canadian here and I feel really sorry for team USA
that ref should be fired, I hate officiating in Soccer, such as the game today where the US got robbed + when France used a Handball and robbed Ireland of qualification
Refs are the ugliest part of this sport... time to go all out NFL with video reviews, fuck the refs
that ref should be fired, I hate officiating in Soccer, such as the game today where the US got robbed + when France used a Handball and robbed Ireland of qualification
Refs are the ugliest part of this sport... time to go all out NFL with video reviews, fuck the refs
daoster said:
2-0 against Mexico in the Round of 16 in 2002. The only clean sheet for the US in a World Cup game since that famous 1950 game. The way the announcer phrased it was horrible. He meant the US has only had 1 clean sheet since the 1-0 game in 1950.
P.S. I'm actually glad I didn't see the game until the replay, with my only knowledge of it being that there was controversy. If I had seen it live, I would have broken my television and caused quite a bit of damage in my living room.
Some researchers or smart people should really get together and write a paper about this problem and solve this age-old dilemma for like 5+ sports.Judderman said:
The "human element" is such a dumb argument. Referees missing calls is bad, making a call penalizing an innocent team is even worse. It harms the sport more than it helps.
The only rational argument against instant replay is the effect it'll have on the pace of a game. In basketball, they can review questionable 3-pointers in a room "up above" and adjust the score on the fly without disrupting the game at all, and they can also review for possession when it's under two minutes in the game. This is a good first step, and a decent compromise...balancing disruption to the game with how much is at stake.
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Right, like the pace wasn't already slowed down by the chaos after the ref fucked up.NoRéN said:
Oozer3993 said:
2-0 against Mexico in the Round of 16 in 2002. The only clean sheet for the US in a World Cup game since that famous 1950 game. The way the announcer phrased it was horrible. He meant the US has only had 1 clean sheet since the 1-0 game in 1950.
Holy crap...I can't believe I forgot that legendary game...dos a cero on the Asian continent! I hang my head in shame.
Still, the point still stands, 1 clean sheet, or 0 clean sheet, it's still a disturbing trend for the U.S.
Sarcasm is hard to detect through text.Squirrel Killer said:
:lol
Go re-read what i wrote. And, nice generalization.
Very true. Hopefully the US can go into the Algeria game inspired, organized, and ready to attack from kick-off.daoster said:
If it helps, it may not have been the world cup but,
3-1 loss to Italy
3-0 loss to Brazil
3-0 win against Egypt
Who did Algeria struggle to beat to make it into the world cup?
The US needed a specific result against Egypt. They went and got it. Kept organized both in defense and attack. We can do this! First clean sheet since '02. BELIEVE!
Herpes Reasons
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this is awesome news.NoRéN said:
only if the nba follows suit and fires shitty nba refs.
do you realize how many more championships LA would have won?
NoRéN said:
thank god. I feel bad for Americans because this was a big chance for the american public to get into the football atmosphere; an epic comeback win, but instead they got to witness the worst part of the game; lots of diving and bad fucking calls
Anyway, if it is any comfort, i have never seen the french commentators side so strongly with the US team (euros dont really like the integration of america into first class football). i think they are genuinely rooting for the US now because they really deserve to get out of their group {sharp contrast to the general sentimnet about french team
)Herpes Reasons
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lol no. the nba wants to maximize profits by extending series.NoRéN said:
and the refs are the bulldogs of Stern's iron fist.
as for replays. its only allowed after the final 2 minutes of the game, iirc.
lakers we're the aggressors.Clydefrog said:
one way to guage that is to see rebouding disparity.
lakers we're like 13+ in that department.
so that means naturally they'd get more calls called their way.
So, refs can fuck up big and still have a job next day?viakado said:
In soccer, FIFA evaluates all refs after the groups stage of the world cup. The top refs(least blown calls, least mistakes, allowed the game to flow, etc) stay for the elimination round games. The terrible refs are sent home. However, FIFA does not punish them for bad calls and they are not even required to comment on games and ref decisions after they have ben made. In the case of the Mali ref that screwed US, we may never ever hear from his mouth what it is that he saw that caused him to disallow the goal.
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Help us find this #USMNT fan from #USA v. #SVN .
Help them find this superfan. I mean, how many of us did not feel that way?!
Help us find this #USMNT fan from #USA v. #SVN .
Help them find this superfan. I mean, how many of us did not feel that way?!
timetokill
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NoRéN said:
Being American and proud of it = arrogance
True story.
I've met tourists that have said that the fact that we have so many American flags flying in our country (at restaurants, on factories, etc.) is "scary"
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Slizz said:
The coverage starts at 9:30am EST right? Someone posted that it started at 7:30am, but I'm guessing they meant PST and put the wrong timezone?
sneakypete
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Slizz said:
Thanks, thought this was the case but just wanted someone to verify.
:loltimetokill said:
Being an L.A. resident since very little, it surprises me the negative attitude towards american patriotism...but, go around waving a mexican flag, shutting down streets to parade and blow loud horns and play loud music, jaywalk, rev engines, etc because mexico won a game, perfectly fine. :lol
had to bail out of the WC thread. Great representaion of our World members. Isn't this a US based forum?
Looked up Joey Crawford...wtf!!!!!
If we get out of the group, then we're all the better for the controversy, really. For one, it's made us Americans actually get ANGRY and emotional over a game of soccer, one that was also very exciting and engaging. If we still move on out of the group (which I think we will), that will be seen over here as a big overcoming of the odds, which really is what America as a concept is all about.nilbog21 said:thank god. I feel bad for Americans because this was a big chance for the american public to get into the football atmosphere; an epic comeback win, but instead they got to witness the worst part of the game; lots of diving and bad fucking calls
Anyway, if it is any comfort, i have never seen the french commentators side so strongly with the US team (euros dont really like the integration of america into first class football). i think they are genuinely rooting for the US now because they really deserve to get out of their group {sharp contrast to the general sentimnet about french team
We'll have gotten angry and excited, overcome a huge hurdle, and moved on to join the football elite in the knockout stages. We'll have made an exciting comeback to win a draw against England, an exciting comeback in a game that we should have won against Slovenia, and, despite the fact that we're already in qualifying position right now, it would be perceived as an exciting comeback overall if we make it to the Round of 16.
All we have to do is not lose to Algeria (we don't even HAVE to beat them, though we really should to give ourselves the best chance and close the possibility of missing out).
And quite frankly, if we do lose to Algeria, we don't deserve to be a part of the Round of 16 anyway. That's the kind of game that, if we want to pretend we belong with the big boys, we need to come out and win (or at least not lose
) like a big boy. So really, it doesn't actually matter all that much whether Edu's goal counted or not. If we make it through, we will have earned our way, and the world had better be on notice, especially with the way some of the European powers have performed thus far. If we don't make it through, we will probably have deserved to not make it.It's been great to ee the uproar in media and among people who could not even care about the sport. Soccer on the front pages!!! It's great!MetatronM said:
As for the bold part, Donovan said something to that tune in an interview. If the US cannot make it out of the group then they do not deserve to be there anyway. Simple as that.
That's what the U.S. said against Ghana though. :/
Would love for the U.S. to revenge Ghana. Don't like that team and I think the U.S. could beat them save giving up a bailout penalty that Ghana relies upon for their entire offense. Serbia or Germany would be tough but I wouldn't mind revenging 2002 either.
Would love for the U.S. to revenge Ghana. Don't like that team and I think the U.S. could beat them save giving up a bailout penalty that Ghana relies upon for their entire offense. Serbia or Germany would be tough but I wouldn't mind revenging 2002 either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDcHlbkC38E
Here's the best link ( :-( ) I could find of it. The fan's reaction is at 1:07, guy in red sweater. Wish I had a better link.
Here's the best link ( :-( ) I could find of it. The fan's reaction is at 1:07, guy in red sweater. Wish I had a better link.
Korey said:
Corrupt is a little strong isn't it? While he definitely is incompetent as a ref and a human being...I don't particularly think he was a corrupt ref. Bad calls, like it or not, are an unfortunate part of this game, and until Sepp and the rest of FIFA are willing to look at technology that would prevent this (or make some changes), we're stuck. But we know that won't happen anytime soon, FIFA are too busy arresting hot Netherlands girls for advertising for beers that are probably better than Budweiser.
And anyways, it doesn't matter if we deserved it or not, it doesn't matter whether we earned it or not...at the end of the day, we get the hands we're dealt with, and the USA should look past the fluffed called and focus on the positives (and our weaknesses) and just bang out the last 3 points...onward HO!
We don't want to get hung up on that bad call forever, lest we want to enter into some self destructive cycle like the English are in.
AstroLad said:
I would love to exact revenge on Germany for 2002...it'd be a great challenge for us. We would probably have a better chance with Ghana, but Germany would probably be a bigger headline for the sport in the U.S. Either way, the round of 16 should be interesting for us, if (and when) we get in.
I don't assume anything, but there's speculation that the ref was paid off, or that he is personally biased against the US. I wouldn't be surprised, but since we'll probably never know for sure, I wrote "corrupt or incompetent".daoster said:
Anyways, I was just responding to what Donovan said: "If the US cannot make it out of the group then they do not deserve to be there anyway." At this point making it out of the group doesn't really have to do with deserving it or not.
I don't really have anything to say on the bad call. It is what it is. Teams get screwed all the time, and it's not the first time it's happened to us. Time to sack up and move forward.
What do people think about Algeria? I watched both their opening round games, and I see them as being a mixed bad when it comes to our chances against them. They looked very poor against Slovenia (and Slovenia looked poor against them) but I think that may have been a combination of opening game jitters and the way the teams matched up against each other, since both teams looked far better in their second games.
In the England match in particular, Algeria's formation was very problematic for the English. They alternated between playing a 3-5-2 and 5-4-1, and really congested the area in the middle of the field between the top of their penalty area and 40 yards out. England, to their discredit, played directly into their hand, throwing themselves time after time straight into the teeth of the Algerian defense.
Everyone who understands basic tactics in this sport understands that the way to beat this formation is to advance the ball quickly down the wings before the wide midfielders can get back to defend. This pulls the back 3 out of shape and opens space for your forwards and central midfielders to make runs into the box. England almost never attacked down the right flank, and I can't think of a single time they even attempted a serious attack on the left. Gerrard kept drifting centrally, and Cole was too late in getting upfield to provide the width needed to unbalance them. As a result, the back 3 drifted further and further to England's right side as the match went on, further nullifying any threat Lennon and later Wright-Phillips would be able to muster.
As an American fan this worries me, as we play a very similar formation to what England played last night. Dempsey, like Gerrard, is listed on the lineup card as the left midfielder, but he really tends to play more centrally, almost never offering a credible threat on the flank. We occasionally got movement down the left from Findley in the first two matches, but he's out on cards.
Hopefully, we can find a way to attack their weak flanks to generate some offense. We're not going to be able to walk the ball up the middle of the field if England was unable to do it. England is, quite frankly, better than us at it. Donovan and Cherundolo should be able to provide a threat on the right, along with keeping Belhadj (who was outstanding vs England) out of the Algerian attack. But what to do on the left?
I know DaMarcus Beasley hasn't been his old self in quite a while, but this is the one match in this tournament that could justify his inclusion on the roster. I've seen him single-handedly destroy a 3-man back line with his off-the-ball movement in the past. Another option is playing Torres out there. He's a natural lefty, but his instincts, like Dempsey's, are more to move centrally from the flank. He also had a pretty poor game against Slovenia.
Unfortunately, I don't see a really great option out there on our roster. Even more troubling is the fact that Bob Bradley's teams always struggled against the 3-5-2 when he was a coach in MLS.
I think our best hope is going to be to score on a set piece, or hope that Algeria change their tactics for this game, knowing that a draw does them no good.
Will we at least be able to wear our white shirts for this one?
What do people think about Algeria? I watched both their opening round games, and I see them as being a mixed bad when it comes to our chances against them. They looked very poor against Slovenia (and Slovenia looked poor against them) but I think that may have been a combination of opening game jitters and the way the teams matched up against each other, since both teams looked far better in their second games.
In the England match in particular, Algeria's formation was very problematic for the English. They alternated between playing a 3-5-2 and 5-4-1, and really congested the area in the middle of the field between the top of their penalty area and 40 yards out. England, to their discredit, played directly into their hand, throwing themselves time after time straight into the teeth of the Algerian defense.
Everyone who understands basic tactics in this sport understands that the way to beat this formation is to advance the ball quickly down the wings before the wide midfielders can get back to defend. This pulls the back 3 out of shape and opens space for your forwards and central midfielders to make runs into the box. England almost never attacked down the right flank, and I can't think of a single time they even attempted a serious attack on the left. Gerrard kept drifting centrally, and Cole was too late in getting upfield to provide the width needed to unbalance them. As a result, the back 3 drifted further and further to England's right side as the match went on, further nullifying any threat Lennon and later Wright-Phillips would be able to muster.
As an American fan this worries me, as we play a very similar formation to what England played last night. Dempsey, like Gerrard, is listed on the lineup card as the left midfielder, but he really tends to play more centrally, almost never offering a credible threat on the flank. We occasionally got movement down the left from Findley in the first two matches, but he's out on cards.
Hopefully, we can find a way to attack their weak flanks to generate some offense. We're not going to be able to walk the ball up the middle of the field if England was unable to do it. England is, quite frankly, better than us at it. Donovan and Cherundolo should be able to provide a threat on the right, along with keeping Belhadj (who was outstanding vs England) out of the Algerian attack. But what to do on the left?
I know DaMarcus Beasley hasn't been his old self in quite a while, but this is the one match in this tournament that could justify his inclusion on the roster. I've seen him single-handedly destroy a 3-man back line with his off-the-ball movement in the past. Another option is playing Torres out there. He's a natural lefty, but his instincts, like Dempsey's, are more to move centrally from the flank. He also had a pretty poor game against Slovenia.
Unfortunately, I don't see a really great option out there on our roster. Even more troubling is the fact that Bob Bradley's teams always struggled against the 3-5-2 when he was a coach in MLS.
I think our best hope is going to be to score on a set piece, or hope that Algeria change their tactics for this game, knowing that a draw does them no good.
Will we at least be able to wear our white shirts for this one?
Yup, good post.daoster said:
Incompetent was the better of the two words.
as for Sepp Blatter doing anything, ain't gonna happen. I mean, this is the saem guy that told the ladies something along the lines of if they wore sexier uniforms, women's soccer would be more popular. :lol
As long as Brazil, Spain, Italy, and Germany and making it far, all is well for FIFA.
It sucked but we have to put that past us and move on.
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