Used market cost Heavy Rain 1m sales
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ClovingWestbrook
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Lol wut? Hahahajgminto said:
duckroll said:
Takes some serious skill to get under duckrolls skin. Epic thread.
But wow at that article linked. Sooo good.
http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/used-video-games-the-new-software-piracy
Lol, wow.
CadetMahoney
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lolLyphen said:
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Billychu said:
Oh yeah, lol^^ My mistake.
Shadow of the BEAST
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He is right that the main reason used games market exist in the way it does is because of games price.
New releases are simply to expensive.
You dont see big chain stores(i even heard wlmart) selling used dvds or books. Thats because they are priced right.
If they want to get rid of used games sales they need to lower the price on new releases. Id say around 30 bucks, which is about the average price of a tv-series boxset.
Anyway here in northern europe. Used games only make sense if you trade in your old games, if you pay cash used games sold at game/gamestop actually cost more than the same game new at another retail outlet. I almost never buy used games in stores.
New releases are simply to expensive.
You dont see big chain stores(i even heard wlmart) selling used dvds or books. Thats because they are priced right.
If they want to get rid of used games sales they need to lower the price on new releases. Id say around 30 bucks, which is about the average price of a tv-series boxset.
Anyway here in northern europe. Used games only make sense if you trade in your old games, if you pay cash used games sold at game/gamestop actually cost more than the same game new at another retail outlet. I almost never buy used games in stores.
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Nix said:
The reluctant stance from publishers to adopt variable and more importantly reasonable pricing is their own fault. GameSTOP (lol) is taking advantage of that shortsighted policy and makes a shitload of money thanks to it.
infinityBCRT
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Did the used market cost them $1 million or did they keep the price of the game way too high for too long? I support the use of online/dlc passes to fight against used game sales, but you also need to be aggressive with your pricing. Ubisoft gets this which is why Assassin's Creed is such a massive seller despite it not being a bro game.
I wonder why these people always leave out of their equations the number of people that bought their games because they were able to sell or trade older games. I know the number of my purchases would cut in half if I didn't have trade in credits at Amazon or have the ability to sell my games.
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Shadow of the BEAST said:
Fun Fact, I only use Gamestop to get rid of very bad games in my collection that no sane person would buy, not even used. I even got 5 bucks for Perfect Dark Zero. I allready feared, they might charge me for accepting it^^ lol.
boris feinbrand said:
It's not about legality though. It's about "do I bite the hand that feeds" and clearly gamestop does that without having to fear repercussions, because publishers at this time are just as dependent on gamestop as they are on them. They are in a weird stalemate where nobody can move.
Like the hat?
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if games were $29.99 or less, I would never buy a used game again, unless it was something that was no longer available in stores (previous gen games, etc)
Electivirus
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Briarios said:
Same here. A good two-thirds of the new games I own, I wouldn't have if not for the ability to trade in the my shit.
When Hitchcock did it, it might have been a MacGuffin. What we had in Heavy Rain was, I believe, a 'fuckup'.coopolon said:
I can't believe that's his actual explanation. I think I'd have been happier if he'd said "Oh shit, that thing! Oh, yeah, we totally forgot to tie up that loose end. Sorry!".
Ken Masters
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Danielsan said:
what? so if someone were to illegally DL a new Kanye West album and he said people were DLing his album, would you cry that it was our album also?
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Gustav said:
No, they aren't really. Gamestop makes money like crazy because publishers are too stupid and rigid to understand that with a more variable pricing structure, a better value proposition, they could control the market by good will, instead of trying to control the market with such questionable actions.
Gamestop is offering a service that consumers apreciate and sometimes even need to be able to afford gaming. Publishers are mostly too short sighted to even realize that it is their arrogant behaviour and stupid pricing policy that makes this business model possible for Gamestop.
Ken Masters said:
You misread, he took offense at this guy acting as if he made the game. As if it was his creation, rather than being a team effort.
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Gustav said:
Depends on the condition really. A huge problem with current used games is that thanks to optical discs, you have to be really on your toes about buying a game used (condition of the disc for example), and in that case paying 5 bucks more for a new and sealed game would give a lot of buyers the safety of knowing that the copy is going to work.
Electivirus
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boris feinbrand said:
Also true. Personally, I've only encountered 1-2 situations in my gaming career where my used copies didn't work or were otherwise gimped in some way. In hindsight, I definitely would've paid a bit more for that peace of mind. Otherwise, my local Gamestops are pretty good about making sure that their used copies all work flawlessly.
Auto_aim1
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People who got the game used were never going to buy it new in most cases. At least, his 'game' got more exposure. Being a new IP, its perfectly reasonable to think that people will be hesitant to pay full price. He should be satisfied with 2 million, and I think based on the quality of the game, it did a lot better than it should've commercially. At one point they weren't even expecting to sell that much.
What a bunch of ungrateful people.
plagiarize
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erm, or, we could just leave game trades the way they are, and stop pretending that Heavy Rain wasn't a sales success.Gustav said:
i wonder what percentage of money spent on new copies of Heavy Rain came from games traded in towards it?
not a million copies worth, but it'd absolutely pull that figure down.
It's strange how Quantic Dream started off with making The Nomad Soul, a game that could genuinely be considered good, then followed that up with two markedly inferior products.
Whereas you'd expect any developer to get better at their chosen profession, David Cage and company seem to be getting progressively worse.
Whereas you'd expect any developer to get better at their chosen profession, David Cage and company seem to be getting progressively worse.
zero margin
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I don't ever buy games full retail anymore, usually not before they drop at least $20. Not even AAA titles much less games like HR. Many people are going this route more than ever it appears as well.
Gustav said:
Great, more hyperbole. No, the math from the douche interviewed in the OP (2 million copies sold, 3 million players) shows that most of them will, in fact, not be traded in.
And it's completely and utterly irrelevant to boot. Even if 2 billion people illegally downlads and plays HR for free, never mind completely legal lending and second hand purchases, 2 million copies sold still makes it a viable product.
lucius
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I bought it used and enjoyed it, I don't feel bad, I bought the DLC and would likely buy thier next game. I just wasn't interested in it when it first came out, but I heard pretty good things about it (outside of GAF) so gave it a shot used, even replaying it again with Move having fun, this time trying not to let one of the characters die.
Adam Prime
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I bought my game Used and then sold it after I was done. So nice to contribute to his 1 million!
... What else are you supposed to do with a game like Heavy Rain after beating it? Didn't David Cage say that he only wanted you to play through the game once?
I wonder how many sales were lost in the NES/SNES era before developers actually put replay systems into their games?
... What else are you supposed to do with a game like Heavy Rain after beating it? Didn't David Cage say that he only wanted you to play through the game once?
I wonder how many sales were lost in the NES/SNES era before developers actually put replay systems into their games?
Diprosalic
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i borrowed HR from a friend but his next game i won't be playing at all. so Mr. Cage loses less money, somehow.
Heavy Rain is both my most regretted purchase and most regretted play-through this generation.
Constant freezing problems, buggy controls, creepy bad voice acting, nightmare faces, oh and the only thing the "game" had was a story...which ended up being written worse than a below average soap opera.
The chorus of games press to circle jerk about this game was also embarrassing, hope they never make another "game".
Nonsense, at least at gamestop you have a week if to get full refund if a disc has an issue, or you could just look at it before buying. Also amazon has great return policies with this sort of issue. Goozex/ebay though you are pretty much fucked.
Constant freezing problems, buggy controls, creepy bad voice acting, nightmare faces, oh and the only thing the "game" had was a story...which ended up being written worse than a below average soap opera.
The chorus of games press to circle jerk about this game was also embarrassing, hope they never make another "game".
boris feinbrand said:
Nonsense, at least at gamestop you have a week if to get full refund if a disc has an issue, or you could just look at it before buying. Also amazon has great return policies with this sort of issue. Goozex/ebay though you are pretty much fucked.
Shadow of the BEAST
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Its funny that so many cant see the other side at all.
The problem here isnt that people lend their games, sell their games on ebay or give them away.
The problem here is that it has become an whole industry. I mean as i understand in the usa, walmart and according to this thread best buy are selling used games.
Thats crazy, its like lidl or mediamarkt or whatever started selling used goods. Its fucking unheard of.
Clearly something is wrong here. And i actually agree with guillame that it is price that is the problem.
Btw im 100% pro physical copy and i hate the current dlc trend.
The problem here isnt that people lend their games, sell their games on ebay or give them away.
The problem here is that it has become an whole industry. I mean as i understand in the usa, walmart and according to this thread best buy are selling used games.
Thats crazy, its like lidl or mediamarkt or whatever started selling used goods. Its fucking unheard of.
Clearly something is wrong here. And i actually agree with guillame that it is price that is the problem.
Btw im 100% pro physical copy and i hate the current dlc trend.
Dude, shops selling second-hand goods is far from unheard of.Shadow of the BEAST said:
Hell, there was a couple of second-hand games shops in my area back in the mid 80's. I used to trade my Master System and C64 games there. The business may be bigger nowadays but that's a reflection of the industry, not the act of selling games second hand.