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[Verge] Microsoft is combining ‘the best of Xbox and Windows together’ for handhelds

Topher

Identifies as young
Microsoft’s VP of ‘Next Generation’ says changes are coming this year.

Xbox chief Phil Spencer has been dropping hints about an Xbox handheld for months, but what about Windows handheld gaming PCs? Jason Ronald, Microsoft’s VP of “Next Generation,” tells The Verge that we should expect to see the Windows handheld gaming experience change within this calendar year.

Ronald was a roundtable panelist this evening at an AMD and Lenovo event titled “The Future of Gaming Handhelds,” which was mostly a coming-out party for Lenovo’s new Legion Go S. But he did hint on stage that Microsoft plans to bring the Xbox experience to Windows PCs, rather than the other way around — and expanded on that considerably after we caught up with him later.

“We’ve been really innovating for a long time in the console space, and as we partner across the industry it’s really about how do we bring those innovations that we’ve incubated and developed in the console space and bring them to PC and bring them to the handheld gaming space,” said Ronald.

After we caught up with him after the event, he confirmed that Microsoft is looking at combining Xbox and Windows experiences together — and that we should see changes this very year, rather than needing to wait for an Xbox handheld that might still be years away.

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“I would say it’s bringing the best of Xbox and Windows together, because we have spent the last 20 years building a world-class operating system, but it’s really locked to the console,” says Ronald. “What we’re doing is we’re really focused on how do we bring those experiences for both players and developers to the broader Windows ecosystem.”

Right now, Windows sucks on handhelds, to put it rather bluntly, to the point that a community-created fork of Valve’s SteamOS experience can be a far better way to pick up and play games. Ronald is clearly aware of the issues. “We’re focused on really simplifying that and making it much more like a console experience. Our goal is to put the player and their library at the center of the experience and not all the [Windows] work that you have to do today.”

Microsoft has done compact modes for Xbox apps on Windows that are focused on improving the handheld experience, but it’s a lot like putting lipstick on a pig instead of addressing the core experience. “I think we’ll have a lot more to share later this year,” teases Ronald. “I think it’s going to be a journey and I think you’ll see a lot of investments over time that you’re starting to see already, but we’ll have a lot more to share later this year.”

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How Microsoft goes about this merging of Xbox and Windows will be key, but it doesn’t sound like the company is suddenly going to port a custom Xbox operating system to Windows. It sounds more like Microsoft wants to make Windows all up better at gaming with an Xbox experience on top so the pesky desktop, notifications, and legacy of Windows is hidden away.

“I think, at the end of the day, our goal is to make Windows great for gaming on any device,” says Ronald. “The reality is the Xbox operating system is built on top of Windows. So there’s a lot of infrastructure that we built in the console space that we can bring to the PC space and really deliver that premium gaming experience on any device.”

Specifically, Microsoft has to tackle a lot of the very basics of making Windows more friendly to controllers and getting that Xbox experience to really drive things instead of the taskbar, Start menu, and other elements. “There’s just certain things in Windows that were not designed for if you don’t have a keyboard and mouse, like thumbstick support or joypads and stuff like that,” Ronald admits.

“There’s fundamental interaction models that we’re working on to make sure that regardless of the operating system details it feels very natively like a gaming-centric device and a gaming-centric experience.”

Ronald says the goal is to put an Xbox experience at the center — “not the Windows desktop that you have today.”



The Little Mermaid Disney GIF
 
I thought that Ronald guy was gone from Microsoft, I guess not.

I see he's become even more wizard like in his appearance. Why are there so many flamboyant weirdos as the face of tech company products? NVIDIA guy yesterday was a hoot.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Right now, Windows sucks on handhelds, to put it rather bluntly, to the point that a community-created fork of Valve’s SteamOS experience can be a far better way to pick up and play games. Ronald is clearly aware of the issues. “We’re focused on really simplifying that and making it much more like a console experience. Our goal is to put the player and their library at the center of the experience and not all the [Windows] work that you have to do today.”

Sounds like any hypothetical Windows based handheld would have a simplified version of Windows minus the bloat.

Exactly what people seem to want from it. 🤷‍♂️
 

Brucey

Member
Sounds like any hypothetical Windows based handheld would have a simplified version of Windows minus the bloat.

Exactly what people seem to want from it. 🤷‍♂️
Except that's not what it is:

"How Microsoft goes about this merging of Xbox and Windows will be key, but it doesn’t sound like the company is suddenly going to port a custom Xbox operating system to Windows. It sounds more like Microsoft wants to make Windows all up better at gaming with an Xbox experience on top so the pesky desktop, notifications, and legacy of Windows is hidden away."
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Except that's not what it is:

"How Microsoft goes about this merging of Xbox and Windows will be key, but it doesn’t sound like the company is suddenly going to port a custom Xbox operating system to Windows. It sounds more like Microsoft wants to make Windows all up better at gaming with an Xbox experience on top so the pesky desktop, notifications, and legacy of Windows is hidden away."

I'm not focusing on Tom's hypothesis, the direct quotes from Ronald make it sound like they're aware of why/how Win 11 as it is, is not the best on handhelds and are, or will, work on it.

Ronald is clearly aware of the issues. “We’re focused on really simplifying that and making it much more like a console experience. Our goal is to put the player and their library at the center of the experience and not all the [Windows] work that you have to do today.”
“There’s fundamental interaction models that we’re working on to make sure that regardless of the operating system details it feels very natively like a gaming-centric device and a gaming-centric experience.”
 

LectureMaster

Gold Member
Microsoft’s VP of ‘Next Generation’ says changes are coming this year.

Xbox chief Phil Spencer has been dropping hints about an Xbox handheld for months, but what about Windows handheld gaming PCs? Jason Ronald, Microsoft’s VP of “Next Generation,” tells The Verge that we should expect to see the Windows handheld gaming experience change within this calendar year.

Ronald was a roundtable panelist this evening at an AMD and Lenovo event titled “The Future of Gaming Handhelds,” which was mostly a coming-out party for Lenovo’s new Legion Go S. But he did hint on stage that Microsoft plans to bring the Xbox experience to Windows PCs, rather than the other way around — and expanded on that considerably after we caught up with him later.

“We’ve been really innovating for a long time in the console space, and as we partner across the industry it’s really about how do we bring those innovations that we’ve incubated and developed in the console space and bring them to PC and bring them to the handheld gaming space,” said Ronald.

After we caught up with him after the event, he confirmed that Microsoft is looking at combining Xbox and Windows experiences together — and that we should see changes this very year, rather than needing to wait for an Xbox handheld that might still be years away.

IMG_2539__1_.jpg


“I would say it’s bringing the best of Xbox and Windows together, because we have spent the last 20 years building a world-class operating system, but it’s really locked to the console,” says Ronald. “What we’re doing is we’re really focused on how do we bring those experiences for both players and developers to the broader Windows ecosystem.”

Right now, Windows sucks on handhelds, to put it rather bluntly, to the point that a community-created fork of Valve’s SteamOS experience can be a far better way to pick up and play games. Ronald is clearly aware of the issues. “We’re focused on really simplifying that and making it much more like a console experience. Our goal is to put the player and their library at the center of the experience and not all the [Windows] work that you have to do today.”

Microsoft has done compact modes for Xbox apps on Windows that are focused on improving the handheld experience, but it’s a lot like putting lipstick on a pig instead of addressing the core experience. “I think we’ll have a lot more to share later this year,” teases Ronald. “I think it’s going to be a journey and I think you’ll see a lot of investments over time that you’re starting to see already, but we’ll have a lot more to share later this year.”

rogallyxboxapp_twarren.jpg


How Microsoft goes about this merging of Xbox and Windows will be key, but it doesn’t sound like the company is suddenly going to port a custom Xbox operating system to Windows. It sounds more like Microsoft wants to make Windows all up better at gaming with an Xbox experience on top so the pesky desktop, notifications, and legacy of Windows is hidden away.

“I think, at the end of the day, our goal is to make Windows great for gaming on any device,” says Ronald. “The reality is the Xbox operating system is built on top of Windows. So there’s a lot of infrastructure that we built in the console space that we can bring to the PC space and really deliver that premium gaming experience on any device.”

Specifically, Microsoft has to tackle a lot of the very basics of making Windows more friendly to controllers and getting that Xbox experience to really drive things instead of the taskbar, Start menu, and other elements. “There’s just certain things in Windows that were not designed for if you don’t have a keyboard and mouse, like thumbstick support or joypads and stuff like that,” Ronald admits.

“There’s fundamental interaction models that we’re working on to make sure that regardless of the operating system details it feels very natively like a gaming-centric device and a gaming-centric experience.”

Ronald says the goal is to put an Xbox experience at the center — “not the Windows desktop that you have today.”



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Curious to see how this pans out, since SteamOS gets a lot right.

MS hardware design (barring the launch Xbox One) has always been competitive IMO, it’s just the software side that’s been dropping the ball.
 

foamdino

Member
From the write up it sounds like this will be yet another layer on top of a windows kernel/shell - so not a replacement, additive (ie more bloat).

Let's see what actually happens, I don't trust the writer to be technically competent enough to write about the details.
 

Det

Member
Jason Ronald, the idiot who made the potato S and accused Cerny of having made a console with inflated and fake teraflops that would make life difficult for those who make games?

Well, anyway I wouldn't have the stomach to have a clown like Phill Spencer doing stupid things and still have to say "that's a good idea boss"
At least as a kiss-ass he justifies his salary.

What amazes me is that the shit the idiots at MS do never stick with them.
They only become known for the shit they do after they are fired (Matrick) and his successor (Phill) blames his predecessor

I hope that if any OEM partner decides to invest in Jason Ronald's ideas, they will do so knowing about the fiasco that was Potato S and the load of shit that Jason did and accused Cerny of having done.
 
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Barakov

Member
I though that Jason Ronald guy had glued a fake beard to his chin. But it's real. :messenger_hushed: Why???

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It's worse than that. One side of the beard is whiter than the other and it's driving me nuts.
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Also those stray hairs sticking of both sides of the beard are asking to be ripped out. He needs to comb that abomination growing out of his face or just cut/shave it off.
 

EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
The deepest of lolz, remember when this was just a um...."rurmor"?

Can MS even be trusted for anyone to invest in something like this? To abandon shit like Zune, Windows Phone and fuck even XB, only to be like "ok, trust us with handhelds folks" is some wild shit.

He's the "VP of Next Gen" or something like that

The fact that is their role and they are talking about handhelds speaks volumes for the future of XB.
 

Jinzo Prime

Member
It's worse than that. One side of the beard is whiter than the other and it's driving me nuts.
UvLclG3.jpeg

Also those stray hairs sticking of both sides of the beard are asking to be ripped out. He needs to comb that abomination growing out of his face or just cut/shave it off.
It's the lack of a moustache that gets me. The whole thing looks so nasty.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
The deepest of lolz, remember when this was just a um...."rurmor"?

Can MS even be trusted for anyone to invest in something like this? To abandon shit like Zune, Windows Phone and fuck even XB, only to be like "ok, trust us with handhelds folks" is some wild shit.



The fact that is their role and they are talking about handhelds speaks volumes for the future of XB.
Yeah. He is not even "VP of Xbox Hardware." He is "VP of Next-Gen" which is so hilariously bullshit 😂
 

Fess

Member
It's worse than that. One side of the beard is whiter than the other and it's driving me nuts.
UvLclG3.jpeg

Also those stray hairs sticking of both sides of the beard are asking to be ripped out. He needs to comb that abomination growing out of his face or just cut/shave it off.
?
He’s aging, one side is turning more gray than the other, is he supposed to color his beard or what? And I’m sure he’s doing all kinds of work on the beard already to have a long beard like that fairly controlled. I have a beard half that size and it’s already a lot of work every morning to tame that beast so it doesn’t make me look like a homeless person.
 
Can MS even be trusted for anyone to invest in something like this? To abandon shit like Zune, Windows Phone and fuck even XB, only to be like "ok, trust us with handhelds folks" is some wild shit.
Then the handheld will be a necessary sacrifice so that they will move forward with this Console-PC OS Merge.
 

Fess

Member
Guess I’m in the minority here, but I welcome more handheld options and possible innovation. As much as I love my steam deck, having a good native windows handheld without the bloat would be incredible.

Ya I know it’s Microsoft, but who cares? If it sucks, then we don’t buy it.
I just want all this for my living room PC.

I currently boot it in Steam big picture mode, controller only. And 99,8% of the time it’s great!

But then there is that 0.1% when a dialog box pop up just as I try to start a game and I have to take out a keyboard or mouse just to close it. You can also hold the Xbox button and control the mouse pointer with the analog stick, but if you hold down the Xbox button too long it powers off the controller…..

Then the last 0.1% is about when a game is in another launcher. Then you have to either start another launcher, that might not even have controller support, or insert the game into Steam and it won’t show your play time or achievements and won’t be found under the usual installed tab and you’ll have to edit things to have game library art.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I'm not focusing on Tom's hypothesis, the direct quotes from Ronald make it sound like they're aware of why/how Win 11 as it is, is not the best on handhelds and are, or will, work on it.
Feels and Vibes (the summary from Ronald), yes, the true harbingers of major Windows re-engineering for better gaming systems ;).
 
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