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[sTeLioSco]

It might require the disc to play, like old PC games. But yeah, most likely it will need an activation code rendering the disc useless (unless you buy another code).

and after a while you start deleting and reinstalling games?
hard drives are not Infinite

 

[onQ123]

Always online?
Ehhh, not really like but not a deal breaker.

Games required to be installed?
Sweet, I install all mine anyway.

Kinect required to be plugged in?
FUCK OFF!

MS really wants me to be PS4 only this gen.

Things might not be much different on the PS4.

 

[RoboPlato]

At least the controller is changing. Thank Mars for that.
Kinect being packed in, bleh. They're both packing in stupid cameras.

Always connected...
At least the controller is changing. Thank Mars for that.

Kinect being packed in, bleh. They're both packing in stupid cameras.

Always connected...
At least the controller is changing. Thank Mars for that. Will be nice for PC gaming.

I'm looking forward to whatever controller Oculus is working on. That company does not fuck around when recognizing what is important to gaming. Controller elegance is not nearly as important as ergonomics and functionality. I can almost guarantee button placement will be vastly superior to the shitsipping controllers we have now. When you can't see your hand the buttons must be placed in reasonable positions.

This will be completely unacceptable when you can't see the controller. Finally! Change is coming. Let's see what you got, MS.

Who the hell holds a controller like that?

 

[fillup]

Always on always connected and only being able to play my games through the HDD rubs me in the wrong way.

Why? I actually like those features. Load times will be better that way. Just means when you turn it off, it goes into a low power state...but still connected so it will be able to download updates. Also instant on....no more waiting for the console to boot up.

I suspect the PS4 will be always on/always connected also.

 

[casablanca]

If this leaks are fake MS need to make a statement soon the bad press is very bad right now for Durango.
This is really disturbing.

 

[dragonelite]

... Does not mean it has to be always on(line)

after 25 min you get kicked unless we can find the java script methode to comment it out.

 

[Alx]

Always connected.....

to patch your game.

And your system... and your apps... actually didn't Sony announce something similar for the PS4 ? "the system will analyze your gaming habits and will download demos and games before you even ask for it".
It's not different from phones or OS having an auto-update feature.

 

[Confidence Man]

But the document mentions that the purpose of being always connected is to allow automatic updates. There's no mention of it being a requirement to play.

How are they going to authenticate that the games you have installed on the HDD are yours (i.e. activated for your account) when you go to play something?

 

[Glorified G]

The always on, always connected thing doesn't read like its an actual requirement at all

First Stage.

Denial.

 

[surly]

Always connected.....

to patch your game.

LOL. Come on man.

One of the features of PS+ is that the PS3 fires up at a set time to download updates for X number of recently played games, as well as any PS3 firmware updates. Why is it so unbelievable that Durango will do the same, except updates will just be rolled out whenever they're available, rather than checked for at a set time?

 

[giancarlo123x]

This info makes passing up the next Xbox even easier now.

 

[EatChildren]

1930's Disney animation studios were amazing.

 

[offshore]

If you don't you have to have the disc in the console for a disc check that will at least be one redeeming thing.

 

[Plinko]

EDGE wins again. So far they've been exactly right.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

- Always on, Always connected
don't care. My computer is always on and always connected when I am at home. Plus I have a smart phone also, that is always on and always connected....of course unless it's for DRM purposes. Then fuck you Microsoft

- Kinect sold with every console, wider FOV, no motors, better tracking
fuck you Microsoft

- Kinect is required to be plugged in
fuck you Microsoft. Thanks for making my decision easier.

Spoiler

god I hope all of this shit is old of bullshit....Microsoft can't be this fucking stupid.

 

[Router]

Nevermind the always online, I don't understand how Kinect + will be required to use the system. Some people's gaming setup, be it in their living room or bedroom, just doesn't allow the space for someone to stand up and wave at the camera. Or at least people are not willing to re configure their living space to use this device.

I hope the sensor is powerful enough so that people don't have to make these changes, or at least that it just has to be plugged in (but not used) to use all the features of the system.

I'd say it just has to be plugged in. Not necessarily used.

 

[ElFly]

And when you need too upgrade the HDD after 10-20 game installs, and need to reinstall you buy the game again? Don't play with your dog with the disc ;P ;P

Technically, if the disc had some kind of unique identifier, the xbox store could let you download another copy of the game as the disc is useless on another console.

Technically.

 

[RoboPlato]

Thats basically what its gonna be. The disc copies itself to your hdd, you play the content from there and then its either:

1. the disc needs to be in the tray to play your game, like some games this gen
2. the disc is registered to your account, eliminating used games

Ah, that makes sense. The disk being in the tray makes sense. Hopefully it's nothing more than that. I'd like it if PS4 did the same thing as well. I hate load times.

 

[TUSR]

Wait, no motors for the kinect sensor?

what

 

[MormaPope]

The always on, always connected thing doesn't read like its an actual requirement at all, more like the system has been designed to run that way power draw wise ( and for background downloadsmetc while in a low power state) rather than it being an absolute requirement.

I'm looking at that this way, if you needed to be connected to the internet to play games there would've been a DRM acknowledgment or such with how games are ran and played.

 

[markhimself46]

The required Kinect is definitely the worst takeaway from this, for me at least. Why is MS so set on pushing this thing?!

 

[Alec]

1930's Disney animation studios were amazing.

1080p 60fps A++

 

[XtremeXpider]

People must read the imagen, not only the list.

 

[brotkasten]

The SDK says Kinect is mandatory but it doesn't say an internet connection is mandatory, yet it talks about about always on?

 

[Plinko]

One of the features of PS+ is that the PS3 fires up at a set time to download updates for X number of recently played games, as well as any PS3 firmware updates. Why is it so unbelievable that Durango will do the same, except updates will just be rolled out whenever they're available, rather than checked for at a set time?

Because always online isn't required for PS Plus.

 

[Majanew]

Always needing to be online and Kinect having to always be plugged in, means MS can take Durango and shove it up their stupid asses.

If this turns out true, I really hope the next Xbox is a colossal failure.

 

[The Last One]

1930's Disney animation studios were amazing.

That's true. Imagine all the work needed to make this kind of animation at the time. Really amazing.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

Oh man, i cant wait to see MS's presentation for the new Xbox. I have a feeling it's going to rival the PS3's in terms of sheer lunacy.

 

[Robso]

I'm just an average man with an average life
I work from 9 to 5, hey, hell I pay the Durango's price
All I want is to be left alone playing my Gears of War
But why do I always feel like I'm in the Xbox Zone?

I always feel like MS is watchin' me
And I have no privacy
Oh, oh, oh, I always feel like MS is watchin' me
Tell me is it just a dream

When I come home at night
I bolt the door real tight
People send me a friend request I'm trying to avoid
Well, can the people on Xbox Live see me or am I just paranoid

When I'm in the shower, I'm afraid to wash my hair
‘Cause I might open my eyes and find Don Matrick standing there
People say I'm crazy, just a little touched
But maybe showers remind me of Bill Gates too much, that's why

I always feel like MS is watchin' me
And I have no privacy
Oh, oh, oh, I always feel like MS is watchin' me
Who's playin' tricks on me

 

[alr1ght]

All games required to be installed. Here is your 100GB base drive. Please upgrade to 500GB for the low price of $199.99.

 

[Hunter S.]

As an owner to the OG Xbox and 360 I would say say fuck no to those requirements.

 

[L1NETT]

Always kinected!

I have still yet to hear some good "leaks" about the nextbox. If even some of this is true, then I will seriously consider getting a PS4.

 

[Biggzy]

Wait, no motors for the kinect sensor?

what

It's wider FOV means that it is not necessary now.

 

[XtremeXpider]

The SDK says Kinect is mandatory but it doesn't say an internet connection is mandatory, yet it talks about about always on?

It say "always on", but it looks like "it can be always on, you will not need to wait for start up-login times".

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Things might not be much different on the PS4.

I can live with everything except Kinect. MS can go screw themselves if they they can force feed me that crap.

I don't think Sony's dual camera or whatever it is will be required or they would have spent time on it during the reveal. Guess we will all know at E3.

 

[Raide]

The SDK says Kinect is mandatory but it doesn't say an internet connection is mandatory, yet it talks about about always on?

Always connected but not actually used to authorize games. That is one way to possibly read it. Most people have devices that are always on.

 

[Zen]

If so.... it's actually happening huh?

If Microsoft goes through with this... wow.

 

[Striek]

Maybe the software suite will make you want to use Kinect and always be online.

Theres always a possibility.

 

[Pagusas]

At least the controller is changing. Thank Mars for that.
Kinect being packed in, bleh. They're both packing in stupid cameras.

Always connected...
At least the controller is changing. Thank Mars for that.

Kinect being packed in, bleh. They're both packing in stupid cameras.

Always connected...
At least the controller is changing. Thank Mars for that. Will be nice for PC gaming.

I'm looking forward to whatever controller Oculus is working on. That company does not fuck around when recognizing what is important to gaming. Controller elegance is not nearly as important as ergonomics and functionality. I can almost guarantee button placement will be vastly superior to the shitsipping controllers we have now. When you can't see your hand the buttons must be placed in reasonable positions.

This will be completely unacceptable when you can't see the controller. Finally! Change is coming. Let's see what you got, MS.

Who in the heck would hold a controller like that? Jesus that looks so uncomfortable, you are doing it wrong.

 

[Mithos]

2. the disc is registered to your account, eliminating used games

I didn't see that in the XDK description text posted here anywhere but if that ends up the case, nice knowing ya Microsoft.

Sure they probably get tons of developer support, but sales probably wont be that funny to look at.

 

[Kyoufu]

Gaming from the optical disc is not supported. Therefore, if I run out of fridge space, I'm fucked.

 

[Toki767]

It really seems kind of silly to render a disc completely useless once it's registered. You'd think they'd just have publishers sell activation codes or something instead.

 

[MormaPope]

To me it sounds like the Wii24/7 service, where the console was constantly checking for updates in idle mode, not an always online DRM.

But GAF loves to hate everything Durango related, so maybe I should join the apocalypse theories.

I bugged out and just bought 100 PS2's and 50 Xbox's, have a dozen Gamecubes, preserved of course. I'm going to use a phone line and a Dreamcast to play and communicate with the outside world.

 

[Router]

And your system... and your apps... actually didn't Sony announce something similar for the PS4 ? "the system will analyze your gaming habits and will download demos and games before you even ask for it".
It's not different from phones or OS having an auto-update feature.

Yeah but this is Microsoft so its JUST AWFUL.

 

[sangreal]

The SDK says Kinect is mandatory but it doesn't say an internet connection is mandatory, yet it talks about about always on?

always on/connected = running in a low-power state when turned off. Same as PS4. What people want to know is if you can play games without being connected but this doesn't really say. Based on other rumors, I would say no

 

[TUSR]

It's wider FOV means that it is not necessary now.

which is a good thing, I didnt even realize the first Kinect had drive motors and it scared the living piss out of me when it moved.

 

[PSGames]

Otherwise you could just rent or borrow games, install them and return the disk.

Yes but for this to work (code required for activation) would definitely mean no used games. How can you sell a code you've already used?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I'm not even trolling when I say this but I'm genuinely happy I'm not interested in the next Xbox console. Because if I was, all these rumours would sting. There's too much smoke for there not to be fiyahhhh.

 

[Dizzy-4U]

"Low latency controller"

I like this part.

 

[radioheadrule83]

*reads thread*
*assumptions, hyperbole, people proclaiming the end times, ps4 proponents enjoying themselves*

Yup!

*leaves threa....


Actually, I will say this. The docs for a development kit, even if this is real, do not necessarily reflect the full functionality of the final machine.

Curious as to how much storage this thing is coming with.

Thanks to knee-jerk reactions in this thread and others I am also looking forward to the final reveal. I am not sure what Microsoft has done to people to make them believe that the one manufacturer who has always had game license flexibility and online-service provision right, first time, is suddenly going to start fucking things up!