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WaPo: Trump recorded bragging about his fame letting him violate women in 2005
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Not sure but comparing calling someone a "loon' or "crazy" to actually admitting to sexual predatory behavior is laughable.
False equivalency.i have never said that it's comparable to what Trump said - all I said is that Hillary probably will have to apologize for going after those women the way she did.
No. Not like this.
It will set Clinton up to put a spotlight on his own infidelity and more recent sexual assault cases, which reinforce including this video. And it would be attacking her husband, not her. It won't go well.
This. It's telling that Trump thinks it's a great idea.
People are accusing her of bullying/threatening the victims of Bills affairs/possible rapes.
Maybe she could apologize but I wouldn't begrudge her to do so... again, Hillary Clinton was the victim in these situations. She didn't talk about how she wanted to openly sexually assault them. Bill Clinton paid the price for his transgressions.
QuantumZebra
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This.
She should be empathized and sympathized with, not held in a negative light for what Bill did
Bill was the bad guy here, tho. Those women didn't not cheat on her, it was him. And it's poor form to go after them.
Yeah, this is the aspect of this that folks are forgetting. It's really, really important to actually answer questions in this format rather than trying to pivot to what someone who isn't even running did 20 years ago. This is the worst possible forum to try that line of attack. If Trump has anyone other than yes-men surrounding him now they are desperately trying to convince him not to go there.
You're right - it is pretty revolting.
Dash_Riprock
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I thought his 90 second "apology" confirmed he's surrounded by nothing but sycophants.
Imperfected
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Not to sound like a prostitute, but his weird focus on "kissing" is what makes it weird to me. Probably because it means he doesn't even begin to comprehend how gross and unwanted his behavior is, and pictures it as being somehow analogous to romance and human intimacy in his diseased brain.
Like, at least when someone's projecting a thug persona and talking about what a sleazy shit they are they don't cap it off with, "I'mma get me some smooches too, and tickle those ribs girl."
Samurai G0SU
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Holy fuck is he hugging a teenage girl! (12yr old paris hilton)
RPGCrazied
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Yes men and enablers is more like it.
I think the Republicans might still recover but they need to tow a fine line. Part of the reason Trump was so competitive was because initially he was competing with 16 other people in the primaries all siphoning votes from each other. It gave the crazies (and people that didn't fully see what Trump was) way too much power and Trump kept winning with pluralities.
If they're going to have an establishment candidate, they need to have only one or else they're going to find themselves in a similar scenario to this one. And the base that could elect a candidate like Trump to the White House, is thinning every year. I mean look what the dems did, they all pulled behind Clinton as the establishment pick and Sanders was the maverick and it was a much more interesting competition and a lot of people could've lived with both candidates. GOP had like 10+ candidates on a debate stage, ridiculous.
They'll also have to veer to the center in a lot of their policies if they want a future in America on the national stage. Alienating minorities and millennials is not going to do them any favors at all. Don't know how they push out the crazies, but they need to figure out how to control them for sure. Having a thinner field will help with that. Include a superdelegate like system too. They clearly need it more than the Democrats.
If they're going to have an establishment candidate, they need to have only one or else they're going to find themselves in a similar scenario to this one. And the base that could elect a candidate like Trump to the White House, is thinning every year. I mean look what the dems did, they all pulled behind Clinton as the establishment pick and Sanders was the maverick and it was a much more interesting competition and a lot of people could've lived with both candidates. GOP had like 10+ candidates on a debate stage, ridiculous.
They'll also have to veer to the center in a lot of their policies if they want a future in America on the national stage. Alienating minorities and millennials is not going to do them any favors at all. Don't know how they push out the crazies, but they need to figure out how to control them for sure. Having a thinner field will help with that. Include a superdelegate like system too. They clearly need it more than the Democrats.
Haloid1177
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Yeah um that's his daughter.
Lol. Do I have news for you. Better sit down.
deplorable even
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeah, Town Halls are when you're supposed to come off as reasonable and caring. Regular people ask you regular questions. What are the odds someone asks Trump a question about Bill Clinton? Like 0.005%. So Trump spinning a question into a rambling attack against Hillary for things her husband did won't play well. Zero chance of working out well. When I think about how this will go, the term "unmitigated disaster" springs to mind.
And even beyond that! Trump attacking Bill opens the door for Hillary to respond and lay out this recent scandal on the table. It's such a stupid move that I wouldn't be shocked it the Trump team attempts it
But Grizzly I heard Woman loved being blamed for the failings of their husbands....
A person isn't allowed to be angry at someone that fucks their spouse and then publicly attacks them? Hillary having choice words for these women (along with Bill) would be one the most human things she's ever done.
George Washington
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Okay, I hope that it won't mean much. The fact that people are still calling these two candidates equivalent is just mind-boggling. I understand that a person may not like Hillary for whatever reason and if you ignore all of the racist / sexist / xenophobic / etc. comments that Trump has made (not that you should, just for arguments sake), one fundamental issue still remains: Only one of these candidates is a serious threat for the security and stability of this country and the world: Trump
The people that support Trump seem to be living with the philosophy: "Burn it all down"
So what happens when you burn everything down? What happens when you deport everyone you don't like? What happens after you... If Trump is elected, the probability of the United States going to war is guaranteed. With which country / entity I can't foresee, but I guarantee that he will be the instigator of nuclear warfare.
I feel like this scene from Doctor Who is relevant and every Trump supporter should watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBv_lwQWxoM
A man who repeatedly asks why we don't use our nuclear arsenal is the most dangerous candidate to ever run for the office of president.
God help us all if he is elected.
TRUMP - Let me explain. Let me explain. Somebody hits us within ISIS  you wouldn't fight back with a nuke?
MATTHEWS: OK. The trouble is, when you said that, the whole world heard it. David Cameron in Britain heard it. The Japanese, where we bombed them in 45, heard it. They`re hearing a guy running for president of the United States talking of maybe using nuclear weapons. Nobody wants to hear that about an American president.
TRUMP - Then why are we making them? Why do we make them?
Trump Tells a Bewildered Matthews He Cant Rule Out Using Nukes in Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCHQPCXbt1w
Donald Trump : I Will Never Take Nuclear Weapons Off The Table Even In Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMhrubf9mk
Trump wants to be 'unpredictable' with nuclear weapons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVTAaJ1fzfc
Trump reiterated that it was important to be unpredictable with nuclear weapons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSnVb4i_ZZ4
Trump not worried about more countries getting nukes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG5RCgTySFw
GOP Debate Trump flails when asked about nuclear triad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq6UtGcGPLM
Trump wanted to start a nuclear arms race in Asia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1M6Tcsb7lU
Trump OK with Saudi Arabia acquiring nuclear weapons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxujhzt9FTk
fluffydelusions
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Tomorrow should be amazing
FlutterPuffs
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Lets cone to appreciate that a nominee like Trump came after the Internet was established.
I wont be surprised if he was elected if this happened 2, 3 decades ago.
I wont be surprised if he was elected if this happened 2, 3 decades ago.
Michael F. Assbender
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I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I think that--depending on what he says and how he says it--an attack on Bill Clinton could hurt Hillary Clinton just as bad as any rebuttal she may fire off at Trump.
Although these last few hours since the release of the audio have been brutal to Donald Trump (and rightfully so), his affairs and the rumors of his sexual misconduct have been relatively unknown with the voting public, although whispers and accusations have existed for quite some time. So if Clinton comes out swinging with reports that he was accused of raping his ex-wife or talks about accusations of him accosting other women, I wonder how many among the uninformed, uninitiated, and undecided voting public will believe her and how many will just shrug and assume she's lying or over-reaching to capitalize on this recent news.
Meanwhile, Bill Clinton's affairs have been made a part of our shared American story for the past 20+ years. Whether any of those affairs and indiscretions (aside from Lewinsky) actually happened is beside the point. The point is that we've heard about him and his insatiable appetite for so long that many just accept that it's all true. This exact reaction from the public toward a non-stop barrage of rumors and stories is the same stone that currently hangs from Hillary Clinton's neck, and which prevents much of the voting public from feeling like they can trust her.
If Trump "reminds" the viewers that Bill Clinton is a pervert who raped women and that Hillary Clinton attacked any of his victims who dared speak up, it doesn't matter whether any of that is true. What matters is that his words might touch some subconscious part of some people's brains and make them feel that everything he's saying must be true because it's all they've ever heard about Bill and Hillary Clinton. So he gets to skate away with "Yeah, I talked about touching women. But Bill? He couldn't walk ten feet without raping someone, and Hillary helped him hide the truth."
That's my fear anyway.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Looks like Pence is all in.
CecilRousso
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Not sure why Jon Voigt is upset över the way De Niro talked, since it's really not different from the way his presidential nominee has been talking since the start of the campaign.
Fuck all. Hillary will deny any false allegations, tell the audience that she's here to talk about real issues rather than false tabloid bullshit and come out looking better for it.
I have no idea why Trump thinks that bringing up Bill Clinton's affairs is going to be some kind of nuclear bomb that is totally going to ruin Hillary. Ignoring that bringing up this garbage only makes her look more sympathetic, if this was something that was going to drag her down it would have happened years ago.
Looks like Pence is all in.
One man who has the ability to launch nukes all by himself.
DrForester
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That google image search...
LegendofJoe
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I was annoyed that so few in the party wanted to take on Hillary, but the benefit is people like Castro and Booker are fresh and ready to go for the next round. And I'm sure a few more young bloods will be joining them.
If Hillary can lay the groundwork via judicial appointments those guys might actually be able to enact a lasting progressive agenda once they're in office.
metalslimer
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The people that will decide this election don't give a shit about Bill and if it was such a winning strategy the many people she has debated would have tried it before.
FunkyMunkey
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Looks like Pence is all in.
the amazing hypocritical lengths republicans will go to make sure the gop hold or gain power
yeah one man, the leader of the most powerful military and country on earth. but no big deal
It's not a good look.
I heard this was b/c of some imgur thing earlier today. Can't believe he pulled it off!
DirgeExtinction
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Damn, that is scary.
And hearing Trump surrogates trying to spin this and defend Trump is both hilarious and cringeworthy.
I don't care. You're driving a weird false equivalency narrative where she has sex stuff to apologize for too. She's not even in the same solar system as Donald Trump and people see that. Her handwave "difficult time for my family but we got through it" is more than enough. I'm sure they've got their fingers crossed that Trump tries to put out this fire with gasoline.
Since he's outright telegraphed his plan to bring up Bill's cheating, it's not as if she doesn't have a half-dozen responses already prepared.
I suspect she'll just sidestep as gracefully as possible, rather than start a mud-flinging contest by bringing up Trump's history of being a scumbag. I suspect that there may be a "Mutually Assured Destruction" unspoken truce, where he might not go there unless she brings it up.
Also remember that this is a Town Hall, where they have to respond to questions from ordinary citizens. Somebody has to ask a question remotely related to the issue, otherwise he just looks like a lunatic bringing it up out of nowhere.
I suspect she'll just sidestep as gracefully as possible, rather than start a mud-flinging contest by bringing up Trump's history of being a scumbag. I suspect that there may be a "Mutually Assured Destruction" unspoken truce, where he might not go there unless she brings it up.
Also remember that this is a Town Hall, where they have to respond to questions from ordinary citizens. Somebody has to ask a question remotely related to the issue, otherwise he just looks like a lunatic bringing it up out of nowhere.
Captin Quacker
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broncobuster
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For all those reasons and more, I'd be interested in seeing him try.
You can add Tic-Tacs to the list of brands ruined by Trump, alongside Cheetos and Skittles (Trump Jr doing the wrecking there).
Ok, let's cut the chase then. If somebody in that townhall straight up asked Hillary about how she insulted Monica Lewinsky - you don't think she will/should apologize for it?
PlayALLtheGames
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It'll make him look terrible and the crowd probably won't like it.
The Trump brand has fared the worst.
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