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Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 ≼|℧T|≽ Xenos Saga 2
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
fatmarco
Member
Initial impressions after playing single player on Veteran for a bit are they've killed the single player experience to accommodate co op / multiplayer.
One weapon limits, plus low ammo counts kills the games combat in single player. Why would you ever bother taking a sniper if you can't swap to a mid range weapon or shotgun mid battle? I genuinely can't believe they changed that from the first game.
It only makes sense if your team mates are taking on specific roles e.g. as a Sniper, but in single player this obviously isn't happening with your useless AI team mates.
It becomes completely chaotic dealing with everything by yourself with your tiny shield bar. You'll be be in melee and your team mates aren't attacking ranged enemies and vice versa. This would all be fine if you had a versatile load out, but you essentially can't have one in solo play.
Edit: Dropped difficulty to Normal, and it seems to play a lot better this way. You get an additional armour slot and enemies go down easier. The issue regarding the single weapon slot is still a major issue.
One weapon limits, plus low ammo counts kills the games combat in single player. Why would you ever bother taking a sniper if you can't swap to a mid range weapon or shotgun mid battle? I genuinely can't believe they changed that from the first game.
It only makes sense if your team mates are taking on specific roles e.g. as a Sniper, but in single player this obviously isn't happening with your useless AI team mates.
It becomes completely chaotic dealing with everything by yourself with your tiny shield bar. You'll be be in melee and your team mates aren't attacking ranged enemies and vice versa. This would all be fine if you had a versatile load out, but you essentially can't have one in solo play.
Edit: Dropped difficulty to Normal, and it seems to play a lot better this way. You get an additional armour slot and enemies go down easier. The issue regarding the single weapon slot is still a major issue.
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Spank_Magnet
The Male Lewinsky
Nah, I got it downloaded last night. I was just surprised (outraged) that the launch time was 5pm lol.
Slothbeing1209
Member
Hm the game is still not available for download?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Seems like they've fucked up the release of the normal edition. Should have unlocked already, but still nothing.
Bartski
Gold Member
It's clearly made for co-op from the ground up and requires some collaboration. Bots feel somewhat tankier and will always charge to revive you, at the cost of bad general strategy. Most of the time it makes most sense when one marine prioritizes ranged enemies while the remaining two do crowd control. Also the game requires getting the hang of switching targets a lot, using execution iframes to your advantage and staying aware of what other teammates are doing, and assisting rather than trying to steal kills - top stat kill count or execution bonus in Operations is +10 xp while finishing victorious is like 1200-1850
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Still waiting for my key to be delivered.
edit: just got it! I was starting to get nervous lol.
edit: just got it! I was starting to get nervous lol.
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PanzerCute
Member
Spot on. To me this has nothing to do with Gears of War. And tbh I hated the last 3 GeOW, while I am in love with SM2.
Dynasty8
Member
The campaign is similar to length to a Gears game. There's also co-op PvE operation missions which are challenging and fun. PvP is simple, fun and feels like an oldschool shooter without all the tacked on BS. Horde mode coming next year.
Game will continue to grow, but you can probably get a good 20+ hours out of this. This is my first Warhammer game, had no idea how crazy the lore and history was.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Funny that there is already a "mod" for ultrawide.1GB patch today. Ultrawide support?
Nope
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Well, so far so good. Native 4K Ultra rock solid 30 FPS lock via Riva with occasional loading stutters during video cinematics, but nothing major. The game does have DLSS built in, but there's only TAA and FSR in the options for some reason. We'll see how performance will be in more CPU demanding locations.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Reizo Ryuu
Member
The swarm engine seems to want to use as many cores as possible, the "last stand" sequence in the prologue I hit 87% CPU usage, that's 10 cores 20 threads all going at near top speed; was constantly between 95-100C lol.
manfestival
Member
I love my 36 fps
R6Rider
Gold Member
Reizo Ryuu
Member
OverHeat
« generous god »
HDR RTX ftw
Ironbunny
Member
Its looks quite vivid for me. Playing on 34" qdoled
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
FunkMiller
Member
I’m enjoying this… but as a big 40K fan, it feels like the Space Marines are too slow and clunky. The whole point is that they are lightning fast despite their size. Titus feels lumbering and slow.
Looks great though. Been doing a lot of digital tourism, just looking at all the details.
Looks great though. Been doing a lot of digital tourism, just looking at all the details.
Slothbeing1209
Member
My PC fan is crazy loud with this game 
3070 ultra setting 70/80 fps 1080p. Ran it better than Wukong
3070 ultra setting 70/80 fps 1080p. Ran it better than Wukong
saintjules
Gold Member
Just wondering if I should get this or Astro Bot tonight. Might get both but the backlog is black hole like....
Dr. Acid Avatar
Member
Ultrawide support is coming this month I think? Info is on the main post of the OT.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
GD…your media choices and layout for the OT are extremely well done.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Veteran difficulty is way harder than you'd think, and it's mostly because of the ranged enemies with pinpoint accuracy, I feel like they shred through your armour way too quickly especially since it can be quite hard to tell what exactly is hitting you sometimes.
Turned it back down to normal after the jump packs mission, I don't want to get stuck in some punishing mission later on and hating it for it.
The game is much prettier than I expected though, WWZ doesn't look this good.
Also made them wear helmets, they sound cooler and look more intimidating.
Turned it back down to normal after the jump packs mission, I don't want to get stuck in some punishing mission later on and hating it for it.
The game is much prettier than I expected though, WWZ doesn't look this good.
Also made them wear helmets, they sound cooler and look more intimidating.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Don't give me that look....
Perfectly stable 30 FPS is fine especially if you're using a controller.
I'll take stable native 4K 30 over 2K with unsable 60 any day, plus.... I'll save on power bills as a bonus.
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fatmarco
Member
Yeah, I think there needs to be a disclaimer for Veteran difficulty where it explicitly says its designed for Co-op. It's just completely unbalanced in solo play.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I'm sure they'll patch this in upcoming updates cuz it's ridiculous and stupid af to gate higher difficulty levels only for co-op / multiplayer.
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
Man I really love the combat in this game. It was a weird adjustment at first because my first instinct is to try to roll or dodge away from everything constantly and retreat when it gets hairy.
This pretty much results in you just getting overrun by bugs and killed. Once you learn to really lean into the aggression, hit those parries, utilize the stun combos and gun strikes... oh lawd it becomes a ballet of death. Its gorgeous.
This pretty much results in you just getting overrun by bugs and killed. Once you learn to really lean into the aggression, hit those parries, utilize the stun combos and gun strikes... oh lawd it becomes a ballet of death. Its gorgeous.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
A bit bummed about how co-op focused this seems to be. Being able to get revived by your npc teammates is kinda lame imo, I don't remember that being a thing in the first game and it makes most encounters feel trivial to me.
That part about protecting some antennas, wtf lol, that was super hard and again, it felt like it was designed with co-op in mind.
Game looks super cool and the combat is fun but I dunno, I'm not 100% feeling this sequel.
That part about protecting some antennas, wtf lol, that was super hard and again, it felt like it was designed with co-op in mind.
Game looks super cool and the combat is fun but I dunno, I'm not 100% feeling this sequel.
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Toots
Gold Member
Yesterday I had the lovely surprise of receiving a text from amazon telling me my copy was delivered.
One of the best drunk order i made in a long time
Only did the very beginning and the game looks great even on PS5 and the quality mode is stable and fluid.
Im sure it will prove usefull to me, since even playing on normal mode i almost died during the intro level when you learn the melee gun trick (channeled my inner video game journalist and did not see you needed to hold R1 to do it)
One of the best drunk order i made in a long time
Only did the very beginning and the game looks great even on PS5 and the quality mode is stable and fluid.
I remember during the first one moments were you'd get killed in a matter of seconds, maybe this mechanic will prove usefull the more you advance in the game.
Im sure it will prove usefull to me, since even playing on normal mode i almost died during the intro level when you learn the melee gun trick (channeled my inner video game journalist and did not see you needed to hold R1 to do it
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Cyberpunkd
Member
You never got into Warhammer 40K? GoW is like Rated E for Everyone compared to space nazis.
T4keD0wN
Member
Saber have captured the atmosphere and scale really well, but playing the campaign feels a bit off solo.
Not liking the combat and audio as much as the first game, but i did play one operation in co-op so far and that was absolutely fantastic, it really feels like it was designed and balanced for co-op first and foremost like WWZ was.
RANT HERE:
This game is straight up poorly balanced, parrying is basically useless, why is it even in the game if it does nothing and the enemies just dont care for it, but the worst thing is your melee attack have zero crowd control capabilities and you only restore shields with executions (shields get destroyed in about 1 second even by trash enemies)
Basic enemies have stronger shields than you and they dont even flinch if you hit them with power hammer WTF?
Yet somehow all the regular enemy melee attacks cause heavy crowd control and kill you in 3 hits on the minimal difficulty and youre fighting dozens of enemies at once while all of them with the exception of trash mobs have more HP than you, for some reason the enemy ranged attacks also have crowd control, but yours attacks do not with the exception of melta weapons. It feels like youre playing a regular astra militarum dude who is fighting an army of space marines in the operations. The grind is real and operations feel designed to massively inflate the playtime, was planning to dump a bunch of time to play them, but the game doesnt feel worth playing at the moment, hope it changes.
That aside last few missions are epic as hell.
Not liking the combat and audio as much as the first game, but i did play one operation in co-op so far and that was absolutely fantastic, it really feels like it was designed and balanced for co-op first and foremost like WWZ was.
RANT HERE:
This game is straight up poorly balanced, parrying is basically useless, why is it even in the game if it does nothing and the enemies just dont care for it, but the worst thing is your melee attack have zero crowd control capabilities and you only restore shields with executions (shields get destroyed in about 1 second even by trash enemies)
Basic enemies have stronger shields than you and they dont even flinch if you hit them with power hammer WTF?
Yet somehow all the regular enemy melee attacks cause heavy crowd control and kill you in 3 hits on the minimal difficulty and youre fighting dozens of enemies at once while all of them with the exception of trash mobs have more HP than you, for some reason the enemy ranged attacks also have crowd control, but yours attacks do not with the exception of melta weapons. It feels like youre playing a regular astra militarum dude who is fighting an army of space marines in the operations. The grind is real and operations feel designed to massively inflate the playtime, was planning to dump a bunch of time to play them, but the game doesnt feel worth playing at the moment, hope it changes.
That aside last few missions are epic as hell.
That banner moment and the dreadnaught duel near the end were so good
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Valt7786
Member
Pretty good player count.
So many bigots who should be playing Dustborn!
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Are you saying that the crapness of 30fps matches the crapness of controller for shooters? Just trying to understand why 30fps is fine on controllers but not on mouse+kb.