well, i suppose that's legitimate -- if you don't like games, then perhaps the gamecube is as good as a ps2 or an xbox. he's not suggesting that the gamecube is worthless. he's suggesting that the gamecube, on the merits of its library, is worth less than the ps2 or xbox. and that's flatly true. the recommendation is sound.
Washington Post calls GameCube "obsolete", recommends PS2/Xbox for Holiday gifts...
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olimario said:
No, I'm sorry, I'm in the camp that thinks that average joe consumer needs to stay in school and not be so fucking stupid. I'm sorry that this article offends your fragile sensibilities, but what it says is - for the most part - true.
olimario said:
And, let me ask you... where did you gather, exactly, that he was biased? Is this something he acknowledged at some point? If so, feel free to prove me wrong. But you can't, of course. Because he's not biased. At all. And you're just allowing your biased viewpoint to cloud your judgment. Not surprising. I'm not going to turn this into a flame war, but just give up while you're behind.
If it pisses you off that much, just fire up your little e-mail and toss out a rant about why you think poor Robby-poo is such a big meanie.
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-Zelda TWW
-F-Zero GX***************
-Pikmin
-Eternal Darkness(*sobs*)*******************
-Super Monkey Ball******** (you can also wait for the Xbox version)
-Super Mario Sunshine
-Wave Race: Blue Storm
-Ikaruga
-Viewtiful Joe
-Super Smash Brothers: Melee
-Skies of Arcadia Legends
-Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life
-Mario Tennis**********
-Baten Kaitos
-Donkey Konga
-Metroid Prime 2: Echoes**************** (and this)
Try before you buy
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-1080: Avalanche
-Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
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-Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
-Luigi's Mansion
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-Mario Party 5
-Phantasy Star Online: C. A. R. D. Revolution
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-Luigi's Mansion
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-Cubivore
-Sonic Mega Collection
-Zelda bonus disks
-Pacman vs.
-Midway Arcade Treasures 1 & 2
-MegaMan Anniversary Edition
-Alien Hominid
A few non-exclusive games you should buy
-Sports games(if you're a fan)
-Metal Arms
-Gladius
-Prince of Persia (and perhaps its sequel)
-Beyond Good and Evil
-Viewtiful Joe 2
Upcoming:
-Donkey Konga 2
-Starfox 2
-Donkey Kong Jungle Beat********************* (One of the best of 2005, mark my words)
-Resident Evil 4*****
-Unity
-The Legend of Zelda*************
-Advance Wars: Under Fire
-Fire Emblem***************
-Odama
-Mario Baseball
-Kirby's Adventure
-Killer 7
Hardware:
Buy the congas, a Wavebird, and the Gameboy Player.
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If that isn't enough for a new system owner, that person is either lying or needs a life.
Sorry professor, this isn't a news story. Objectivity isn't even remotely an issue. The very nature of a holiday buying guide is to point out to consumers the product that the author best feels will satisfy friends/family that they are purchasing gifts for.olimario said:
Washington Post - home of Woodward and Bernstein, home of TEH BIASED HOLIDAY GUIDE where Cube gets NIXOWNED.
Amir0x said:
Ok well tell what HUGE new titles the PS2 still has comming out for it? Sure it has a million titles comming but with a good deal of them being things like "Monster Garage", and "your favorite anime show" inspired titles (which I do like) it snot like it has this HUGE powerhouse of gmaes lineup. The Cube has plenty of titles still comming, Mario 128??? It will be around for quite some time to come, don't worry Amir0x, you'll still have a reason to post!
SolidSnakex
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ManaByte said:
Yikes. That's worse than I thought.
gamergirly
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Unison said:
Yup sure did. You have to understand tho, telling the "whole" truth about Gamecube wont sell articles or get Nintendo haters to read them :lol
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drohne said:
Depends on the casual gamer's tastes. To compare current holiday bundles, I personally think that GameCube + Mario Kart for $99 is a better package than Xbox + two average games + Xbox Live that most casuals won't use for $149.
Amir0x said:
The average joe consumer, no matter how many times you click your heels and wish as hard as you can, will not become any more intelligent when it comes to purchasing products. They will hear a viewpoint and act on it regardless of the validity of that view.
You know that as well as I do and you know the power of the media to sway. Rob abused his status.
He was biased when he called the GameCube obsolete on a competetive level and intended for that comment to sway the general public away from the GameCube and to view it as worthless. An objective reporter would have followed that statement by listing a strength of the GameCube and stating what type of person might possibly want a GameCube over another system.
Do The Mario
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It rings a small amount of truth, there isnt a huge amount of GC games I care about coming out next year but a few gems.
Titles like RE:4, Zelda and Starfox might be among the best games this gen but the other consoles have a larger number of what appear to be quality games coming out next year.
This is all mostly speculation as no one has played the major console release line ups for next year.
Titles like RE:4, Zelda and Starfox might be among the best games this gen but the other consoles have a larger number of what appear to be quality games coming out next year.
This is all mostly speculation as no one has played the major console release line ups for next year.
This post has absolutely nothing to do with the article ...
I'd really like to know where all the Nintendo hate actually comes from? This is an honest question, put forth to those who get excited when something bad is written about Nintendo. It also applies to those who really feel the need to downplay any success Nintendo might attain. What causes this? Don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your preferences, but man ... the hate is unbelievable sometimes.
I'm not upset, or anything like that, just curious.
I'd really like to know where all the Nintendo hate actually comes from? This is an honest question, put forth to those who get excited when something bad is written about Nintendo. It also applies to those who really feel the need to downplay any success Nintendo might attain. What causes this? Don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your preferences, but man ... the hate is unbelievable sometimes.
I'm not upset, or anything like that, just curious.
drohne said:
He's also suggesting that EA supporting Xbox Live is a primary reason to buy an Xbox, and that GTASA is the ultimate PS2 "exclusive".
If these examples of "perception is reality" are the ultimate reasons to buy an Xbox or PS2, he's the only who doesn't like games.
In other news, MS bought Rare. Everyone rush out and buy an Xbox. :/
olimario said:
Ok here's the problem I have with this.. regardless of whether you support the GC or not... how the hell can call the GC competitive... competitive for what? The smallest userbase? The least 3rd party support?
Please define competitive.
have any of you people actually tried recommending your pet consoles to casual gamers? i sold a few people on saturns, even though it should have been obvious that the saturn was a budding market failure with a very specialized appeal. and as those saturns alienated their owners, i heard about it, and i learned my lesson. the same principle applies.
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Jr. said:
:lol :lol
lockii said:
"COMPETITION." Do you know what that means? It means that compared to the stunning numbers that PS2 consistently brings in, and compared to the growing momentum the Xbox has... the Gamecube simply no longer is seen as a viable challenger in this generation. It is obsolete.
gamergirly said:
The article is about it being obsolete when compared to Xbox and PS2 [and especially on a competitive level]. This is true. 250,000 consoles is frankly a laugh and a holler compared to the numbers PS2 consistently pulls worldwide. And not to mention how spectacular Sony is doing with its new PSTwo model, which again ends up making the Gamecube look like the one with egg on its face. Or just how fantastic the Xbox holiday bundles are doing. And these systems are 149, and the Gamecube still can't post competitive numbers!
Jr. said:
Ah, Jr., ever the one with absolutely no grounding in reality.
The PS2 has tons of huge new titles coming out. I'd list them, but I'd rather not get into a huge war of subjectivity wherein we're ripping on each others personal taste. The fact is, it's indisputable that on a competitive level the Gamecube is essentially obsolete. It'll never be able to turn out numbers at the level PS2 does, and it will never be able to gain the momentum the Xbox now has. It is -dead- competitively. And everyone knows it.
As for the games, it's dwindling. This is also a fact. Just look at Manabyte's run down. 27 games for Cube... 93 for PS2. I think that's just a huge gap, doncha think?
The fact that you don't think PS2 or Xbox has "huge powerhouse lineups" is irrelevant. It's so irrelevant, in fact, that all it does is solidify your position as someone who does nothing but grasp at straws.
There's nothing wrong with liking the Cube most and thinking it has the best games. But if you're going to come around saying that it's not a competitive failure or that it's getting more support from third party companies or that it'll be receiving the majority of the AAA backup, then you're just going to look silly.
I'm a proud Gamecube owner, and I intend to suck every last drip out of my little handled console. I listed a fairly nice list of upcoming games we have to look forward to, and I can do that without giving a fuck that the Gamecube is a competitive failure. Why can't you, Jr.?
olimario said:
His job as a journalist of a holiday buyers guide is to give his view of what systems will give you the best value for your buck. He did just that. It's not his job to ease fragile Gamecube fanboy sentimentalities. Nor is it his job to even be completely unbiased (even though he wasn't biased at all). Nor is it his job to cater to stupid fucking people, and I'm not even clickin' my heels hoping consumers become smarter. If they don't, too fucking bad for those dumb little fuckers, ain't it chap?
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Wow. Only in a Nintendo thread can I go take a dump, return, and find it ballooning with posts.
DarienA said:
Well from the start Nintendo has always maintained that they were not in the smae market as sony and Microsoft. So maybe they are only competitive against their own numbers. I understand that GCN ales are way down but they dont seem to see an issue with this, so it must not be a big deal.
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drohne said:
Sad but true.
drohne said:
No, I would tell them to get a PS2, get your NFS, Madden, and GTA there, and don't tell me you're never buying a Nintendo system again after GC next gen.
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fallout said:
To put it simply, it's because of their fans.
I like Nintendo. They hit a slump. Hopefully they'll come out, but who knows. They aren't the same developer, publisher and console/handheld manufacturer they used to be. And that's not a good thing.
I also can't think of a reason to recommend a GameCube to a customer who doesn't own any consoles unless they want family-oriented titles, in all seriousness.
I also can't think of a reason to recommend a GameCube to a customer who doesn't own any consoles unless they want family-oriented titles, in all seriousness.
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Sure. It's got a fair number of the most successful PS2 games (Maddens, Tony Hawks, Bonds), enough exclusives worth a look, is multiplayer-ready, and significantly cheaper.drohne said:
AGAIN, this is not a news story where objectivity is required. This is a column where the author is supposed to come out and endorse particular products.olimario said:
Second, the newspaper's editor has given the guy roughly 350 words to cover the entire X-Mas gaming hardware market. It isn't possible for him to do some super-detailed compare-and-contrast column. He can just give his recommendation briefly state why he thinks his choice is best.
i'm not blaming Rob, as it's obvious that there was a limit on how much he can write, but as a buyer's guide, it's really poor. Two paragraphs for all three consoles isn't enough to give readers information on what to buy, especially when one talks more about how much work Microsoft did at gaining ground than the games on the system. Putting the Gamecube's state aside for a moment, it still has a library of great games (most of which are family-friendly), and this isn't mentioned for any of the three. One of the two games that was mentioned, GTA:SA, isn't something a lot of Washington Post readers would want their kids playing.