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Wasteland 2 Kickstarter project by inXile entertainment [Ended, $3 Million Funded]
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I completely agree. I've posted before that the big secret to a highly successful Kickstarter is to have a cool story with a sense of longing and fondness behind the style of game you're going for; that's the X-factor.
With Double Fine, it's Tim Schafer & Ron Gilbert wanting to make a new adventure game that calls back to the Lucasarts classics. That notion basically sells itself. With Wasteland 2, it's Brian Fargo wanting to make, well, Wasteland 2.
He's been very smart to continuously name-drop Fallout, because while many people may have no idea what Wasteland is, Fallout is a big name not only due to Fallout 3/NV but also because Fallout 1 and 2 are basically legendary.The ones that will have a lot of difficulty are indeed the ones without that sort of immediately attractive story behind them. I'm guessing the hardcore tactical shooter is seeing problems because it doesn't really call back to any specific games (outside of maybe Ghost Recon) and doesn't have a well-known name behind it.
Another issue, I think, is that the Kickstarter games have to have a successful start pretty quickly, so people who are hesitant decide to jump on it. I don't doubt that the tactical shooter is seeing problems partly because it's raised so little money. It's sort of a vicious cycle; many people are probably hesitant to pledge for a product that seems to have a hard time raising money, and it has a hard time raising money because people are hesitant to pledge.
Kickstarter is clear that projects are subject to getting sued by backers if they fail to deliver.
Messofanego
Banned
EDIT: ninja'ed so hard
If you get more money than you expect Fargo, make a better game, not a fucking tablet version. I'll rage if money contributed to this project is spent developing a half arse, cheap cash in tablet version.
(I do realise he goes on to say in the next sentence that their aim is not compromising the PC version, but I think the point needs to be made regardless. I think I can say reasonably confidently that it isn't something the fans want.)
I'm curious on what grounds that would lie. There doesn't seem to be any contract involved, unless there's an implicit one somewhere. I assume that Kickstater would at least testify on our behalf or something?
And at the very least it shouldn't be developed along side the PC version (ported afterward). All their resources should be devoted to making the best game they can on the platform gamers invested into.
Honestly, I think ports should be on their own dollar. They're going to make more money off these other versions (otherwise, why bother?).
Also...I'm still unclear how they were planning to make a game like Wasteland 2 for 900k (unless it had minimal graphics/animations). Even back in the 90s I'm sure Fallout 1 cost millions to make.
Never played the original (But did finish Fallout 1 & 2), so I'm in for the basic game. May bump up my pledge once I find out more about the original game and how the sequel is likely to play.
Nice to see that Doublefine (Who I also pledged to) didn't hoover up all of the Kickstarter game dollars. This just might be a valid fundraising avenue for niche titles going forward.
Nice to see that Doublefine (Who I also pledged to) didn't hoover up all of the Kickstarter game dollars. This just might be a valid fundraising avenue for niche titles going forward.
Cydonian__Knight
Member
Wow I woke up and it's over 1 million already! That's crazy they've already sold out the $10,000 tier.
Power Glove
Member
I wonder if they can open more spots for that tier...
Minsc
Gold Member
I think it's more on the grounds they lied to you and took your money for other than what they said with no intentions of delivering the product. If they simply tried as hard as they could and failed to come through, I doubt you'd win anything.
Eteric Rice
Member
I wonder if they could ever do something where fans could invest money into the development of a game, and get returns on it if it were successful.
That would be pretty awesome.
That would be pretty awesome.
MightyHedgehog
Member
I'd rather that they convert the unsold $2.5k ones into more $1k ones, but I'm sure the tiers will follow an evolution similar to Double Fine's and more will be made available.
Theoretically, yes. DFA did.
Seriously. I'm sure there's a wealthy gamer or two who'd like to party with programming geeks.
Cydonian__Knight
Member
It would make sense for them to do so. I mean, if people are this eager to support the project...
Portugeezer
Member
I gave my $15. Wish them success.
EternalGamer
Banned
NO. Please make a tablet version.
Playing an isometric strategy game like Fallout on IPad 3 in high res would be fucking awesome.
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
iPad porting should be the very LAST thing they spend money on...
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Why? iPad is a huge market.
and a suitable platform.
but I agree, everything should be for the content and after it is released they can port it to iPad.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
I wouldn't think adding a touch interface for windows 8 too be a huge burden, since it should just run with traditional inputs on the standard windows build anyways.
I don't know anything about Mac to IOS . How much effort is there porting a Mac/OS games to IOS currently? Do they share a code base at all? Or would it be very financially prohibitive?
I don't know anything about Mac to IOS . How much effort is there porting a Mac/OS games to IOS currently? Do they share a code base at all? Or would it be very financially prohibitive?
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
First off this entire thing was geared toward PC gamers, and two they're going to have finite resources as it is.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
If we were getting a monetary return for our "investment," I'd totally demand an iPad version (despite never intending to own one). It's something they should do, but they should do it themselves with whatever profit they make off the version we "invested" in.
yeah, their market is people who funded them and nobody else. As much as I would love to see this on iPad I have to admit it.
Bill Murray
Banned
Fuck the ipad. We all funded a PC game first and foremost.
Anyway, these kickstarter funded games add a lot of pressure I would imagine, since if the game turns out great, they could get funded for a sequel or new title, but if it turns out to be shit, they will never get funded again.
Goes for Double Fine too.
Anyway, these kickstarter funded games add a lot of pressure I would imagine, since if the game turns out great, they could get funded for a sequel or new title, but if it turns out to be shit, they will never get funded again.
Goes for Double Fine too.
Just like porting to consoles never compromise PC games, right Fargo? Just develop fully for PC THEN compromise your vision for Angry Bird money.
I know they mentioned updating the graphics, but I still hope they keep some inspiration from the era of EGA graphic presentation - alongside being true to (at least every piece of media I've seen of) the original, the colour palette could lend itself to a really striking visual style.
Update #2: Wasteland 2 is a GO!
Sorry we are late. We honestly thought we had another week to write this update…
YOU DID IT! We are funded and Wasteland 2 is a reality. A dream that began more than 20 years ago has actually come true. After years of attempting to get Wasteland 2 kicked off and countless pitch meetings to every major publisher out there, we had almost given up. Even six months ago we didn’t see any way that Wasteland 2 was ever going to happen. Then the world suddenly changed.
This is a paradigm shift that is way bigger than Wasteland 2. This is the beginning of a new era in gaming where the developer gets to work directly with the fans to build the type of product that the fans want. No focus groups, no pitches to the marketing team, no trying to get an executive committee to group-think their way to a project green-light. Now we just have a developer with a creative idea that resonates and a group of dedicated fans who are willing to lay down their money to buy it.
We knew we were taking a risk by asking for the most money anyone had ever asked for on Kickstarter, but we did it because every time we have interacted with the gaming community for the last decade they have asked about getting this sequel done. Even while we have been on press tours for other products, doing press interviews and presentations all over the planet, it always comes up. When are we getting Wasteland? Well, I finally have an answer for everyone. You all get a Wasteland Sequel in October of next year! Not only did we meet the highest funding goal ever on Kickstarter, we did it in 2 days! I know… we can’t believe it either.
So thank you all for making this happen, and please don’t stop spreading the word. If the entire community continues to help spread this through social media, there is no telling how much money we can raise. Every time you get someone else to participate, you are working to make the game bigger and better. We will be making some announcements very soon about what we will be adding to the development if we hit even higher levels.
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Thanks again,
Your friends at inXile
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2/posts
maybe Obsidian should try for a 1mil rpg,i think they can fund it,and it will be a good additional project to work for a while and also can sell it afterwards via stream etc....................
Sorry we are late. We honestly thought we had another week to write this update…
YOU DID IT! We are funded and Wasteland 2 is a reality. A dream that began more than 20 years ago has actually come true. After years of attempting to get Wasteland 2 kicked off and countless pitch meetings to every major publisher out there, we had almost given up. Even six months ago we didn’t see any way that Wasteland 2 was ever going to happen. Then the world suddenly changed.
This is a paradigm shift that is way bigger than Wasteland 2. This is the beginning of a new era in gaming where the developer gets to work directly with the fans to build the type of product that the fans want. No focus groups, no pitches to the marketing team, no trying to get an executive committee to group-think their way to a project green-light. Now we just have a developer with a creative idea that resonates and a group of dedicated fans who are willing to lay down their money to buy it.
We knew we were taking a risk by asking for the most money anyone had ever asked for on Kickstarter, but we did it because every time we have interacted with the gaming community for the last decade they have asked about getting this sequel done. Even while we have been on press tours for other products, doing press interviews and presentations all over the planet, it always comes up. When are we getting Wasteland? Well, I finally have an answer for everyone. You all get a Wasteland Sequel in October of next year! Not only did we meet the highest funding goal ever on Kickstarter, we did it in 2 days! I know… we can’t believe it either.
So thank you all for making this happen, and please don’t stop spreading the word. If the entire community continues to help spread this through social media, there is no telling how much money we can raise. Every time you get someone else to participate, you are working to make the game bigger and better. We will be making some announcements very soon about what we will be adding to the development if we hit even higher levels.
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Thanks again,
Your friends at inXile
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2/posts
maybe Obsidian should try for a 1mil rpg,i think they can fund it,and it will be a good additional project to work for a while and also can sell it afterwards via stream etc....................
Wiktor
Member
The last thing we need after waiting 24 years for Wasteland sequel is to have it butchered just to make interface touchcreen friendly and graphics able to run on that weak-ass hardware.
They need to sse kickstarter money to make the best PC game you can. And after that, if it does well they can port it to whatever they want, tablets included
They need to sse kickstarter money to make the best PC game you can. And after that, if it does well they can port it to whatever they want, tablets included
Anticitizen One
Banned
Im still hoping this gets more funding so that we can get a larger, better world and more quests and stuff.
Im glad the release date is October 2013. Gives them enough time to ensure a quality game.
Im glad the release date is October 2013. Gives them enough time to ensure a quality game.
Could someone answer my question? Thx.
Yeah few mln ipads vs fuckton milion PCs. There is a reason why most developers don't create their games on apple PCs.
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
Maybe instead of assuming things you just check out this poll on their website?
http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=336&view=viewpoll
1% of the respondents picked iOS/Android porting.
So yeah, there are greater priorities at the moment (even at 1.5M to be quite honest.)
when you are in combat its like Jagged Alliance.turn based,do your actions and then the enemy...has strategy cause you have your team and arrange moves as long as you like and then press "end turn"
when not in combat walk and talk to npcs in different town,areas in the map.........
bonesmccoy
Banned
That's the stated goal, so I don't think anyone needs to worry about resources being diverted to an iOS port.
disap.ed, just to do a video search for Wasteland, Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.
Well, that sucks, but fair enough. I stand corrected. At least I'll get a Mac version.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I know the division between PC gaming and Tablet gaming can be a large (and bitter) one but I think a tablet version of such a game could easily be ported over (in regards to game mechanics). And I believe it would be a first of its kind as far as robustness. I would want PC to be the lead platform though (which it is).
just had a discussion about this on Twitter. I hope it WILL be delayed because it's very hard to do a deep RPG in a year and half even though they had a year of concept phase. And if Fargo keeps everybody updated nobody will lash at him hard. Given its audience specifics most people will gladly wait.
Thank you.
I kind of always prefered Commandos' gameplay mechanics, is it likely that this project will take a similiar route?