Wasn't she noticeably absent from the supposed flashback scenes? if what you're saying has any weight what happened to her must take place around the supposed incident 30 years ago.
Well yeah isn't the obvious end goal to create a robot version of ourselves? That's why their called hosts. A host machine for human consciousness.
From m-w
a : a living animal or plant on or in which a parasite lives
b : the larger, stronger, or dominant member of a commensal or symbiotic pair
c : an individual into which a tissue, part, or embryo is transplanted from another
The hosts developing their own sentient consciousness is going to put a damper on all that. Essentially then you have the danger of another consciousness fighting with your own within the circuitry. Or would your programmed consciousness really be you or an entirely different being with the traits and memories of your former self, but would evolve into a completely different being. People can change though too.
I've long thought about this exact possibility, and whether or not the result would really be you. It kind of becomes a spiritual discussion too, if there is a soul, and if it could be transferred mechanically. And even if you don't believe is souls could a robot body and programming actually be you or is it just an imitation. Theoretically say if they could reproduce your brain synthetically or through cloning, would that still even be you? So yeah existentialism and all that and if an individual can in fact exist beyond an individual plane.
She was having dreams that likely originated from past experiences as a host, so sort of flashbacks?
She wasn't ever a guest, the point was that she's having dreams of past experiences and clearly shouldn't be given the comments from the curators. And it points further the the hosts developing aspects of consciousness. They are only supposed to know about the concept of a nightmare, but not actually have any.
She was having dreams that likely originated from past experiences as a host, so sort of flashbacks?
She wasn't ever a guest, the point was that she's having dreams of past experiences and clearly shouldn't be given the comments from the curators. And it points further the the hosts developing aspects of consciousness. They are only supposed to know about the concept of a nightmare, but not actually have any.
She has not been featured in the William/Douche scenes yet, which may or may not be flashbacks themselves.
I meant that IF it was possible to transplant someone's conciousness to a Host, it is also possible that Thandie's nightmares/flashbacks are actually from a time when she was a Guest, instead of a Host.
It's just idle speculation for now.
Bernard had a picture of a child he was looking at. If we got any information on that I missed it, but in my mind that's a passed child of his and that's his real motivation for being there.
While Bernard is sleeping with manager woman he seems onboard with Hopkins creatively and ideologically, when push comes to shove I think he's aligning with Hopkins and betraying her. He might even be up in there more for surveilling her than anything else.
I have a feeling that was a memory of a type of host Thandie's was prior to where she is right now. They seem like they typically move around host jobs/roles (ie Doreles new dad).
Also what was interesting about that scene is that the MiB was shown as a native prior to transitioning to his guest appearance. This leads me to believe that they dictate what a host sees similar to how the picture of NYC looked like nothing to Delores. They might see guest differently vs what they really are.
I took it as the MIB killing the Native American before he walked through the doorI have a feeling that was a memory of a type of host Thandie's was prior to where she is right now. They seem like they typically move around host jobs/roles (ie Doreles new dad).
Also what was interesting about that scene is that the MiB was shown as a native prior to transitioning to his guest appearance. This leads me to believe that they dictate what a host sees similar to how the picture of NYC looked like nothing to Delores. They might see guest differently vs what they really are.
When I was talking about the supposed flashbacks I meant the ones with William and the other guy arriving in the park and stuff in ep 2.
I didn't mean those sort of flashbacks to that attack she was having throughout ep 2.
Ah I had to go way back in the thread to even figure out what you guys are talking about.
This is just based on different logos?
Yeah I really don't think the William deal is another timeline. Makes the show way more convoluted than it already is. Companies have different logos, I wouldn't read into that very much. There may just be some older logos that haven't been updated everywhere. I wouldn't even think that would give anyone a bad impression. Like oh cool, that's the old logo would probably be my thought process, like they have been around a while so that's cool. It would be like if Jurassic park updated their sign / logo and they still had some old ones around that would be cool. And then for the guests that have been going for a long time could think neat, I remember when that old logo was the new logo lol.
It wasn't even the logo thing that convinced me, it just fits way too perfectly, the only thing that could disprove it is William and Douche interacting with either the MiB or one of the members of management we know.
They could always do something weird like have a younger CGI anthony Hopkins show up.
They're probably not "allowed". They just got in one day and it's hard as fuck to exterminate them all. One of the technicians even said how sloppy hygiene probably contributes to the fly problem since there are lots of corpses around every day.
I don't think it was either. I think it was more like an actual dream a person may have. Inspired by experiences, but not a literal re-telling of memories. The bulk of the dream was a memory of a terrifying moment in the "life" of a previous character she played, but then the dream transitioned into a perhaps deeper and more intense fear - the Man in Black.I took it as the MIB killing the Native American before he walked through the door
Given that it penetrated a stone wall, I thibk it might be a "hack" bullet.
That is cool, I was wondering what the big shell was, I had kind of assumed it was a battery (and the guns functioned like laser tag).
Of course he's on board with Hopkins, and I don't get the impression that the management lady isn't really on board with Hopkins either. Bernard and her are just boning for some kicks while publically disagreeing some what on when to shut down a host for the safety of the guests. She understands they won't accomplish anything if the park gets shut down, or at least she's out of a job while likely hopkins and Bernard wouldn't be.
I don't think it was either. I think it was more like an actual dream a person may have. Inspired by experiences, but not a literal re-telling of memories. The bulk of the dream was a memory of a terrifying moment in the "life" of a previous character she played, but then the dream transitioned into a perhaps deeper and more intense fear - the Man in Black.
The conversation with the writer in the first episode threw open the idea that she is in the end game hostile to Ford.
A changing of the guard is overdue, you'd have my support.
Smart enough to guess there's a bigger picture, not smart enough to work out what. That makes your support worth fuck all to me.
It threw open the door that the writer is hostile to Ford. She told him to fuck off. Does she even know what the bigger picture is? I don't really get that impression. Either way she isn't an engineer/doesn't have any actual experience in working on developing the hosts so I highly doubt she thinks that she can replace Ford. She may think that Bernard will eventually replace Ford but that seems the obvious path anyway. So if she's close to Bernard she may learn more over time and it helps a bit with job security.
Themselves, like in real life. There's no disease in this futureWatched the second episode tonight.
I had one burning question that was kinda addressed; with such a high turnover of guests and the "use" the hosts see, episode one raised the question "Who cleans out the whores?" I mean, someone isn't being paid nearly enough for that job.
Very intriguing so far. I loved seeing more of the customer experience this episode.
So is the man in black just a crazed fan who's going for 100% completion and live in his fake paradise forever?
He has the same behavior of someone who spent too much time in an open world game after they finished all of the main tasks
Nah he already got 100% years ago. He's the player who dissects every major patch looking for hidden Easter eggs that might or might not be there. He's been doing this for so long and so prominently that the devs have become aware of him and have started developing content specifically just for him.So is the man in black just a crazed fan who's going for 100% completion and live in his fake paradise forever?
He has the same behavior of someone who spent too much time in an open world game after they finished all of the main tasks
I know that the Man in Black is supposed to be intimidating but I can't help think of him as some loser. There's nothing badass about having an invincibility cheat.
Maybe Ed Harris is trying to get access to Westworld's Club 33.
Like a season trailer that hasn't been aired on TV yet? Is it on YouTube?Caught a trailer between movies during regular HBO hours, have to say it spoiled a bit, so keep an eye out. Or in. Which ever it is. You know, just avert your gaze if you want to preserve the mystery.
I feel like most people in here haven't been keeping up with them, because there are some pretty clear implications that run counter to a lot of the talk in here.
So we're basically looking at the guy who plays GTA 4 and crashes the helicopter to the Statue of Happiness to find the secret heart easter egg, but all of the npcs look 100% human and have their own lives like Skyrim npcs, and we're seeing the horrible implications of what it's like to be an npc in one of those worlds.Nah he already got 100% years ago. He's the player who dissects every major patch looking for hidden Easter eggs that might or might not be there. He's been doing this for so long and so prominently that the devs have become aware of him and have started developing content specifically just for him.
Themselves, like in real life. There's no disease in this future
I know that the Man in Black is supposed to be intimidating but I can't help think of him as some loser. There's nothing badass about having an invincibility cheat.
Really such a clever way of keeping that Terminator vibeSure, but he's a walking invulnerable nightmare to the hosts - basically what the Yul Brynner robot was to the humans in the original movie.
Episode 2 has a major scene with the prostitute cut open while the techs treat a MRSA (staph) infection she got from a guest. The person you quoted was referencing that.
Yeah, I think it might even be the most widely used/seen trailer, but what it implies aboutLike a season trailer that hasn't been aired on TV yet? Is it on YouTube?
Ford stated they can cure any disease, not that there wasn't any at all.
Episode 2 has a major scene with the prostitute cut open while the techs treat a MRSA (staph) infection she got from a guest. The person you quoted was referencing that.
I missed the reference to MRSA. So the 3D printers things are definitely using organic material and the robots are organic enough to catch human infection and disease. Creepy
And then the Vincenzo Natali episode next SundayI just remembered that it's the Neil Marshall episode this Sunday, too.
Has that been in any video games? A revolver with a shotgun alt fire is like something straight out of a video gameIf you're curious about the funky looking gun that Ed Harris's character is using, a really great firearm history channel called Forgotten Weapons just did an explanation for the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9QIvy3T8kg
I was just thinking about how fucked this thread would be if for some reason they skipped this sunday and didn't release the episode.