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Where did all the fake hate for Herman Hulst come from?
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Andrew House was CEO for around 6 years, launched the PS4. No one hated him as far as I can remember.
Firewalk was acquired during Jim Ryan's tenure. The GaaS initiative was started under Jim Ryan. Most of the games in development right now were started when Jim Ryan was CEO.
I've yet to see someone outline specific things Hulst has done that makes him a bad leader for Playstation.
Radical_3d
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Didn't even see that guess that's what I get for lying lol
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Forspoken is million times more fun that forbidden west. God that game is a slog.
So I hope you are not trying to say anything here. Forspoken is legit a way better game
ReBurn
Gold Member
Just because he wasn't in the CEO chair doesn't mean he wasn't responsible for the decisions that affected the studio business. People don't hold an executive leadership position without the ability to spend money and make decisions.
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
He didn't kill KillZone we did
CGI
Lol
nial
Gold Member
I wouldn't call it fake, but rather weird.
Also this:
Also this:
I don't get why it's so hard to not be ignorant.
He's not from the US
mayham2199
Member
I agree but what am I supposed to be critical of? PS has been do amazing lately. They haven't been perfect don't get me wrong there's been some missteps but I'm not looking for a perfectly run company. I'm getting great SP games, I got a great GAAS game. I'm still getting great 3rd party support. I'm living the dream over here.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Ico spent almost 10 years working on The Last Guardian, and Euda left to form his own studio before the game was even finished. The rest of the teams had struggled to develop/release anything that caught on for like 10 years. Gravity Rush and Knack were the closest things to success before Astro Bot came along.
Japan Studio was dead long before they got shut down. Out of curiosity, what do you miss from them?
midnightAI
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Guardian Monkey
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He hasn't gotten any big wins yet or shown that he has made a push that individuals are confident in the strategy his direction is taking. People are concerned, not because of fake hate but because it could impact their investment in the company. I don't mean stock, but simply money spent and future money spent on the platform doesn't give great confidence. Sony can't lean on other parts of the company if things go sour like Microsoft can pull from. Same could be said about Nintendo, but they are more risk adverse. Honestly, I think it will be fine, they just have to adapt to the marketplace, just like the statement they made earlier this week. Also, I like joking around here a bit about the upside down PS5, hell I had mine upside down at one point as well after I moved it before I realized it. But being the head of marketing at the time and posting it online is hilarious, that's all.
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nial
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He was not, but yeah I agree it was dumb.
Radical_3d
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The genere: Extraction Shooter GaaS.
The creative process:
The Studio Lead:
If you can’t extrapolate what kind of game and of what quality is going to be you either are new to this or you’re too dumb to write your own opinions. Unless you’re trolling. Then you’re a genius.
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Lupin25
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This post needs more love.
People probably think because there's new heads at SIE that they're just going to shut down everything live service, but it's far too late for that with most of those games getting ready to release soon. We'll have to see this through, unfortunately.
lachesis
Member
My only beef with him is that he said a few years back as the head of studios... that...
“I will say that we are in some ways very much a Japanese company still. That’s our heritage. That’s still part of who we are. We love our Japanese games,” not too long after shutting of the Japan Studio.
Hearing him saying that, really nailed their position of not being a Japanese company, or it's subsequent intent and actions of not being a Japanese company - especially from their 1st party outputs from Japan, or lack of thereof except Astro and GranTurismo.
I would have appreciated if SIE pushed out like 1/4th of output per year from their internal studios in Japan, as I love Japanese games - not just mainstream JRPGs or whatnot but many of cool, experimental ones from PS1 days.
“I will say that we are in some ways very much a Japanese company still. That’s our heritage. That’s still part of who we are. We love our Japanese games,” not too long after shutting of the Japan Studio.
Hearing him saying that, really nailed their position of not being a Japanese company, or it's subsequent intent and actions of not being a Japanese company - especially from their 1st party outputs from Japan, or lack of thereof except Astro and GranTurismo.
I would have appreciated if SIE pushed out like 1/4th of output per year from their internal studios in Japan, as I love Japanese games - not just mainstream JRPGs or whatnot but many of cool, experimental ones from PS1 days.
nial
Gold Member
I also think people are way too disingenuous with their reasoning. It's so easy to be like "hurr durr he closed japan studio he hates japanese games we will never see ape escape again!! (please ignore the fact that the last game was that shitty PS move spin-off in 2010)", but that's not taking into account that the restructuring allowed to turn Team Asobi into its full-blown studio, and that the external development groups would start branching out production in other parts of Asia like South Korea and China; which yes, diversifies the output.
None of them were developed internally, though (except for Ape Escape if you consider that experimental enough).
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's why Japan Studio was restructured. The output did not warrant the investment. Last Guardian was the last big game before the restructure, and Ueda and his team finished that game halfway out the door. Literally nothing else from what used to be Japan Studio came out as an undeniable success.
Kaz Hirai was indeed a good CEO and is rightly beloved because he saved Playstation then went on to save Sony Corp as a whole. Ken Kutaragi is remembered as the founding father because he is. That will never change.
The 2 of them also oversaw the development and launch of the PS3, which could have easily been Sony's Xbox One moment. That led to Kutaragi being pushed out.
existensmaximum
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Why? The Dutch are awesome
Setsuna Mudou
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fake?? why would it be fake? what a stupid take to have
so now we're pretending he's not been in a leadership position for years now under Jim Ryan in charge of the worldwide studios initiative... he's the guy that should know better and somehow looked at the fucking shitshow concord was and thought "you know what, this is top tier right here, let's go all in". That alone should disqualify him from holding an intern position at Sony, much less CEO
so now we're pretending he's not been in a leadership position for years now under Jim Ryan in charge of the worldwide studios initiative... he's the guy that should know better and somehow looked at the fucking shitshow concord was and thought "you know what, this is top tier right here, let's go all in". That alone should disqualify him from holding an intern position at Sony, much less CEO
nial
Gold Member
The fact that Ueda was already gone 5 years BEFORE The Last Guardian was even released says everything. People should stop overlooking the obvious management issues of SIEJ's game division since 2005, there's a reason they couldn't even get something as safe as Ape Escape 4 out of the door in the PS3 era (and yes, that was indeed in development).
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Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Kvally
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Hey Herman, it's not fake. It's the real deal.
Fabieter
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Japan studios has co-developed so many great games over the years, and they’ve stated that this won’t change with XDev will handle most of the heavy lifting for collaborations in Japan. However, since the decision to phase out Japan Studio, they’ve only managed one notable Japanese collaboration in the past four years. This is disappointing, considering Japan Studio was responsible for some of Sony’s most unique and creative games.
One of my personal favorites is *Puppeteer*. It’s a shame they didn’t bring it to the PS4, especially since so many other titles received ports during that era. This oversight lies squarely on the executives at the time.
Then there’s *Concord*. If someone thought it was a good idea to invest half a billion dollars in that game, their judgment is seriously questionable. That decision alone should be enough to reconsider their role.
Fbh
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Some don't like the direction Sony has been taking in the last few years
When people don't like what a company is doing they tend to hate on the people who are currently in charge over there, even if sometimes they aren't actually directly tied to the things being complained about. This isn't something exclusive to Hulst
When people don't like what a company is doing they tend to hate on the people who are currently in charge over there, even if sometimes they aren't actually directly tied to the things being complained about. This isn't something exclusive to Hulst
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
They did though. He no longer runs Playstation.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You think that's Herman? And not Jim Ryan's?
Fabieter
Member
So wasting money and customer goodwill is gonna promote you at Sony.
nial
Gold Member
Rise of the Ronin and Death Stranding 2? But what about the non-Japanese games like Stellar Blade, Convallaria and Lost Soul Aside? You can't just ignore them as they're produced by the exact same people behind the aforementioned Japanese games, therefore it's not fair to exclude them to prove why you believe XDEV isn't doing a lot more; they do, it's just not Japanese games only anymore.
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Fabieter
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Death stranding 2 isn't out yet. And other regions were also supported before they fired Japan studios so no i wouldn't count them.
Barakov
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Fake hate? My hate for that ginger lover is VERY, VERY, REAL.
nial
Gold Member
Right, but it's coming. It all took so long due to the restructuring in 2021.
Also, no? When was Sony Japan producing games from SK and CN before 2021? Literally never.
It can't be real if it's popping up in threads that has nothing to do with anything he is doing.
It can be a thread about PlayStation having record breaking profit but somehow you will see these random comments.
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
Since he started sucking Aloys dick and forcing his nepo-baby on us.
Lokaum D+
Member
I had ALL Killzone games day one, Killzone 2 and 3 are master pieces.
Tiamat2san
Member
I’ll quote a great philosopher:
« Nigel Powers:
There are two things in the world I can't stand: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch. »
He deserves it
« Nigel Powers:
There are two things in the world I can't stand: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch. »
He deserves it
