Why Did The PS3 Fail?
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Phoenix Down
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Pureauthor said:
im sorry overall marketshare= worldwide
Segata Sanshiro
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You're right. I forget, how's it going for the PS3 worldwide in relation to the 360 in overall marketshare right now?Phoenix Down said:
Whats so funny?Router said:
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JavyOO7 said:
what about after halo 3 wise guy.. what in 2008 will keep that momentum going?
wait hold in.. this is a joke post right?
BenNX74205 said:
Wrong. Wii Sports (which appeals to non-gamers), and the games GC owners were starving for are out. There is not much out there to entice PS2 owners, and there won't be.
Unless Halo 3 is a completely different game, targeting a different audience from that of Xbox 1, how is this the case?
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Segata Sanshiro said:
its selling faster in japan. and according to sony i think they said 6 to one in all of europe.. we dont get europe numbers so no one can confirm it
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Tobor said:
because everyone and there momma knows the console war isent over so saying it failed really makes no sense
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Culex said:
which console do you think is selling better worlwide right now ps3 or 360?
BenjaminBirdie
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Phoenix Down said:
Like right this very minute? 360.
Pureauthor
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Phoenix Down said:
360.
Segata Sanshiro
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Well, if we don't get Euro numbers we can't say much about them one way or the other. But the numbers we do have, NA + Japan, had the PS3 just barely outselling the 360 last month for the first time this year. And the PS3 is still 7 million units behind, which in terms of sell-through is pretty much where it has been since launch. It's not gaining on the 360 at all in any meaningful sense of the word.Phoenix Down said:
I expect this will change and at a certain point the excess NA sales for the 360 will not be enough to make up for a lacklustre performance elsewhere, but when? A year from now? Six months from now? Either way, we're looking at 1 1/2 to 2 years after PS3 launch and the same 7 million worldwide deficit staring them in the face.
It might eventually pass the 360, but I have a feeling it won't. The GC never did catch the Xbox, after all, and the Xbox sold worse in Japan than the 360 and the Cube sold better than the PS3.
BenjaminBirdie
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Segata Sanshiro said:
Did not know that. A compelling precedent.
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jonabbey said:
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Phoenix Down said:
2/3 of Xbox gamers didn't even buy Halo 2. :lol And Xbox had horrible developer support compared to 360, if millions found Xbox appealing without Halo, many more millions should find 360 appealing. Especially since they are the affordable high-def option instead of being pricematched with Sony like last gen.
Hey wise guy what is going to get any momentum going for PS3 when they made the dumbass decision of always being the most expensive, for the entire generation?
Price matters. They can cut and cut but they'll always the the pricey option.
Phoenix Down said:
360, and it will increase its lead even more in the next five months.
Segata Sanshiro
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My apologies, but I cannot aquiesce to your request. As far as Japan is concerned, which is where this book is written and published, yes, it absolutely, positively has failed.Pharmacy said:
I mean, would you say it has succeeded?
Pharmacy said:
The definition of fail or win is also a gray area. People say the Wii is "winning", and as far as hardware sales and hype thats true. There still is not any games for it that interest me or a compelling line up for the future. People say the PS3 is failing, which is true again in hardware sales and hype. Yet there are more games on that system that are appealing to me and i'm looking forward to. That number has slowly been shrinking and going to the 360 side though.
Aurean_Mentat
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There's one thing you fanboys seem to be forgetting..... THE PS3 IS NOT THE PLAYSTATION 2!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE RAMMED INTO YOUR SKULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The console that is in the PS2's position now is the Xbox 360.... let me break it down for you:
1) The Xbox 360, like the Playstation 2, had a year's headstart
2) The Xbox 360, like the Playstation 2, is outselling its direct competitor (the Wii is competing for the consumer's average dollar, but not in the market they're specifically targeting)
3) The Xbox 360, like the Playstation 2, is the beneficiary of a snowball effect (good games = more consoles sold = more games made for the 360
Before you claim I'm a fanboy, here are the differences:
1) The Playstation 2 was actually more reliable overall (hardware-wise) than the 360 has been
2) The Playstation 2, unlike the Xbox 360, did and is selling well in Japan
So for the slow people in the class, some exclusives are going to the 360 because of MS moneyhats, and the fact that the userbase might not be worth the expenditure needed to port it. Let's face facts, 10% of the 360's userbase is more (in pure numbers) than 10% of the PS3's userbase..... and, before I forget, there is one more difference:
1) The 360 has a rather talented marketing team.... whereas the PS3's marketing team must be receiving money from Microsoft... I think most everyone would agree that the marketing for the Playstation 3 has sunk.
2) Sony is not Nintendo.... I don't really think Sony is accustomed to their games having to carry the system (they're rather nice, and they do make good games, but let's face it people.... they're not Nintendo.)
The Playstation 3 is currently a failure.... as many others have said, that does not mean it won't sell (and I'm not discounting the fact that TGS happens soon.... Sony has a small window to begin pulling their fat out of the fire, but that window is closing). The y need to get some good hype going, and get the system down to 400.00 already (I'll buy it at that price, as long as its not a 'tard pack).
And in parting.... MS doesn't need to trounce the 360 in Japan, they're doing so in Europe (thing 360 selling well over in the UK, their biggest game market), and in NA. The 360 isn't doing well in Japan, but Sony is getting their front teeth handed to them by Nintendo, which, if we are to consider CONSOLES only, is doing at least 3 Wiis to 1 PS3 consistently (not to mention that a study was done [I'll try to find it] saying that some ridiculously high number like 75-90% of the Japanese will have a DS by 2010).
The console that is in the PS2's position now is the Xbox 360.... let me break it down for you:
1) The Xbox 360, like the Playstation 2, had a year's headstart
2) The Xbox 360, like the Playstation 2, is outselling its direct competitor (the Wii is competing for the consumer's average dollar, but not in the market they're specifically targeting)
3) The Xbox 360, like the Playstation 2, is the beneficiary of a snowball effect (good games = more consoles sold = more games made for the 360
Before you claim I'm a fanboy, here are the differences:
1) The Playstation 2 was actually more reliable overall (hardware-wise) than the 360 has been
2) The Playstation 2, unlike the Xbox 360, did and is selling well in Japan
So for the slow people in the class, some exclusives are going to the 360 because of MS moneyhats, and the fact that the userbase might not be worth the expenditure needed to port it. Let's face facts, 10% of the 360's userbase is more (in pure numbers) than 10% of the PS3's userbase..... and, before I forget, there is one more difference:
1) The 360 has a rather talented marketing team.... whereas the PS3's marketing team must be receiving money from Microsoft... I think most everyone would agree that the marketing for the Playstation 3 has sunk.
2) Sony is not Nintendo.... I don't really think Sony is accustomed to their games having to carry the system (they're rather nice, and they do make good games, but let's face it people.... they're not Nintendo.)
The Playstation 3 is currently a failure.... as many others have said, that does not mean it won't sell (and I'm not discounting the fact that TGS happens soon.... Sony has a small window to begin pulling their fat out of the fire, but that window is closing). The y need to get some good hype going, and get the system down to 400.00 already (I'll buy it at that price, as long as its not a 'tard pack).
And in parting.... MS doesn't need to trounce the 360 in Japan, they're doing so in Europe (thing 360 selling well over in the UK, their biggest game market), and in NA. The 360 isn't doing well in Japan, but Sony is getting their front teeth handed to them by Nintendo, which, if we are to consider CONSOLES only, is doing at least 3 Wiis to 1 PS3 consistently (not to mention that a study was done [I'll try to find it] saying that some ridiculously high number like 75-90% of the Japanese will have a DS by 2010).
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jonabbey said:
:lol
How should we know?? What are we, Kodansha? Saying the PS3 hasn't failed because the 360 failed harder is startlingly poor argument. That's like watching a footrace where one guy breaks his leg halfway through and saying, "He didn't lose, that guy just broke BOTH legs!"
Phoenix Down said:
No more of a joke post compared to yours.
Halo 3 is not the system's swan song. Nor will the system sell zero units while the PS3 lights the world on fire next year. Microsoft does not need the 360 at all. Japanese developers under the 360 flag realize that most if not all of their software sells for the system will come from America. It's doing pretty damn well for itself so far, isn't it?
Listen, PS3 can have all the FF's, MGS's, WipeOut, whatever. That's no doubt a nice line-up. But the 360 hasn't even uncovered its list of games for the '08 calendar year. What to look forward to? Whatever Microsoft first party and its 3rd party community develop. The 360 has a better chance of giving the Wii the fight of its life. All the PS3 could do is maybe the equivalent of a fart.
But pretending that the highest selling HD console will have nothing in 2008 is hogwash, considering its selling software like crazy to a very dedicated fanbase, it has a very decent online community with Live, and XBLA honestly is a great treat for the casual gamer and for the hardcore gamer alike.
Momentum? I have no doubt that Halo 3 momentum will spill over all the way till end of 2008. That's more than enough to thwart anything the PS3 can manage. I'm not saying the software the PS3 will dish out next year will be something left to be desired, because its not, I'm just saying don't expect the console to light the world on fire... be content on just playing AAA games... not a blowout first place like Playstation has done in the past.
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jonabbey said:
No, because everyone and their mother already knows why the X360 failed in Japan.
Segata Sanshiro
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You're right, though we surely can't argue about people's personal expectations and how they value the system. By that metric I can say the Saturn didn't fail. I think the only thing we can reasonably argue about is the business end of it, which admittedly is only partially related to gaming itself, and in the loosest sense at that.Ponn01 said:
Maybe that's why there's always all these big fights in sales threads.
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I'm better at writing in English than French. Perhaps, if I'm making something that's going to end up both languages, I should write the French version first and then translate it to English? Certainly translating my own work from French to English would be easier than the reverse.Speevy said:
...which is one of the definitions of failure.Pharmacy said:
Segata Sanshiro
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Well jon, I don't know. Do you think a book about that would be interesting or compelling enough for Japanese to care about?jonabbey said:
The only metric the 360 has succeeded in over in Japan is being on track to outsell it's predecessor. It's an abject failure in every other possible way. Actually, I guess it didn't give the population the deadly Motaba virus, so I suppose it has that going for it, too.
Oh really?Bulla564 said:
Dance Dance Revolution series
Fifa series (online)
Final Fantasy
Guitar Hero III (online)
Harry Potter series
Madden series (online)
Medal of Honor series (online)
Need for Speed series
Prince of Persia
Pro Evolution Soccer series (online)
Sonic series
Spiderman series
Splinter Cell series
SSX series
The Sims series
The Simpsons
Tiger Woods series
Tomb Raider series
Tony Hawk series
Sorry to bother anyone with a list, but this is just a selection of what I could think of right now. If you would take a look at the PS2 list of what's selling for casuals, then you see a lot of games which you can find installments off on the Wii (plus with waggle and all that). And that's just after one year on the market and it's line-up and gamelibrary is growing rapidly. And I am certain that the Wii will get games like GTA, it just remains to be seen when and what it'll be like. And of course there are a lot of new franchises that casuals have interest in. Not only non-gamers or Nintendo fans care about games like Wii Sports, Mario, Wii Music, Wii Fit etc etc, casual gamers (and thus, PS2 gamers) do too wether you like it or not.
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Aurean_Mentat said:
Also, Sony needs to figure out a way to start getting their userbase to buy more software. If they had 360's userbase's buying habits, we would never ever have to have this argument again.
Beer Monkey
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jonabbey said:
Nope, being tied isn't the same as being the most expensive. Both systems came out at $299. Both cut to $199 in May 2002. Both cut to $179 in May 2003. The only time PS2 was the most expensive was for five whole weeks in Spring 2004 (Xbox dropped to $149 just a bit earlier). PS2 has been $129.99 for over a year, a price which Xbox never fell to.
Segata Sanshiro
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Son, I don't use thesauri, I write them. And if you hate serious arguments about videogames, then surely somewhere in your head a little red light went off when you clicked the thread entitled "Why Did The PS3 Fail?"Pharmacy said:
Mosey along, then. If it's no fun for you, you really shouldn't bother participating. Go enjoy some vids instead.
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jonabbey said:
MSRP never went below $149. Some retailers may have cleared out final stock at $99 once the system was discontinued and no longer being supplied to the channel, but around here it didn't last long at all once clearanced, just a matter of weeks.
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Bulla564 said:
Claiming your views as those of "PS2 owners" doesn't magically make it fact. What we do know is that people are buying Wii faster than any console in history, so there's something out there attracting a large number of people. Whether that mass of people includes PS2 owners is unknown. But it is MUCH more likely the group is made up of GC owners, PS2 owners, X-Box owners, and people who didn't own a console last gen than, say, only being made up of GC owners or GC owners and non-gamers.