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Foliorum Viridum
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Tried, hasn't worked.
Yep, set that stuff up fine.
For the last 24 hours though? :\
i know, but really seems that any connection problem is related to version 1.0 of the OS... once you manage to update you are going to be fine...
try using a bridge just like i did
So far I have extremely mixed feelings regarding the Wii U.
The OS is painfully slow.
UI design is all over the fucking place, nothing is consistent. Some things I can do with the buttons, some with the touchscreen, some with both, it's really silly. Certain apps feel like they were designed by different teams with different goals, I will forgive Nintendo Land for having some games played with the gamepad, some not so much, yadda, yadda, because they're a bunch of minigames but for the OS it's inexplicable that this exists. The system menu has to be browsed by the gamepad, you can not use a pro controller at all, you're just stuck looking at the instructions on the TV and no button will change that forcing you to move to the gamepad. Moronic. However, if you're just in the plain home OS screen you can switch between what's shown on the TV with the x or y(forget which) button(which is smart and how it should be in the settings menu as well). Same thing with the Miiverse app, some of it you can navigate with the pro controller but then you get stuck where you have to use the touch screen and the only thing you can do is back at and again use the gamepad. Idiotic. At least the eShop flat out says it can only be used with the gamepad, which is still stupid because it's showing that crap on the screen and you can use the gamepad buttons to navigate the shop just fine which influences the display on the television.
But the Pro controller so far actually seems to be the better controller for actually navigating WaraWara Plaza or whatever as you can move the pointer around and pick out specific miis with ease AS WELL AS move the screen where you want which is much harder to influence with the gamepad, although yes on the gamepad if you do manage to get to the section of the screen you want you can just tap on the mii you want to view which is easier than using the pro controller.
The Hulu Plus app is particularly moronic in design. It more or less requires the TV to be on with its shit interface but flat out doesn't work with the pro controller.
So sort of my main gripe is the super over-reliance on the gamepad, I want to use the Pro controller but I'm constantly forced away from that option at every turn by Nintendo.
I would be less annoyed at this aspect if two things were true:
First thing is that if the gamepad did not have terrible battery life. the gamepad's a neat idea for sure and I do think it's comfortable for what it is, though not as comfortable as a true controller for classic style games, but if I actually used the system with the gamepad it runs out of juice on me every time.
Second thing is if the TV really was not required. I know that you could deflect responsibility from Nintendo by claiming it's not their place to tell other developers like Hulu how to design their software but as the platform owner it actually is their place.
As it is now the Wii U is seriously lacking in a focus making it a rather poor choice for everything it does. It's rather frustrating to treat it as a flat out standard game console as the battery life of the gamepad is terrible, not to mention that for many games it's not an ideal solution and while the Pro Controller is a decent controller, the swapped buttons and analong stick on the right side, lack of a mic jack and it's inability to navigate some of the most fundamental sections of the OS also make it a poor choice.
On the flip side I can't really treat it as a tablet like I do my Kindle Fire either as the range is limited by the Wii U, the battery life discourages heavy use and sometimes for no reason you have to use the TV.
So I'm left here thinking, "ok, so if the gamepad really is the Wii U's thing why the fuck did they not really focus on that?" Why does it not have better battery life? Why isn't everything able to run without the TV on?
As far as the Wii U's gimmick goes it's a failure, I can't leave the gamepad lying by my couch and use it sporadically like I do a tablet or even any other console because of the battery life. The Pro Controller has a decent battery and I'm happy with it hardware wise but that doesn't work with everything forcing me to get up and get the gamepad from it's dock and use that if I want to do something simple like add a friend or something. It's a frustrating system to use for anything other than playing the one game I own on it, Warriors: Orochi 3(well aside from Nintendo Land but that's boring solo).
That said, I don't hate it as a game machine, Warriors: Orochi is actually fun, sure, it's got some slowdown but it and Nintendoland were fun games and I look forward to what the system can do but I'm just baffled by what I feel is a total disregard to the user experience surrounding the console. If Nintendo made the whole OS usable without the gamepad I'd like it a whole lot more as a game system but for me to like it as originally pitched they gotta increase the battery life of the gamepad(which would piss me off as well though since I'd likely have to buy another pad or battery) and make everything also be runable just from the Gamepad, this mix and match shit is ridiculous. The slow UI is ridiculous.
In short I kind of think it's the worst "console" I've ever owned. Which is a weird thing to say and not entirely accurate but not wrong, lol. As a dedicated game machine it's more annoying to use than any other system I have ever owned. I guess this is a side effect of the evolution of console, everything else was plug in and play and now I have to have the pad always charging, wii remotes nearby, the Pro controller nearby and in a single gaming session I'll likey be forced to use at least 2 of those three! I find that hilarious. It's also the worst tablet or handheld I've ever owned. Crap battery life, sometimes requires a television and is slower than any tablet I have used. But, if the game does run on the tablet screen it runs nicely. But it's also not true because it is better than the Wii and I have no doubt it'll have games that look better than a Wii offering so somehow it's the worst console I've owned and not at the same time.
Like I said, extremely mixed feelings on the thing.
This is ignoring other things that kinda grate at me like the slowest download speeds on the planet(Orochi took a day to download and the first firmware took over an hour to download), super long install times(Orochi took over an hour), the incredibly paltry storage space of the Deluxe, nonexistent usability options like a much needed opposite of the "power down after download is completed" button so that a user could set a normal power off after x amount of hours option, to you know, save the planet, but not have it shut off in the middle of a download which will take 17 hours or so to download. The latter thing is so silly, once they knew what their file sizes would be and they knew they weren't going to be providing super fast download speeds(which I don't mind, the service is free) why the fuck did they not have that as an option in the download list screen? So stupid, so either you set your console to something silly like power down after 24 hours or some crazy long time where the concept of even having an auto-off feature becomes stupid, you check on it every few hours to keep it shutting off which is a waste of time or you just let it shut off and download the file in several chunks as you use the system throughout the week. Just another example of the lack of thought in regards to the user experience by Nintendo.
Anyways, still waiting for Bayonetta 2 and Zelda!
Edit: Also, in relation to the above I think they really need to focus on improving the pad. Without the pad it really stands no chance against the next Xbox and Playstation but at the moment the gamepad's also it's biggest obstacle.
The OS is painfully slow.
UI design is all over the fucking place, nothing is consistent. Some things I can do with the buttons, some with the touchscreen, some with both, it's really silly. Certain apps feel like they were designed by different teams with different goals, I will forgive Nintendo Land for having some games played with the gamepad, some not so much, yadda, yadda, because they're a bunch of minigames but for the OS it's inexplicable that this exists. The system menu has to be browsed by the gamepad, you can not use a pro controller at all, you're just stuck looking at the instructions on the TV and no button will change that forcing you to move to the gamepad. Moronic. However, if you're just in the plain home OS screen you can switch between what's shown on the TV with the x or y(forget which) button(which is smart and how it should be in the settings menu as well). Same thing with the Miiverse app, some of it you can navigate with the pro controller but then you get stuck where you have to use the touch screen and the only thing you can do is back at and again use the gamepad. Idiotic. At least the eShop flat out says it can only be used with the gamepad, which is still stupid because it's showing that crap on the screen and you can use the gamepad buttons to navigate the shop just fine which influences the display on the television.
But the Pro controller so far actually seems to be the better controller for actually navigating WaraWara Plaza or whatever as you can move the pointer around and pick out specific miis with ease AS WELL AS move the screen where you want which is much harder to influence with the gamepad, although yes on the gamepad if you do manage to get to the section of the screen you want you can just tap on the mii you want to view which is easier than using the pro controller.
The Hulu Plus app is particularly moronic in design. It more or less requires the TV to be on with its shit interface but flat out doesn't work with the pro controller.
So sort of my main gripe is the super over-reliance on the gamepad, I want to use the Pro controller but I'm constantly forced away from that option at every turn by Nintendo.
I would be less annoyed at this aspect if two things were true:
First thing is that if the gamepad did not have terrible battery life. the gamepad's a neat idea for sure and I do think it's comfortable for what it is, though not as comfortable as a true controller for classic style games, but if I actually used the system with the gamepad it runs out of juice on me every time.
Second thing is if the TV really was not required. I know that you could deflect responsibility from Nintendo by claiming it's not their place to tell other developers like Hulu how to design their software but as the platform owner it actually is their place.
As it is now the Wii U is seriously lacking in a focus making it a rather poor choice for everything it does. It's rather frustrating to treat it as a flat out standard game console as the battery life of the gamepad is terrible, not to mention that for many games it's not an ideal solution and while the Pro Controller is a decent controller, the swapped buttons and analong stick on the right side, lack of a mic jack and it's inability to navigate some of the most fundamental sections of the OS also make it a poor choice.
On the flip side I can't really treat it as a tablet like I do my Kindle Fire either as the range is limited by the Wii U, the battery life discourages heavy use and sometimes for no reason you have to use the TV.
So I'm left here thinking, "ok, so if the gamepad really is the Wii U's thing why the fuck did they not really focus on that?" Why does it not have better battery life? Why isn't everything able to run without the TV on?
As far as the Wii U's gimmick goes it's a failure, I can't leave the gamepad lying by my couch and use it sporadically like I do a tablet or even any other console because of the battery life. The Pro Controller has a decent battery and I'm happy with it hardware wise but that doesn't work with everything forcing me to get up and get the gamepad from it's dock and use that if I want to do something simple like add a friend or something. It's a frustrating system to use for anything other than playing the one game I own on it, Warriors: Orochi 3(well aside from Nintendo Land but that's boring solo).
That said, I don't hate it as a game machine, Warriors: Orochi is actually fun, sure, it's got some slowdown but it and Nintendoland were fun games and I look forward to what the system can do but I'm just baffled by what I feel is a total disregard to the user experience surrounding the console. If Nintendo made the whole OS usable without the gamepad I'd like it a whole lot more as a game system but for me to like it as originally pitched they gotta increase the battery life of the gamepad(which would piss me off as well though since I'd likely have to buy another pad or battery) and make everything also be runable just from the Gamepad, this mix and match shit is ridiculous. The slow UI is ridiculous.
In short I kind of think it's the worst "console" I've ever owned. Which is a weird thing to say and not entirely accurate but not wrong, lol. As a dedicated game machine it's more annoying to use than any other system I have ever owned. I guess this is a side effect of the evolution of console, everything else was plug in and play and now I have to have the pad always charging, wii remotes nearby, the Pro controller nearby and in a single gaming session I'll likey be forced to use at least 2 of those three! I find that hilarious. It's also the worst tablet or handheld I've ever owned. Crap battery life, sometimes requires a television and is slower than any tablet I have used. But, if the game does run on the tablet screen it runs nicely. But it's also not true because it is better than the Wii and I have no doubt it'll have games that look better than a Wii offering so somehow it's the worst console I've owned and not at the same time.
Like I said, extremely mixed feelings on the thing.
This is ignoring other things that kinda grate at me like the slowest download speeds on the planet(Orochi took a day to download and the first firmware took over an hour to download), super long install times(Orochi took over an hour), the incredibly paltry storage space of the Deluxe, nonexistent usability options like a much needed opposite of the "power down after download is completed" button so that a user could set a normal power off after x amount of hours option, to you know, save the planet, but not have it shut off in the middle of a download which will take 17 hours or so to download. The latter thing is so silly, once they knew what their file sizes would be and they knew they weren't going to be providing super fast download speeds(which I don't mind, the service is free) why the fuck did they not have that as an option in the download list screen? So stupid, so either you set your console to something silly like power down after 24 hours or some crazy long time where the concept of even having an auto-off feature becomes stupid, you check on it every few hours to keep it shutting off which is a waste of time or you just let it shut off and download the file in several chunks as you use the system throughout the week. Just another example of the lack of thought in regards to the user experience by Nintendo.
Anyways, still waiting for Bayonetta 2 and Zelda!
Edit: Also, in relation to the above I think they really need to focus on improving the pad. Without the pad it really stands no chance against the next Xbox and Playstation but at the moment the gamepad's also it's biggest obstacle.
miiverse is so good 
with that, zombiu and the integrated messages in stuff like NSMBU, they basically made demon's souls the console. if it gets a decent stream of exclusives then i can see this console being my favourite.
there are no moving parts inside apart from the disc drive right? no hdd? thinking about taking it over to a friends house but i'm paranoid it will die.
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also we should totally choose somewhere deserted to be the gaf hangout on miiverse.
with that, zombiu and the integrated messages in stuff like NSMBU, they basically made demon's souls the console. if it gets a decent stream of exclusives then i can see this console being my favourite.there are no moving parts inside apart from the disc drive right? no hdd? thinking about taking it over to a friends house but i'm paranoid it will die.
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also we should totally choose somewhere deserted to be the gaf hangout on miiverse.
abstract alien
Member
I have to admit that the battery life is indeed becoming a problem for me as well. When I first got the console, it wasn't an issue. I just plays a few levels of Mario here, and a section of Zombi there. Now I've grown to love the damn thing and use it at every turn. I pour time into seven games, even use Miiverse when not gaming, netflix streaming, browser...this battery doesn't stand a chance. Especially since I don't really sit in one spot for a long time unless I'm playing Zombi. Even charging it at every moment won't help too much. It's honestly my only downside to the system.
I love everything about it except the fact that I can't love it as much as I want because it will die :^/
I love everything about it except the fact that I can't love it as much as I want because it will die :^/
Annoying Old Party Man
Member
So I have my Wii U since yesterday.
The GamePad is an awesome device - what is missing is some streaming/media player capabilities and it can replace my tablet for all I know.
The UI reaaaaally needs to become faster, it's 2005 levels slow
I think I'm the least excited I've ever be about a new console, though I've played with the system since summer so it makes some sense. Also I haven't even booted a game yet, messed around with Trine a little
The GamePad is an awesome device - what is missing is some streaming/media player capabilities and it can replace my tablet for all I know.
The UI reaaaaally needs to become faster, it's 2005 levels slow
I think I'm the least excited I've ever be about a new console, though I've played with the system since summer so it makes some sense. Also I haven't even booted a game yet, messed around with Trine a little
Duallusion
Member
Console needs a sleep/suspend function and pad needs to turn off the screen when not in use (or via a button press), not just dim it. Then and only then will it reach its full potential.
Annoying Old Party Man
Member
By the way, is there a community thread? Where do we find other gaffers or give our nind?
Took me a little more than 5h yesterday, doesn't this qualify for 'too long'? You're probably lucky there's not too many people updating as you today...
That being said, after the update, I love every bit of Wii U and NSMBWU (damn, they should find a new name for those games ^_^ )
Edit: not that everything is perfect, UI is indeed a bit slow (not terrible, though), disc should stop spinning when not in use, a switch off option for the pad would be welcome and battery life is short so you have to keep the charger at hand. Apart the last point, it shpuld be corrected soon, I hope...
Really? In that case maybe I should put security back on my WiFi because that was the only issue I had after manually connecting this console.
Software updates still take some time though. The servers seem to be getting hammered.
And what the hell is up with this overscanning? Hey Ninty, you know you should use safe margins? Not everyone has a HDTV with 1:1 in 720p
abstract alien
Member
Well, not saying I disagree with everything, but forcing every game to run on the gamepad in off tv mode would destroy gameplay options. We wouldn't get stuff like Zombi U or Nintendo Land as they were intended. That would be a horrible idea in my opinion. Worse than the battery life situation.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I hope Ninty patch Pro Controller support in to NSMBU.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
At the moment the only really serious issue I have with the OS is the speed, and the Friends List vs. Miiverse. Miiverse, as a platform and service, I think is very cool. And I feel the UI is just fine. Speed needs to me improved, as I'd like it to be a constant, something instantly accessible while playing. Friends List just seems completely and utterly pointless as a separate application. Pretty much everything Friends List is in Miiverse, with added functionality and information. I guess maybe it's there for people who cannot/will not use Miiverse but want a friends list? I don't know.
Macho Madness
Member
They'd have to rework parts of the game, so it's unlikely.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Well they better get to work, then.
I had terrible trouble trying to get past an error yesterday with creating a Nintendo network ID. In the end I got past it by removing the existing saved connection and creating a brand new connection doing the 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 DNS with a static IP.
No problems whatsoever now thank goodness. I downloaded Trine 2, Little Inferno, Nano Assault and Puddle. I had great fun burning things in bed with Little Inferno last night.
No problems whatsoever now thank goodness. I downloaded Trine 2, Little Inferno, Nano Assault and Puddle. I had great fun burning things in bed with Little Inferno last night.
That's also true.
Perhaps a better middle ground would be for Nintendo to demand things be usable with the TV on or off unless the publisher makes a strong case for why it has to use both. Of course, seeing how Nintendo approached it with their own stuff, the eShop, System Menu and MiiPlaza I figure Nintendo's idea of "strong" differs a hell of a lot from mine.
But Nintendo ditching the Gamepad's not really an option because then it's just another console which'll likely be overpowered handedly by it's competitors next year and likely won't really "look" better than the current consoles until next year or later as well so it needs that hook. Bad.
At this point, if I just look at it as a Nintendo console for just Nintendo games I think the system will do fine but I can't imagine it being my only system or choosing a multiplatform game on it as opposed to another system because otherwise I find the system frustrating to use. It requires too much "premeditation" to play it with the gamepad. I guess I could go back to wires and just not use the dock but that kind of sucks, or one could buy an extra dock and place it closer for the times you're done but don't feel like putting it back up but don't want it dead the next day.
Luckily for me I'm not actually a huge fan of the gamepad anyways so if Nintendo wanted they could actually please me and make all the system stuff usable with the Pro Controller through a software update. I get that some games designed specifically around the pad wouldn't work but that wouldn't piss me off any more than not being able to play a lightgun game without a lightgun. Unlike some I don't care much about system specs so if it offers Nintendo games in HD that's roughly equal to today's systems I'm down with that!
But I can't make the gamepad work with my playstyle, I essentially play no games all week until my days off and then play a lot, the gamepad's battery just does not cut it. After already spending 60 bucks on a Pro Controller to offset that problem I'd be pretty miffed if I also needed to buy an extended battery or an updated pad later. I don't really want to spend any more on hardware for the thing. I do hope they address it somehow though for people who play long stretches like me but do like the gamepad but I in no way can ever absolve them of the situation because I find a mere 3 to 4 hours of life for a console controller to be downright criminal in a way. If customers will overlook it and buy a new battery or pad anyways good for Nintendo but I'm done with the pad.
i was referring to the actual installation, not the download of the patch =P
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
So I've got the update going... slowly.
It does like 4%, crashes, 4%, crashes. Thank FUCK that it resumes.
My girlfriend is currently doing the wonderful job of putting it to go back on every time it fails.
Hardly a great first impression of the console, Nintendo.
It does like 4%, crashes, 4%, crashes. Thank FUCK that it resumes.
My girlfriend is currently doing the wonderful job of putting it to go back on every time it fails.
Hardly a great first impression of the console, Nintendo.
polyh3dron
Banned
yeah these load times in between menus and stuff is not fucking cool. and I have little faith in it being fixed.
but i am enjoying the hell out of NSMBU surprisingly as well as nintendoland.
but i am enjoying the hell out of NSMBU surprisingly as well as nintendoland.
Captain Smoker
Member
Download worked fine for me yesterday. I updated everything in 40 minutes (big update and Nintendo Land update) (16 Mbit/s), no connection problems.
But the OS should be faster.
But the OS should be faster.
I just want a HD Nintendo console.
I'm tired of gimmicks. Just give me full pro usability man! I'm not asking for much!
Mirroring what's happening on the tv should be an option, I don't want the battery life to be constantly draining for no reason at all. It's a ware of energy and harms the environment.
The amount of touch you need to use, stylus control was a big mistake! Do they think we have 3 arms?
I'm tired of gimmicks. Just give me full pro usability man! I'm not asking for much!
Mirroring what's happening on the tv should be an option, I don't want the battery life to be constantly draining for no reason at all. It's a ware of energy and harms the environment.
The amount of touch you need to use, stylus control was a big mistake! Do they think we have 3 arms?
Once you search, press down and it'll move to the selection....
I agree with that, that's all I want too.
That said, I'm not against Nintendo's idea just their execution. I think it'd be a big boon for Nintendo to not only be able to serve the hardcore market but also capitalize on the casual market and offer experiences close to a tablet or cellphone and with flexible eShop pricing they should be able to do that. There's several games I'd actually want them to do that I think would totally benefit from the gamepad too, like an Ouendan with DLC constantly added, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem and others, I'm not against touch. But once they knew what the life of the gamepad would be they should have known they were creating a situation where a lot of people would run into the battery during normal usage and at the very least made an effort to make everything sans games that would naturally require the gamepad be usable with the Pro Controller.
Miiverse seems to be web based. I know because yesterday it had trouble loading pics. Not sure what caused it. Browser cache or unstable connection. Today, everything seems to be fine. Good, because Miiverse is great. Didn't expect so many people posting drawings. Also interesting to compare community sizes.
I think it was in one of the directs. The longer one telling about Miiverse and other online related things
There's supposed to be, eventually we should be able to access the shop via the web too. Can't wait to see what maddening limitations Nintendo does for the various versions, maybe requiring a physical keyboard to type in search entries on touch phones. Here's hoping Nintendo doesn't disappoint.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
At the moment, I think this is the worst first impression I've ever had with a console:
- Refusing to update/connect correctly to internet.
- The gamepad battery was basically dead on arrival, meaning I had to charge it before I could play anything.
- The OS is painfully slow. At least I don't have any apps etc yet due to not being online so I'm not using it that much, I guess?
- NSMBU forces you to use last gen controllers in co-op. Why would anybody want to use the brand new controller they just paid a lot for? Let's use the old stuff for no good reason!
Sigh. I really understand the frustration of the Giant Bomb stream now. Console launches shouldn't be like this.
- Refusing to update/connect correctly to internet.
- The gamepad battery was basically dead on arrival, meaning I had to charge it before I could play anything.
- The OS is painfully slow. At least I don't have any apps etc yet due to not being online so I'm not using it that much, I guess?
- NSMBU forces you to use last gen controllers in co-op. Why would anybody want to use the brand new controller they just paid a lot for? Let's use the old stuff for no good reason!
Sigh. I really understand the frustration of the Giant Bomb stream now. Console launches shouldn't be like this.
Yet almost always are.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
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I've had consoles at launch for the last three gens. I encountered none of these problems.
360, Wii and PS3 all worked fine out of the gate. Improved over time, of course, but nothing like this. Internet set up fine, controllers all worked, the OS were quick...
Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox were just plug in and play.
Going back further it was all just plug in and play.
Yep, at first I thought it was some kinda of filter YouTube just for Nintendo cos nothing was showing up.
I think the search is fucked?
I can deal with the slowness of the OS for now but my biggest problem is how broken it all is. Everything is a separate app, it doesn't feel like its connected to the net and my mates are all around etc. it feels like how Sony implemented PSN on vita but Sony did that to save battery life...what's nintnedos excuse?
Really? I've had essentially every console at launch except the Xbox and 360, none of them were like this.
In fact what you said is "almost always" false. Traditional launches had zero frustration aside from waiting for more games to come out, you bought one, brought it home and played it. That's how it worked. For decades. You didn't have a dead battery in your controller because it was wired. Until this generation. I guess you could claim having to worry about replacing the cmos battery though for some of them but that sure as hell didn't come dead out of the box. You could use more than one of the joysticks at the same time too! You didn't have to download a day one update for your 2600 through Compuserve. Connecting to the internet was also not a problem because, well, most couldn't excluding weird shit like Xband and odd Nintendo experiments until the Xbox and Dreamcast. And even then firmware updates weren't really a thing until this generation.
Nintendo I think is the very first to just only allow one actual controller at one time.
I think that this is actually the most fucked up launch ever from a consumer standpoint. Not logistically or strategically but just from the point of view of the consumer. I also think it's how things will be going forward sadly. Experiences like this make me question the point of consoles to begin with.
This really pisses me off.
I wanted to play it with my brother, I have the gamepad and pro controller, why the fuck can't we do 2 player
I don't have a wiimote and I'm not buying one just for it. Pro controller has all the right buttons so it should work.
It boggles my fucking mind.
With lithium batteries you should always fully charge before using it for the first time.
The Elite
BOSS
Well, it seems they added servers since the NA launch. Simple as that.
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