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[samoilaaa]

I have a 1080 ti atm and im planning to upgrade , i would like to buy a 4070 ti but i would also like to wait until 50 series and buy a 5070

the 1080 ti lasted for a long time , and still does play games at decent fps so i would like my next gpu to last me just as much

the only problem that i can think of is VRAM , maybe 12 gb wont be enough in a couple of years

So what should i do ? Buy 4070 ti or wait for 5070 ti ?

EDIT : i have enough money for a 4080 , is it a wiser choice ? 4090 is out of the question , in my country its double the price

 

[amigastar]

Hard to say, the 5070 Ti sounds awesome on Paper (probably 18gb ram)
The 4070 Ti only has 12 gb ram. Ikd man tough decision.
That said the 4070 Ti should last you 4-5 years on 1080p/1440p.

 

[Schmick]

What makes up the rest of your PC (CPU, RAM etc?)

 

[bbeach123]

It will be enough but 5070ti sound good .

 

[samoilaaa]

What makes up the rest of your PC (CPU, RAM etc?)

3900x , 32 gb ram ddr4 , samsung 990 ssd

 

[alucard0712_rus]

PC have separate RAM and VRAM pools so I think 12gb of VRAM is enough to accomodate PS5 games which is RAM+VRAM combined.
Also NVIA uses lossless memory compression so it less VRAM consuming than AMD.

 

[Zotaku]

Why rule out AMD? It's a clear no-brainer with the 7900 XT. 20 Gigs of v-ram and in terms of value it beats Nvidia by several lengths.

And no, 12 GB is not future proof in the least. Why gimp yourself with Nvidia's planned obsolescence.

And if you're willing to settle for slightly less performance but REAL bang for your buck(in the current market at least)....go for the 7800 XT, come September 6.

 

[T4keD0wN]

the only problem that i can think of is VRAM , maybe 12 gb wont be enough in a couple of years
So what should i do ? Buy 4070 ti or wait for 5070 ti ?

VRAM likely wont be much of an issue (often) if you wont do 4k or install those 4k texture packs.
Games will still be made to run on xsx and ps5 first somehow and pc second (which still only have 16gb of combined vram+ram while you will have 44gb)
Lots of studios seem to be switching to UE5 which wont require a high amount of vram and even if it isnt enough you can switch the textures to (very) high instead of ultra and you still have dlss to help.
There are other settings than just ultra and you will likely have to get used to them if you want a card to last 4-5 years as shitty as that might sound given how expensive gpus are.

 

[yanhash]

Yes.

 

[Soodanim]

Hard to say, the 5070 Ti sounds awesome on Paper

There's something on paper? I haven't heard anything about the 50 series

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

@OP you have better options if you're looking to save some money

That GPU will in no way last you as long as the 1080Ti, which was a fantastic card for it's time.
If you want to keep it mid-range you'd be better off with a used 6800XT or above if you find it for a good price. Save the money now and upgrade again in 2/3 years time if needed.

 

[amigastar]

There's something on paper? I haven't heard anything about the 50 series

I've just seen a youtube video where there was said the 5070 will probably have 18 gb of ram

 

[PeteBull]

So what should i do ? Buy 4070 ti or wait for 5070 ti ?

Always depends on ur budget, but since u got 11gigs vram 1080ti i can tell u are high end gamer, that 12gigs 4070(0 point to go for 4070ti since its not that much more powerful and has same ram/bus with) u either got 2 choices- if u got some game(games) u wanna play asap and are hyped about, get 4070, or bit more expensive rx 7900xt(20gigs of vram will come handy).

If u playing older/less demanding games/got big backlog and arent hyped for anything in near future, u can wait bit longer and get urself 5070/5070ti/5080 depending on what those cards gonna offer price/perf(or maybe amd shows something good midrange too).

Ofc there is always nuclear option aka going for 4090, then u will not lack performance, vram or rt capabilities, but question is- will ur wallet be able to handle it?

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1080-ti.c2877 here is where ur gpu stands perfomance wise, avg so u can clearly see what u want/need and specs of each gpu( u mentioning 4-5 years and 1440p, im guessing u wont want to downgrade texture quality, which means 4070 might be too weak and u will need upgrade to 50xx series tho).

 

[Damigos]

I would say yes
I play Dragonflight at 4k almost 40-60 with my gtx970. Of course without max settings

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Buy a lower end GPU and upgrade more often.

That makes more sense to me.

 

[Soodanim]

I have a 1080 ti atm and im planning to upgrade , i would like to buy a 4070 ti but i would also like to wait until 50 series and buy a 5070

the 1080 ti lasted for a long time , and still does play games at decent fps so i would like my next gpu to last me just as much

the only problem that i can think of is VRAM , maybe 12 gb wont be enough in a couple of years

So what should i do ? Buy 4070 ti or wait for 5070 ti ?

Straight away I can say the 4070 isn't going to last as long as the 1080ti has, that was a future-proofed card and those don't come along every year.

I'm also keeping an eye on the ~70 range, but these current prices are extortionate especially with the disappointing specs. If I were you I'd wait for 50 series unless you want to jump to AMD.

 

[Black_Stride]

The RTX 5070 is likely only coming out in a 2025....maybe even 2026 if they stagger release as they usually do.

Mate the RTX 4070Ti will have paid for itself by then, just grab it now and enjoy high framerate gaming for when the PS5Pro comes out and you actually need the power of the RTX50s.

Dont worry about VRAM, there will be outlier games obviously, but in generally 99% of the games you want to play will run perfectly well.

 

[PeteBull]

The RTX 5070 is likely only coming out in a 2025....maybe even 2026 if they stagger release as they usually do.

Mate the RTX 4070Ti will have paid for itself by then, just grab it now and enjoy high framerate gaming for when the PS5Pro comes out and you actually need the power of the RTX50s.

Dont worry about VRAM, there will be outlier games obviously, but in generally 99% of the games you want to play will run perfectly well.

It all depends what kind of gamer he is, his 1080ti if he bought it few years after launch means he is midrange gamer, willing to reduce settings/make compromises, but if he is guy who bought 1080ti at launch that means he wants top end quality, 4070 is not enough to have that in 1440p for 4-5years, gotta be honest there.
Look how demanding those non crossgen games can be, and its today, in 4-5 years that will be on a whole other lvl

 

[Rickyiez]

Nope, the 4070 Ti is barely faster than last gen equivalent.

The 1080 Ti was a rare gem, it's almost twice as fast as 980 Ti, same speed as most of the newer card like RTX2080, Radeon 7, 5700XT that came after it.

 

[Denton]

That depends entirely on what framerate and resolution you want to target. If you target 60fps in 1440p and are willing to use DLSS, 4070Ti will likely easily carry you next 4 years, maybe 5.

If you want to target 4K or 120+fps, then you will have troubles in two years, probably.

 

[Bernoulli]

for the same price get a 7900 XTX , with FSR3 you are set for few years

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I'd go with the 4070ti personally especially as it has great RT perf and also DLSS 3.5

 

[Bernoulli]

I'd go with the 4070ti personally especially as it has great RT perf and also DLSS 3.5

even with RT on the 7900xtx is ahead
and without RT in some games you have 30 fps more than the 4070ti

 

[draliko]

I was in the same spot and in the end got a 7900xt for 800€, the 4070ti goes for about 700€ new and amd simply seemed a better deal. I'm think 4070ti should be enough at 1440p for the rest of this gen, but don't expect 1080ti longevity, expecially now that we're moving into a game engine revolution.

 

[Black_Stride]

It all depends what kind of gamer he is, his 1080ti if he bought it few years after launch means he is midrange gamer, willing to reduce settings/make compromises, but if he is guy who bought 1080ti at launch that means he wants top end quality, 4070 is not enough to have that in 1440p for 4-5years, gotta be honest there.
Look how demanding those non crossgen games can be, and its today, in 4-5 years that will be on a whole other lvl

If he wanted "top end quality" he wouldnt be looking at a 4070Ti.

for the same price get a 7900 XTX , with FSR3 you are set for few years

This is true actually.
Get a 7900XTX much faster in raster than the 4070Ti (matches or beats the RTX 4080), better performance in RayTracing and FSR3 support likely to outdo DLSS 3.5.

The 4070Ti has no advantages over the 7900XTX especially with 7900XTXs constantly going on sale.

 

[HL3.exe]

It all depends what kind of gamer he is, his 1080ti if he bought it few years after launch means he is midrange gamer, willing to reduce settings/make compromises, but if he is guy who bought 1080ti at launch that means he wants top end quality, 4070 is not enough to have that in 1440p for 4-5years, gotta be honest there.
Look how demanding those non crossgen games can be, and its today, in 4-5 years that will be on a whole other lvl

Don't forget, that game runs sub 480p upscaled on Series S, and 720p upscaled on the bigger brothers.

It's a optimization dumpster fire for sure, and I'll rather wait for more current gen only games to release to get a better picture of performance demand.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

even with RT on the 7900xtx is ahead
and without RT in some games you have 30 fps more than the 4070ti

Isn't the comparison a bit unfair though? The 7900XTX competes with the RTX 4080 and not the 4070ti.

 

[Denton]

even with RT on the 7900xtx is ahead
and without RT in some games you have 30 fps more than the 4070ti

I would not say 7900XT/X is a bad card, but personally I would also go nVidia despite lower raster perf and memory.
RT will be more and more prominent in upcoming games, and I would always want to play with it when possible + ray reconstruction will likely result in significantly higher image quality with RT enabled compared to AMD.

 

[Bernoulli]

Isn't the comparison a bit unfair though? The 7900XTX competes with the RTX 4080 and not the 4070ti.

not if they are close in price, and7900 xtx is way ahead of the 4070ti in everything

 

[Djin1980]

Hello everyone,

I'm also contemplating upgrading from my RTX 2080. My current CPU is a 9700K, so I'm curious whether it might bottleneck a potential RTX 4080 upgrade. My primary focus is on VR and sim racing games at a resolution of 3440x1440@120FPS.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

not if they are close in price, and7900 xtx is way ahead of the 4070ti in everything

But they're not in the same price bracket. Cheapest 4070ti on Newegg is $800 and the cheapest 7900XTX is $950. Also, DLSS is way better than FSR at the minute from an image quality point of view, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[supernova8]

Your 3900x will probably bottleneck the 4070 Ti (in certain titles) compared to something like the 5800X3D, which could be a direct slot-in replacement assuming you have a B450 motherboard or better (after a BIOS update that is).

Get yourself the 4070 Ti and then eventually (after a few years) when you're feeling the heat, drop some money on the 5800X3D (which should be way cheaper by then anyway).

 

[samoilaaa]

That depends entirely on what framerate and resolution you want to target. If you target 60fps in 1440p and are willing to use DLSS, 4070Ti will likely easily carry you next 4 years, maybe 5.

If you want to target 4K or 120+fps, then you will have troubles in two years, probably.

60 fps is enough for me , for indie games i can play 1080p no problem , if its a game that looks spectacular i would like 1440p , i could lower settings to high and use dlss+fg

 

[samoilaaa]

Your 3900x will probably bottleneck the 4070 Ti (in certain titles) compared to something like the 5800X3D, which could be a direct slot-in replacement assuming you have a B450 motherboard or better (after a BIOS update that is).

Get yourself the 4070 Ti and then eventually (after a few years) when you're feeling the heat, drop some money on the 5800X3D (which should be way cheaper by then anyway).

i dont need high end cpu because im not targeting extreme high fps , 45-60 is enough for me

 

[samoilaaa]

even with RT on the 7900xtx is ahead
and without RT in some games you have 30 fps more than the 4070ti

i thought about amd but the consumption is very high , around 100W more than 4070

 

[supernova8]

i dont need high end cpu because im not targeting extreme high fps , 45-60 is enough for me

Sure you don't need to upgrade your CPU right away.

I'm saying that you could get your 4070 Ti, see a major boost over the 1080 Ti and then later upgrade your CPU to a 5800X3D (basically the best CPU you can possibly get for gaming while staying on AM4, ie not having to upgrade your entire PC) and likely get another big boost. This will be especially true as games become more CPU-bound in the next few years (because console CPUs are much closer to PC now).

Alternatively, you could even sell your 3900X, "downgrade" it to something like a 5600X (which beats 3900X in gaming) and put the cash saved toward your GPU (either making the 4070 Ti cheaper or freeing up money to buy something even beefier).

 

[Black_Stride]

Don't forget, that game runs sub 480p upscaled on Series S, and 720p upscaled on the bigger brothers.

It's a optimization dumpster fire for sure, and I'll rather wait for more current gen only games to release to get a better picture of performance demand.

Thats the cost of Nanite, Lumen and a ton of Niagara effects running at 60fps, if those technologies and that framerate become the norm, then expect more titles to run at that resolution.
Ascendant are actually a really talented group and they know that tech pretty well.

People assumed "wrongly" that Global Illumination a ton of particle effects and Nanite were gonna be free or something.....heck naw.
Calling that game an optimization dumpster fire is not even disingenuous.............its straight nonsense.
They are gonna do a mini GDC-esc talk about using UE5.1 soon and everyone interested in UE5 is champing at the bit to hear what they have to say cuz the fact they got the game to 60 at all on PS5/XSX is an achievement.

 

[PeteBull]

Hello everyone,

I'm also contemplating upgrading from my RTX 2080. My current CPU is a 9700K, so I'm curious whether it might bottleneck a potential RTX 4080 upgrade. My primary focus is on VR and sim racing games at a resolution of 3440x1440@120FPS.

Like ppl mentioned i would go for rx 7900xt or rx 7900xtx, for vr/sim racing u dont need to fork up additional cash to get best possible rt that 4090 has, again look at how gpu hierarhy looks atm and chose big upgrade vs ur current rtx 2080 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080.c3224

New Forza is coming soon so ofc u will want some beefy specs, cpu wise u will most likely still be fine in racing games 120fps, altho i remember some racing sims scale extremly well with strong cpu, here example

 

[HL3.exe]

Thats the cost of Nanite, Lumen and a ton of Niagara effects running at 60fps, if those technologies and that framerate become the norm, then expect more titles to run at that resolution.
Ascendant are actually a really talented group and they know that tech pretty well.

People assumed "wrongly" that Global Illumination a ton of particle effects and Nanite were gonna be free or something.....heck naw.
Calling that game an optimization dumpster fire is not even disingenuous.............its straight nonsense.
They are gonna do a mini GDC-esc talk about using UE5.1 soon and everyone interested in UE5 is champing at the bit to hear what they have to say cuz the fact they got the game to 60 at all on PS5/XSX is an achievement.

Sure I get ya, but spending resources on micro polygons that i'm barely able to see the meaningful difference, let alone appreciate while playing, and it tanking on drawcalls is not worth it in my opinion.

Spent that horsepower on something worthwhile dynamic like accurate collision detection or anything interactable, instead on static environments again. The only thing I see value in is their dynamic global illumination solution, but even then it's used in the same static (baked looking) manner, so what's the point of doing it all in real-time (apart from it speeding up development pipelines, but the consumer shouldn't have to care about that) if it tanks performance hard.

Edit: as someone who follows tech development for the last 20 year, the focus this generation is leaning into is impressive, but doesn't feel meaningful for the end user experience.

 

[LostDonkey]

I'm still using a 1070 @ 1440p from launch day in 2016 so I'm sure going forward you'll be fine OP

 

[PeteBull]

I'm still using a 1070 @ 1440p from launch day in 2016 so I'm sure going forward you'll be fine OP

In a week there is amd's rx 7800xt launching at 500$ msrp, 16gigs of vram, in raster roughly rtx 4070 power lvl, would be perfect upgrade for a player like u who keeps his gpu for many years and aims at midrange best value.

 

[Denton]

60 fps is enough for me , for indie games i can play 1080p no problem , if its a game that looks spectacular i would like 1440p , i could lower settings to high and use dlss+fg

If you get 4070Ti and 5800X3D, your old PC will suddenly feel like a brand new PC. Speaking from experience.

 

[nkarafo]

Buy a lower end GPU and upgrade more often.

That makes more sense to me.

It did in the past. But now a lot of lower end GPUs are DOA (while costing more at the same time).

 

[LostDonkey]

In a week there is amd's rx 7800xt launching at 500$ msrp, 16gigs of vram, in raster roughly rtx 4070 power lvl, would be perfect upgrade for a player like u who keeps his gpu for many years and aims at midrange best value.

My CPU would bottleneck it.

I cap all my games at 36fps so I'll be fine for a while yet

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I don't think so.

 

[hlm666]

not if they are close in price, and7900 xtx is way ahead of the 4070ti in everything

it's ahead of the 7900xtx in the very video you linked in the cyberpunk RT part.

 

[PeteBull]

My CPU would bottleneck it.

I cap all my games at 36fps so I'll be fine for a while yet

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xsdvY9 Good and affordable upgrade for u then, depending on what u got u could even reuse ur old ram or sell old ram and buy that new one, will last u till end of current gen consoles, and again depending on cpu cooler u can get something new or re-use or old one, for gaming this cpu wont get too hot on decent air cooler even

 

[MikeM]

12 GB of Vram for that price is insulting. 4080 is the minimum I would go, but I bought the 7900xt.

 

[crackajack]

Unless we expect an actually new gen, not Pro Xs, of consoles and a new more demanding Unreal Engine built for those in that timeframe, I would say the current Unreal specs, therefore kinda the average game, won't change that much for the foreseeable future. So anything around 2080 should be at least making the min. requirement level.

The gap between top, where increasingly many people are willing to pay what previously where entire PCs just for a GPU, and people wanting just good enough parts is widening and you can't just leave too many medium and entry cards behind, when the improvements are increasingly less obvious. The bigger cuts will have to be aligned with new console gens to make any actual jump work for the mass market.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Yes you'll be 100% fine. Majority of gamers are still playing with 8GB and they aint complaining. Look at the stats on steam. Dont let gaf fool you. Gaf is the kind of guy that will tell you need need OLED, 32 GB RAM, else you arent a real gamer and games dont work for you. Besides the fact that the future is heading towards AI with DLSS 3.5, FSR 3, highly unlikely games will ever need to surpass high VRAM requirements and those that do are unoptimized turds that you shouldnt touch at launch.