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Winter Anime 2016 |OT| Celebrating the New Year and PSO2's release in the west!
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As in there's more of the nonsense with underage characters or it's just not as good as Bake?
hosannainexcelsis
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Both.
The director of Bakemonogatari, Tatsuya Oishi, has been absent from the franchise until he has finally reemerged this year with the Kizumonogatari movies, so bear in mind that the rest of the TV Monogatari entries are going to be different from Bake without his fingerprint on them.
Rakugo 2
I liked the contrast between the present Bon's rakugo and his past. Even the way he manipulates his body during the performance is so stiff in the past compared to how animated he is in the first episode. And he talks so fast like hes shitting himself just trying to finish while in the present he pauses and is very considered and deliberate.Its an interesting skill to able to carry a story and involve an audience using just your voice, facials and upper part of your body.
There were a few little visual touches in the performance and they were nice but I almost think they were unnecessary. Its captivating enough just watching the performance as is.
Is like to see what a real rakugo performance looks like just for comparison and reference sake.
I liked the contrast between the present Bon's rakugo and his past. Even the way he manipulates his body during the performance is so stiff in the past compared to how animated he is in the first episode. And he talks so fast like hes shitting himself just trying to finish while in the present he pauses and is very considered and deliberate.Its an interesting skill to able to carry a story and involve an audience using just your voice, facials and upper part of your body.
There were a few little visual touches in the performance and they were nice but I almost think they were unnecessary. Its captivating enough just watching the performance as is.
Is like to see what a real rakugo performance looks like just for comparison and reference sake.
PdotMichael
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Kizumonogatari Part 1
I was already pretty hyped after watching all the PVs, CMs and reading a bunch of the impressions.
But the movie easily exceeded all of my expections.
My two favourite scenes were the opening scene with Araragi as
and the banter between Araragi and Hanekawa which also includes the
.
I hope Aniplex doesn't wait until all parts are finished before releasing the first and second parts on BD, I want to rewatch it so badly.
(my face while watching Kizumonogatari)
I was already pretty hyped after watching all the PVs, CMs and reading a bunch of the impressions.
But the movie easily exceeded all of my expections.
My two favourite scenes were the opening scene with Araragi as
living torch
Araragi goes to the bookstore to buy a pornmag scene - I'm a sucker if animation and live action footage are mixed
I hope Aniplex doesn't wait until all parts are finished before releasing the first and second parts on BD, I want to rewatch it so badly.
Ah right. That's a shame.
I'm going to start Nise tonight anyway. The series still has too many strong points for me to not go ahead with it, despite the not so good bits.
PdotMichael
Banned
All the knee-jerks reactions everytime people want to watch Nise is maybe one of the more toxic things here.
Hold onto that resolve.
Nise is generally good. It's not as good as Bake, but other than the fan service, I doubt you'll notice much of a change compared to Bake. Just the fact that it leads to 2nd season is enough of a reason to watch it.
hosannainexcelsis
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If someone is planning on moving from Bakemonogatari to Nisemonogatari, it's worth letting them know that Nise has watered-down direction, weaker writing, and a higher level of sexual content, so they can come in with the right expectations instead of being unpleasantly surprised as I was when I watched it during its initial airing.
I would actually disagree with this notion that Nise is not that that different. Having gone through most of this franchise at this point I am actually shocked at how different it is, the tone and the style and the characters all felt much more exaggerated in this season. RIght down to how the title cards presented.
PdotMichael
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Stating the change of director etc. is not the same as telling everyone how shit Nise is again and again like a broken record.
People can watch Nise just fine without all the noise.
I will tell people Nise is a case of seasonal rot because that is the conclusion I reached after watching the thing and almost quitting the franchise. Seriously, Nise really ruined Araragi as a character to the point where I was
actively cheering him getting ripped apart by the immortal hunters because I was just so sick and tired of him being a creepy molesting pervert towards the entire female cast.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Bubuki Buranki OP(not finished?)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ms63t
Bubuki Buranki ED
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3msa9f
The OP is done by Imaishi Hiroyuki btw.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ms63t
Bubuki Buranki ED
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3msa9f
The OP is done by Imaishi Hiroyuki btw.
I'd argue that Bake feels the most different.
I suppose a case could be made for Bake as well but no other season feels like Nise good or bad.
hosannainexcelsis
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Those old Gainax connections.
It doesn't look unfinished to me, just standard and unremarkable.
Dedication Through Light
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Luck & Logic Episode 2
The VR world stuff was pretty fantastic. Great camera angles during the fight and everyone looks so stylish. Yoshichika is still one of the better leads this season.
Actually I think this would be with my 2nd or 3rd favorite anime this season. The logicalist and covenater thing is intriguing, the backstory presented during the 500 question test was actually something that made me care for the world and the backstory, and the handling of the trance/trancjack stuff didnt feel unnatural or illogical.
Olga Breakchild/Yoshichika interests going through this episode made things gripping and the payoff was pretty worth it
This episode I could finally see that it is Tatsuya Katou who is doing the OST, as usual the music is awesome.
The VR world stuff was pretty fantastic. Great camera angles during the fight and everyone looks so stylish. Yoshichika is still one of the better leads this season.
Actually I think this would be with my 2nd or 3rd favorite anime this season. The logicalist and covenater thing is intriguing, the backstory presented during the 500 question test was actually something that made me care for the world and the backstory, and the handling of the trance/trancjack stuff didnt feel unnatural or illogical.
Olga Breakchild/Yoshichika interests going through this episode made things gripping and the payoff was pretty worth it
I laughed at how everyone had been going around the issues but Yoshichika took it seriously, then when it seemed like Belial was going to be broken out the big reveal happened, that Olga is just a unfortunate 0 
"ha ha ha," poor Yoshichika
"ha ha ha," poor YoshichikaThis episode I could finally see that it is Tatsuya Katou who is doing the OST, as usual the music is awesome.
Maximilian Kolbe
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The latter half of OP is basically recap episode 1.
As someone who doesn't post here much, I would just like to say that I DEFINITELY noticed a change compared to Bake in other things too. The sheer drop in quality of everything was immediately noticeable. The direction was worse, the stories and dialogue felt much more pointless, there was much less character development and I didn't like the music that much either. It's just that the fan service tends to overshadow pretty much everything else since it is much more in-your-face than other things.
Not trying to dissuade people from watching the show, but it seems a bit silly to pretend that fan service is the only thing wrong with Nise.
PdotMichael
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Basically all events in the second season and final season are directly related to Nisemonogatari. That's the textbook example of pointless.
veloxStrix
Banned
I like this guy.
The constant "Have fun trying to survive Nise!" every time someone new is watching through the series is a little obnoxious, especially considering it still has an 8.23 on MAL. Nise is probably objectively worse than Bake because it leads into a lot of other stuff and not very many of the conflicts are actually completely resolved. Coming straight from Bake to Nise, there is a noticeable drop in what you can perceive as quality at that point in time, but that hardly makes Nise unwatchable.
Turin Turambar
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So noise = opinions I don't like eh?
PdotMichael
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Well, I feel that doesn't really change the point. Since the author settled on rakugo as the vehicle for the story, obviously it has a huge impact on the details and developments in the actual story once research is done and storytelling flows. But the point is that wanting to tell a period story about apprenticeship, brotherhood between men, the promises made and broken, and wanting to pass on a craft to future generations, are all rather universal themes. It -could- have been about anything, but depending on what it was about, the details would have changed, but the skeleton remains intact.
Rakugo is integral to the series because that's what the series went with. But the important point is that rakugo is not the thing which audiences have to relate to, just something they have to not be completely turned off by. The characters and their motivations drive the dramatic aspects of the story, and once audiences are hooked in, if they're interested, they'll learn something more about something they probably didn't know much about before. I feel in a way Silver Spoon does the same thing with Japanese Agricultural Education. You don't have to be specifically interested in that to like the show, because it's about more than that.
Imaishi already worked with Sanzigen on BRS and other stuff so it's not really that surprising or a big deal. I imagine he'll probably do other stuff like direct episodes.
If it was Yoshinari wasting his time on this, I might be more annoyed but I imagine he's on Kiznaiver.
Imo, Nise tried to do a lot of things. It introduced new characters without giving them a proper story and making them one dimensioned compared to the previous ones. It tried to focus a lot on the sisters but I feel their stories weren't as interesting as almost any previous story. It tries to continue the story but it also wants to feel new and has a very different direction because of this. Yes, it did fail in some aspects. I can see what you're pointing out and I won't try to defend it, but I think Nise still had its moments. I certainly consider it watchable and good, if anything, it's a bit of a shock the first time you watch it after the ride Bake was. It's probably still the weakest of the series for me, but since the first time I watched it, it has grown on me.
Also, talking about how different Nise or Bake are, I'd also argue that every installment feels different. Maybe Nise felt so in a bad way, but even S2 changes compared to S1 and Owari felt even more different than the previous series. I mean, I can't just single out Nise as the odd one.
AquaWateria
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Monogatari female characters in order from best to worst.
Hanekawa=Shinobu>>>>>Kanbaru>others>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Senjogahara
Yeah don't like Senjogahara and will most likely never will. The best part is that she progressively gets less and less screen time in the series from where I stopped.
Although the true winner is Kaiki.
Hanekawa=Shinobu>>>>>Kanbaru>others>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Senjogahara
Yeah don't like Senjogahara and will most likely never will. The best part is that she progressively gets less and less screen time in the series from where I stopped.
Although the true winner is Kaiki.
Dedication Through Light
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Bubuki Buranki Episode 2
Wow definitely in the top 3 of the season. The whole action with both fighting Buranki was pretty epic though Reoko is definitely way out of their league, but I surely believe they will annihilate her at the end of the series or maybe even midway. I had to rewatch it especially
Azuma also has a great smile and is a good lead. Glad he's not a whiny kid character.
OP is fantastic, when they are counting from 1 to 5 and everyone is showing their hands for the numbers, That was very creative (though some moments of the op looked despair inducing).
Wow definitely in the top 3 of the season. The whole action with both fighting Buranki was pretty epic though Reoko is definitely way out of their league, but I surely believe they will annihilate her at the end of the series or maybe even midway. I had to rewatch it especially
when they all finally worked together to deliver the thrust powered bunch of a lifetime
Azuma also has a great smile and is a good lead. Glad he's not a whiny kid character.
OP is fantastic, when they are counting from 1 to 5 and everyone is showing their hands for the numbers, That was very creative (though some moments of the op looked despair inducing).
PdotMichael
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You are free to have your wrong opinoin.
veloxStrix
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I guess I can agree with this.
I actually like Sodachi the best as a character. Her VA, mannerisms, backstory, design - it was all pretty perfect for me. If I could actually imagine a scenario where she steals Araragi from Senjougahara, I would just quit watching a replace the ending with that in my head.
PdotMichael
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AquaWateria
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Well at least you have Senjogahara last lol.
hosannainexcelsis
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Koufuku Graffiti 8
This wasn't a particularly interesting storyboard by Akitoshi Yoyoyama's standards, or even by this show's standards, but it was solid enough to get the point across, especially in motion. The story of Kirin attempting to cook a bento for Ryo's field day, and how that connected back with Ryo's grandmother, was one of the best uses of this series' concept.
This wasn't a particularly interesting storyboard by Akitoshi Yoyoyama's standards, or even by this show's standards, but it was solid enough to get the point across, especially in motion. The story of Kirin attempting to cook a bento for Ryo's field day, and how that connected back with Ryo's grandmother, was one of the best uses of this series' concept.
Bibika Babaku - Episode 2
This is probably the most transparently hollow and cynical wannabe shounen show I've seen in a long time. Everything about it feels cynical and artificially designed to check off boxes which fans are supposed to like, without any of the actual passion and craftsmanship which usually shows in works where creators actually care about what they're making.
Giant Robots - check
Cool Sentient Weapons - check
Clueless lead who believes in the Power of Friendship - check
Dystopian World - check
Four Heavenly Kings - check
Children of a Legendary Hero - check
Tarnished Reputation - check
It's like someone decided to make a TV show using TV Tropes as a guideline, and hired all top designers to join in the project, gave it big production values, but in the end I just feel nothing. There's no heart to this at all, just a bunch of wannabe crap. Fitting that this is Sanzigen's anniversary work, and a huge production from Ultra Super Pictures, because when I think of these companies, I think of cynical guys thinking they can create the next big hit by engineering a show based on what audiences like. Lol.
This is probably the most transparently hollow and cynical wannabe shounen show I've seen in a long time. Everything about it feels cynical and artificially designed to check off boxes which fans are supposed to like, without any of the actual passion and craftsmanship which usually shows in works where creators actually care about what they're making.
Giant Robots - check
Cool Sentient Weapons - check
Clueless lead who believes in the Power of Friendship - check
Dystopian World - check
Four Heavenly Kings - check
Children of a Legendary Hero - check
Tarnished Reputation - check
It's like someone decided to make a TV show using TV Tropes as a guideline, and hired all top designers to join in the project, gave it big production values, but in the end I just feel nothing. There's no heart to this at all, just a bunch of wannabe crap. Fitting that this is Sanzigen's anniversary work, and a huge production from Ultra Super Pictures, because when I think of these companies, I think of cynical guys thinking they can create the next big hit by engineering a show based on what audiences like. Lol.
Dedication Through Light
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Durarara!! X2 The Third Arc Episode 26 Bell the Cat
That Mahouka.
Izaya Anri scene was one of the few scenes that I could tear my head away from the tv from. She couldnt do nothing and he was oh so right.
That Mahouka.
Izaya Anri scene was one of the few scenes that I could tear my head away from the tv from. She couldnt do nothing and he was oh so right.
Why does everyone have to undermine Izaya like that continuously ! Cant he be happy for once?!
Cant he be happy for once?!Brought to you by the writing staff of Under the Dog!
CheapJuice
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Bubuki Buranki - 02
I like big robot punching. There were plenty of cool looking stuff. Shame I don't give a shit about the characters or the story
I like big robot punching. There were plenty of cool looking stuff. Shame I don't give a shit about the characters or the story
Dedication Through Light
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I don't understand any of this. The show hits all the right notes on a scale that hasnt been done in many years for anime vastly exceeding the requirements on your checklist. How could one watch the episode and not be wowed or moved by anything going on seems hard to believe. Perhaps a rewatch is needed as this anime will easily be one of the most revered and remembered for years to come.Bubuki Buranki - 02
This show looks damn great and has some really cool action.
I don't care about any of the characters, so everything they say or do falls completely flat. Stop it. This just doesn't work if the only thing I know about the characters is what archetype they represent.
I think this would have worked a lot better as a season halfway point or something, after the show had spent some time actually introducing the characters and their motivations and all that.
Or what duckroll said.
This show looks damn great and has some really cool action.
But the writing in this is meh at best. While I like the idea behind the Bubuki and Buranki and things started making sense on that front, the characters and dialogue are really bad. Today we learned that there is a second 'avenge dad' story in our hero-party. Who cares.
I don't care about any of the characters, so everything they say or do falls completely flat. Stop it. This just doesn't work if the only thing I know about the characters is what archetype they represent.
I think this would have worked a lot better as a season halfway point or something, after the show had spent some time actually introducing the characters and their motivations and all that.
Or what duckroll said.
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