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Nolan Cinematic Universe is expanding to WWII in 2017.

The McDonalds Kids Meal/Lego tie-ins alone for Dunkirk will make billions.

Dunkirk is gonna be amazing. Nolan's first stab at what is presumably a prestige flick. With Mark Rylance, Tom Hardy and Cillian Murphy in supporting roles. Plus likely zimmers return to a war movie soundtrack...phew

Man BLACKLAC is way too high on that Marvel Kool aid. Thor 3 will cut into justice League? That is like 99% impossible. (If theres even a 1% chance...absolute certainty etc. Etc. Lol)
 
I really think Through The Looking Glass will do poorly. There´s zero buzz around it, I haven´t met a single person who has any interest in watching it. The first one was success because it was the first 3D movie after Avatar and people wanted more of that. Also having Burton as a director helped.
Now this one comes 6 years later, after the big 3D fad has gone a bit over, without Burton and it´s coming out on a crowded summer while the original was released on a slow February.
I can´t see it do more than 500M$ WW.

Oh I know it won't hit the money made by the original. But I really don't see it not doing respectably well either. At the very least I see it making more than enough to be profitable oversees alone.
 
Wasn't the first a huge success? I'm not saying it's common, but it happens.

The first Hangover made $467.5 million. Hangover II is the global record-holder for an R-rated comedy, if you don't count Deadpool. The only thing that comes close is the first Ted, which was $50 million lower.

There's a definite ceiling for R-rated comedies, and it's part of the reason why everyone was blown away by Deadpool's numbers.

Hell, outside of animation, comedy in general is a pretty heavily capped genre at the global box office. A combination of the subjectiveness of humor and the difficulty of different cultures' senses of humor carrying over to international markets.
 

kswiston

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Seems like both might do well according to boxoffice.com. X-Men is projected for a 126 million opening weekend and Alice has a 76 million opening weekend projected.

Memorial Day weekend supported over $300M in business during the 4-day weekend in 2013. It's a pretty big weekend for films, and May isn't too crazy between Civil War and Memorial day this year.
 

Sean C

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Id like to think so. But I think that might be a tough one. First film was huge

If anything it will take some portion of xmen weekend audience
Honestly, I don't think there's a ton of audience overlap there. Alice is basically going for "family film" dollars, particularly female audiences. X-Men is more of a standard superhero film for the PG-13 set.

Though in any contest between the two, I'd favour the X-Men.
 

Mifune

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Too bad Mel is still pretty blacklisted. The world deserves whatever else he has cooked up next (just so long as what is next isn't spousal abuse/bigoted ramblings)

Mel is directing Hacksaw Ridge, a WW2 movie starring Andrew Garfield. Comes out next year maybe?
 

LaNaranja

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Saw Jungle Book today. It is really really beautiful. And the action was fantastic too. The story was also impressively simple and child friendly. You don't usually see kid movies like this. I have never been a fan of any version of the Jungle Book but the visuals in this one are more than worth the price of admission.

Also Miles Ahead opens wide this Friday right? Anyone know how many theaters that is getting? I highly recommend you all check it out. It is not your standard biopic and it never drags its feet. Don Cheadle manages to make Miles Davis come off as a huge piece of shit and yet you never get sick of seeing him on screen. A traditional telling of his story in chronological order like Ray honestly would have just been depressing and draining. I can't wait to see what comes next from Cheadle.
 

J_Viper

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If we are discounting films with comedic aspects (basically 80% of films), no pure comedy has ever broken the $600M barrier. I think the Hangover Pt 2 is the highest grossing comedy of all time, followed by Ted and Meet the Fockers.

The first Hangover made $467.5 million. Hangover II is the global record-holder for an R-rated comedy, if you don't count Deadpool. The only thing that comes close is the first Ted, which was $50 million lower.

There's a definite ceiling for R-rated comedies, and it's part of the reason why everyone was blown away by Deadpool's numbers.

Hell, outside of animation, comedy in general is a pretty heavily capped. A combination of the subjectiveness of humor and the difficulty of different cultures' senses of humor carrying over to international markets.

I see, my mistake. Thanks for the clearing that up guys
 
All of Disney's recent bombs come from their attempts at original live action stuff.

I'm not surprised that they are increasingly becoming a distributor that puts out 5 lines of products (Marvel, Star Wars, The live action fairy tale stuff, Pixar, and Disney Animated) and the odd low budget film.

Legit, my favorite Disney films are the smaller budget dramas. Miracle. The Greatest Game Ever Played. Saving Mr. Banks.

Those are the real MVPs
 
I think Memorial Day weekend is gonna be when the blockbuster craziness of 2016 slows down. Not that I think the two openers will bomb, but I don't expect they'll be viewed as winners either. Thinking it will look something like $70M X-men and $45M Alice for the 3-day.
 
James Bobin is going to do wonders for Alice. I hated the first one but I have complete faith in him directing

Warner brothers call your movie Jungle Book: the Prequel and pray everybody thinks it's related to the Disney one until they realize it too late when Baloo starts singing smells like teen spirit.

Jungle Book Ends B v S. Still want to see the uncut four edition.
 

jackdoe

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Lol Pirates 4 had massive fucking problems and was super over budget and it only missed being the top Pirates movie by like 20 mil

It'll be fine



Did like a billion thanks to the new 3D tax
Pirates 4 was also an awful, awful movie. A truly terrible movie with no redeeming qualities. I can name redeeming qualities in other films I dislike, but I cannot think of anything worth mentioning about On Stranger Tides.
 
Fuck pirates 4. Going from verbinski to rob Marshall was the biggest downgrade. Couldn't even finish it.

I wonder how the new one will be though. New director and I'm down for pirate fuckery if it's fun at least
 

kswiston

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I really can't think of any major films ($500M+) in the past 15 years that have seen their direct sequels have a 50% or larger drop off, even if said sequel was years later than it should have been.

Unless Disney spent $300M on Through the Looking Glass, I don't think it can bomb.

Fuck pirates 4. Going from verbinski to rob Marshall was the biggest downgrade. Couldn't even finish it.

I wonder how the new one will be though. New director and I'm down for pirate fuckery if it's fun at least

Disney should have retired the Pirates series after 4 and relaunched it around 2025 with the original cast to get that 00s kids nostalgia cash. If you keep pumping out shitty sequels, no one is going to care. See Terminator.
 
Pirates 4 was way better than 2 and 3, even though they both had some RIDICULOUS setpieces

Verbinski knows how to create a catastrophe
 

benzy

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Biggest news here is Barbershop 3 has a 92% fresh rating.

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Pirates 4 was also an awful, awful movie. A truly terrible movie with no redeeming qualities. I can name redeeming qualities in other films I dislike, but I cannot think of anything worth mentioning about On Stranger Tides.

Counterpoint: Geoffrey Rush was in it.

Terrible movie otherwise though, I agree.

(I've grown to appreciate Pirates 2 and 3, though I also never found the original particularly interesting.)
 

Kusagari

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Pirates 2 and 3 both have good scenes lost in movies that are way too long and bloated.

I cannot remember a single thing about Pirates 4 in comparison.
 
Pirates 4 was way better than 2 and 3, even though they both had some RIDICULOUS setpieces

Verbinski knows how to create a catastrophe
I dunno, for all the flaws 2 and 3 have i enjoy them immensely. At World's End especially has some of the best sequences in the franchise. The finale is a tad bit too long, but it holds up incredibly well.

4 felt incredibly generic, and lacked a lot of the good aspects of 2 and 3, including a good supporting cast that was nowhere to be found aside from Cruz and Rush.
 
I did lol when they brought back that one random sailor dude only for the Spanish guy to shoot him mid-sentence

4 movies and that's how you go out, goddamn (though 3 really fucked up too with the Commodore and Liz's dad)
 
2 and 3, flawed as they are, are interesting enough simply because how fucking weird they are. I don't (just) mean all of the WTF-surrealism with in Pirates 3. More so how a small-scale pirate adventure perfect for Indiana Jones-esque serialization became some bizarre, massive, fantasy epic with gods and monsters. With the East India Trading Company and its squid-man puppet demi-god as the primary villain. The fuck?
 

mreddie

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Saw Barbershop, good film, fits with the current times, Deon Cole is the best character and Nicki "The Ass" Minaj was there as fanservice most of the time.

Also, got to try out the usual theater that now has upscale seating, reclining seating is the shit.
 

jmood88

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2 and 3, flawed as they are, are interesting enough simply because how fucking weird they are. I don't (just) mean all of the WTF-surrealism with in Pirates 3. More so how a small-scale pirate adventure perfect for Indiana Jones-esque serialization became some bizarre, massive, fantasy epic with gods and monsters. With the East India Trading Company and its squid-man puppet demi-god as the primary villain. The fuck?
The first movie was about dead pirates sailing forever to find a magical treasure. The series hasn't strayed from where it started.
 

Sean C

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I'm an unabashed fan of Pirates 2 and 3. Not quite as good as the first, but epic and really interesting. Pirates 4 is boring as hell, though, and serves as a great rebuttal to people who that that what the franchise really needed was to be all about Jack. Knightley and Bloom were a huge part of the success of the films.
 

Sulik2

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Took my Dad to see Batman v Superman today. That was interesting. He likes comic movies, but knows nothing about comics and had never even seen a trailer for B v S and he absolutely loved it. I really think the trailers and expectations affected what people were wanting out of B v S. He really dug Batman and the warehouse sequence. Didn't understand the knightmare at all and really liked Lex Luthor. Thought Wonder Woman was baller and was completely surprised by the reveal.
 
Guys we know nothing about Thor 3 yet. Except that they said that it would be extremely important.

Already we have Hulk and Thor which will put it WELL above any standalone Thor movie. If it's actually good, even better. And then you've got the chance that as our duo travels the galaxy they run into, perhaps the Guardians of said Galaxy? Or maybe the first introduction to Captain Marvel?

Point is, we don't know. After Winter Soldier we definitely weren't betting that Cap3 would be projected for well over $1b.
 
Thor/Hulk buddy-cop action/comedy can (and will) have more appeal than Thor & Loki and uh, a walking fireplace and an elf-thing?

I bet they get the lead out on the marketing side in a serious way.
 

jett

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Fourth weekends for all superhero films opening over $100M

Avengers - $36.7M
Age of Ultron - $21.7M
Iron Man 3 - $19.3M
The Dark Knight Rises - $19.0M
The Dark Knight - $26.1M
Spider-Man 3 - $14.3M
Deadpool - $16.7M
Iron Man 2 - $16.5M
Man of Steel - $11.4M
Spider-Man - $28.5M
X-Men The Last Stand - $7.8M
Iron Man - $13.4M

Batman v Superman - $9.0M

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BLACKLAC

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Guys we know nothing about Thor 3 yet. Except that they said that it would be extremely important.

Already we have Hulk and Thor which will put it WELL above any standalone Thor movie. If it's actually good, even better. And then you've got the chance that as our duo travels the galaxy they run into, perhaps the Guardians of said Galaxy? Or maybe the first introduction to Captain Marvel?

Point is, we don't know. After Winter Soldier we definitely weren't betting that Cap3 would be projected for well over $1b.

The real secret weapon.

And Blanchett.
 
How is $800 Million Worldwide for Batman vs Superman a train wreck? Nearly a billion dollars seems like a lot of money despite the mixed reviews.

There's two things that factor into this.

The first is pure finances. That $800 million doesn't go to Warner Bros directly. Around half goes to the theaters that are showing the film. With a production cost of $250 million and marketing budget of $165 million, you're sitting around $415 million, meaning its possible BvS isn't even in the black yet.

Here's Deadline:

BvS’ worldwide B.O. now stands at $742.8M, inching closer to that $800M mark. Remember, our sources calculated that in order for BvS to turn a minimum profit in the theatrical window, it would need to do about $925M in global ticket sales. Nonetheless, should the film fall short, it should still profit once ancillary markets are counted.

Basically, home and rental should push it over the top, but the theatrical run might not hit the right levels.

Second, it's a matter for expectations. Batman v Superman features Batman, a character that previously had two billion dollar films. The first time Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman hit onscreen should've been an easy win.

You put this in perspective, let's jump outside of movies. Splatoon sold 4 million copies. That's great for Splatoon! If Mario Kart 8 sold that many copies, it'd be a disappointment, because Mario Kart has classically had strong legs and it has a reputation for high sales on any Nintendo platform. Tom Brady has different expectations of him than say... Matt Cassel. Cassel performing like Brady is amazing. Brady performing like... Kirk Cousins... is a horrible disappointment.

Let's bring it on back now. Deadpool was nowhere near expected to make as much money as it did. It was an R-rated action film for a mid-tier character released with little fanfare by its studio, on a budget of $58 million. It's at $758 million right now.

In contrast, Batman v Superman was expected to rule the roost. It was as close to a sure bet as possible. Should've been a billion easy, especially given opening weekend. The problem is opening weekend is based on marketing, but the legs your film has are dependent mostly on its quality. Now, it's looking like maybe $850 million is BvS's top-end, which is far below expectations.

And this is why BvS is a disappointment. Financial costs and expectations for a film with the words "Batman", "Superman", and "Justice" in the title.
 
Disney should have retired the Pirates series after 4 and relaunched it around 2025 with the original cast to get that 00s kids nostalgia cash. If you keep pumping out shitty sequels, no one is going to care. See Terminator.

I agree. Hopefully after the movie next year they can keep it off the radar for a good 10-15 years.

What they can do instead though is greenlight a Monkey Island movie from LucasFilm. Kennedy promised LucasFilm would be doing 2-3 movies a year and they wouldn't all be Star Wars and Indy. Pirates is biting off MI anyways, and I don't care if they make it a different style, i.e. all animated, but just make it happen!

Took my Dad to see Batman v Superman today. That was interesting. He likes comic movies, but knows nothing about comics and had never even seen a trailer for B v S and he absolutely loved it. I really think the trailers and expectations affected what people were wanting out of B v S. He really dug Batman and the warehouse sequence. Didn't understand the knightmare at all and really liked Lex Luthor. Thought Wonder Woman was baller and was completely surprised by the reveal.

Was talking to my parents, they went to see it with my nephew. My mom hated it, was asking, "why are batman and superman fighting anyways? Did they run out of villains for these heroes to fight and now they have to fight each other?". Lol....she was already dreading going to see "Captain America fighting Iron Man"..... My dad and nephew liked it though.
 
The first movie was about dead pirates sailing forever to find a magical treasure. The series hasn't strayed from where it started.

Eh, I think a ghost story and haunted treasure is a fair bit off from an ocean-and-dimension-spanning saga involving a global confederation of pirate lords letting loose the goddess of the sea to help fight their all-out war against the East India Company, the Royal Navy, a mythical ocean devil, and imperialism.


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