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"Xbox Game Pass Standard" is launching in September
Topher
Gold Member
Ah.....ok. Pretty sure you can't downgrade. I'm paying for GPU with rewards points only so as long as I can do that then it is fine, but I may end up selling my Xbox (again) and just doing PC Game Pass at some point.
Microsoft is damn determined to pull the carpet out from under their consoles.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
My ultimate subscription end in August, should I get codes now?
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
XSX the last Xbox console I buy. I hope they start doing day and date on ps5 for everything soon
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
adamsapple
- where are you bro? 
You said multiple times that they will neither increase the price nor introduce a new tier before COD drops, like I kept telling you all that they would.What happened here?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What happened here?
ps I don't think I've ever said there will never be a price increase, kinda impossible for any sub service to stay static for years regardless of any big releases / acquisitions.
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RPS37
Member
There really needs to be a hefty annual discount.
Bridges
Member
Fuck that sucks. I'm an Ultimate subscriber but yeesh, $20 a month is pretty brutal. I expected a price increase but I was hoping it wouldn't be until next year. Get everyone on the hook with CoD and then raise on 'em.
Day 1 going away is major. Is that just for 1st party or is it for Day 1 3rd party as well?
Day 1 going away is major. Is that just for 1st party or is it for Day 1 3rd party as well?
vaibhavpisal
Member
Nydius
Member
If you can still find them cheaply, sure. Nothing’s really changing with Ultimate except the price. But if you can still find it cheaper than retail between now and the day it goes up for existing subscribers, go for it.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
some insightful tib-bits form Tim dog... Man oh man. Xbox deserves to go under only because some dumb people still see Phil Spencer as a good executive trying to save gaming.
bigdad2007
Member
What happened to the family plan test run? Because this is getting out of hand if you have multiple people with gamepass in a household.
Killjoy-NL
Member
laynelane
Member
Things started out really rosy for console subscribers with great deals and ways to get Game Pass for 'free'. I wonder if the change occurring now towards console customers will eventually be directed at PC users too. I suspect it will.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
So $20 a month instead of the $15 I’m paying now? Yeah, I’m ok with that if I still get day 1 games.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Late to the discussion but I want to commend the lot of you for actually getting to the real implications of Microsoft showing their hand and further confirming they want out of the hardware business. Investors won't let Microsoft remove themselves from revenue generating business without a compelling growth and profitability case. This can go two ways: success and now they have increased profits, or poorly and they continue to withdraw from hardware and reposition themselves as a publisher.
They have been saying for years their platform is Game Pass (and xCloud, but lol at that). Microsoft is finally showing their hand and taking real action to this end.
This is 100% driven by Microsoft. I have said it a million times and I'll continue to beat this horse dead - Microsoft is awful for the gaming industry. It operates itself as an enterprise software company, which is the very essence of enshittification. How many times has Microsoft tried to rugpull its own customers? We just saw them do this recently with their plan to double the cost of Xbox Live Gold. That backfired, but showing their intent to do so should have been enough for the fanbase - instead I see barely anyone talking about this.
And now they decide to drop this news after business hours on a Tuesday, with prices going into effect within hours for anyone with lapsed subs. That's not the kind of thing a confident market leader does.
I know it seems like PC Game Pass is now some kind of secret value. You'd think it would be like Steam, but a subscription. Turns out the service itself is absolute ass. I subbed a few years back with the initial GPU deal and stacked like 2 or 3 years for very little cost. It was worth it for me to try things out at minimal expense, but by the end of my trial I even though the low price I paid was too much.
The problem is that GPU uses Windows Store games, and they're awful. The app itself and the selection of games is tied to Windows updates. If you are on a more stable channel or defer updates for any reason, you won't get the latest games. Even better - when you do update, often times there will be problems installing or launching the games! Even worse, controller support sucks. My experience with Halo:MCC was the worst - they released the games on PCGP individually and I had to redownload the app, uninstall and reinstall multiple times in order to get things working. A couple times I needed to run shell commands to delete and resync the Windows Store cache. This is not a big deal for me and probably many of you, but if I'm a normie paying a sub and have to fucking battle my OS just to access the games I'm subbing for, I'm out. it felt like I went backward in time to PC gaming of the 90s and early 2000s where it was downright painful to get things working. Not worth the money, just buy what you want when it goes on sale from Steam.
They have been saying for years their platform is Game Pass (and xCloud, but lol at that). Microsoft is finally showing their hand and taking real action to this end.
This is 100% driven by Microsoft. I have said it a million times and I'll continue to beat this horse dead - Microsoft is awful for the gaming industry. It operates itself as an enterprise software company, which is the very essence of enshittification. How many times has Microsoft tried to rugpull its own customers? We just saw them do this recently with their plan to double the cost of Xbox Live Gold. That backfired, but showing their intent to do so should have been enough for the fanbase - instead I see barely anyone talking about this.
And now they decide to drop this news after business hours on a Tuesday, with prices going into effect within hours for anyone with lapsed subs. That's not the kind of thing a confident market leader does.
I know it seems like PC Game Pass is now some kind of secret value. You'd think it would be like Steam, but a subscription. Turns out the service itself is absolute ass. I subbed a few years back with the initial GPU deal and stacked like 2 or 3 years for very little cost. It was worth it for me to try things out at minimal expense, but by the end of my trial I even though the low price I paid was too much.
The problem is that GPU uses Windows Store games, and they're awful. The app itself and the selection of games is tied to Windows updates. If you are on a more stable channel or defer updates for any reason, you won't get the latest games. Even better - when you do update, often times there will be problems installing or launching the games! Even worse, controller support sucks. My experience with Halo:MCC was the worst - they released the games on PCGP individually and I had to redownload the app, uninstall and reinstall multiple times in order to get things working. A couple times I needed to run shell commands to delete and resync the Windows Store cache. This is not a big deal for me and probably many of you, but if I'm a normie paying a sub and have to fucking battle my OS just to access the games I'm subbing for, I'm out. it felt like I went backward in time to PC gaming of the 90s and early 2000s where it was downright painful to get things working. Not worth the money, just buy what you want when it goes on sale from Steam.
Esppiral
Member
Are you ok?
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
PS+, Game Pass and GameFly is still the best combination in gaming. “Owning” games is for suckers.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The PS+ monthly games are fine (for me), but the PS+ Catalog has the same problem as Game Pass. You feel rushed and, before you know, the games leave. Owning games is still the best, most premium experience.
digital_ghost
Member
For real. I have gigabit internet and pc gamepass downloads at laughably slow speeds. Meanwhile steam downloads are super fast.
CityHunter1981
Member
PC game pass is also a small price increase, but I still believe Microsoft is ripping of XBOX players. I just don’t understand why the PC game pass is in comparison so cheap, considering it also includes all day one games.
Killjoy-NL
Member
bender
What time is it?
They aren't going to let go of their pay-to-play online subscription money.
Haha I knew they would eventually try to pull something like this. Hell no, im out.
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate will not be changed, but it will get a price increase.
We are in a global economic downturn, stop being anti consumer. (as you also raise prices during good economic times)
FU MS.
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate will not be changed, but it will get a price increase.
We are in a global economic downturn, stop being anti consumer. (as you also raise prices during good economic times)
FU MS.
Spitfire098
Member
ZehDon
Member
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Wow. I think multiple users (including me though not blowing my own trumpet) had the same summary in numerous threads here on GAF.
If only I were this good at predicting those damn lottery numbers.
If only I were this good at predicting those damn lottery numbers.
Esca
Member
Because the whole experience on PC is dog shit
OppaiNinja
Banned
Hey MS! Let me help you have your cake and eat it too..
Kill off Game Pass Core in its current form with the whole Curated 25 games list and the need for the Online Multiplayer paywall. Pretty much all the top played Multiplayer games are already F2P.
Have the tiers as follows:
Kill off Game Pass Core in its current form with the whole Curated 25 games list and the need for the Online Multiplayer paywall. Pretty much all the top played Multiplayer games are already F2P.
Have the tiers as follows:
- Game Pass Core PC, (PC only, no Day One) - Monthly only $7.99
- Game Pass Core Console (Console only, no Day One) - Monthly only $9.99
- Game Pass Standard (Console, PC, No Day One) - Monthly $14.99, Yearly $119.99
- Game Pass Ultimate (Console, PC, Cloud, and Day One) - Monthly $19.99, Yearly $179.99
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Well TBF, of course they weren't. But (and this is just something I've noticed in light of the news) it just seems for a lot of people, Game Pass being "the best deal in gaming" hinged A LOT on getting for super cheap or free. The quality wasn't the factor.
Otherwise we wouldn't be seeing so many now questioning cancelling or letting their sub lapse over a $4 monthly increase to Ultimate, for instance. But the ones saying that because of changes to Xbox Game Pass no longer getting Day 1 games AND getting a price increase...yeah, I can understand those sentiments. Paying more while getting a whole lot less, never fun.
Unknown Soldier
Member
PC has so much competition, if MS raised prices on PC players they would all just unsubscribe and go back to Steam
panda-zebra
Member
If people here and in the media think this just adds more confusion yet again, same as when Core launched, you're not wrong and it's working as intended. it's all lube along the way to their end goal that would have been far too unpalatable and resulted in uproar if it was forced out in one fell swoop. Eroding away the lowest form of Game Pass resulting in a subscription service that locks people in but content that is more spliced up than ever, games with day one or follow-up expansions, premium additional content editions, fomo-exploiting "early access" which is effectively just a middle finger to the loyal users who pay up front without any real guarantees what they'll get in return, this list goes on. They'll execute that final form streamlining soon enough and it won't be pretty when GPU ends up even more expensive and all tiers having fuck all in the way of worthwhile stacking options and loyalty schemes to exploit.
The best value in gaming.
The best value in gaming.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Disappointing. Makes buying Steam keys much more attractive for day one MS games in comparison (assuming you have access to both platforms).
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
How many price increases have they done?
Deffo feels like rhis was inevitable. Everyone's been increasing prices.
The annoying thing seems to be you can't stack more than 13 months now?
Deffo feels like rhis was inevitable. Everyone's been increasing prices.
The annoying thing seems to be you can't stack more than 13 months now?
bitbydeath
Member
Nah, reducing spending sounds great on paper but it can cause huge negative impacts on the industry. When Game Pass closes I hope PS+ follows suit.
bender
What time is it?
One about a year ago and now this.
You are getting awfully close to $60 a month in subscriptions. I think I'd rather go the sucker route and own 10-12 games a year instead.
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SidViscous
Member
It’s worth noting that premium doesn’t get you day one either as almost every big game they publish has an edition that gets you “play x days early” bonus
Not exactly. $20 gets you Xbox live, cloud, ea, console and PC. Whether you want all those things is a different story.So.... on consoles you need to pay 20 bucks for what you get on PC for 12 bucks. Seems right
Think you can stack up to 3 years until this goes into effect.
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