kazuyamishima
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As per Spencer, MS is losing between $100-200 per Xbox Series unit sold.
Before GP, there was a somehow decent service called PS Now, they upped the tiers trying to squeeze as much revenue as posible from the same players.
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Xbox hardware revenue down 42%, content and services up by 61% last quarter
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Are you trying to say that because they don't give profit figures that means they are making losses??
I repeat, only with what ABK generates (which has not changed its multiplatform release structure) they should already be registering benefits that would cover any loss generated by XGS.
The other thing is that you want to make believe that ABK (which was/is the gaming company with the highest profits by far in the industry) has become a black hole of losses just because it now belongs to MS...
P.S. The XBOX division has not reported profit figures for decades. The biggest surprise would have been if he gave them now.
Topher
Gold Member
Not much of a response really. Hardly keeping them in "check".
Unknown Soldier
Member
LOL yes because somehow Nintendo doesn't exist whenever these analogies need to be made
Never mind that Xbox already doesn't exist outside of US and UK and so far Sony hasn't needed to be put in check
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Are you trying to say that because they don't give profit figures that means they are making losses??
I repeat, only with what ABK generates (which has not changed its multiplatform release structure) they should already be registering benefits that would cover any loss generated by XGS.
The other thing is that you want to make believe that ABK (which was/is the gaming company with the highest profits by far in the industry) has become a black hole of losses just because it now belongs to MS...
P.S. The XBOX division has not reported profit figures for decades. The biggest surprise would have been if he gave them now.
sowrry, but there is not data to bee seen.
your very healthy is a "very healthy" at best.
Mr Moose
Member
“We now have over 500 million monthly active users across platforms and devices,”
freefornow
Member
You are all looking at this from the wrong angle! This is a positive for MS. The less units they sell, the less $ they lose on each unit sold!
Generic
Member
PS Now was an attempt to catch the streaming market.
Still a response, PS+ Extra and Premium only exist because of Gamepass. It was basically Sony saying "you don't need a Xbox to have a cheap subscription service with hundreds of games" to millions of consumers.
The Switch is a portable with 10 years old tablet hardware.
Really guys, competition is good. If the Xbox drops the console market, things will get worse for consumers.
Kacho
Gold Member
And we’re only halfway through the generation. I know there’s rumors about an early next gen console from Microsoft, but when interest in the brand has completely eroded, what’s the point?
Astray
Member
Showcases don't matter anymore to the larger market because most people play service and annual games now, and they have already decided where they like playing them too.
If you play FIFA or COD or Fortnite predominantly, then why would you exactly care about a Lego Horizon or Indiana Jones game reveal? Showcases are for the hardcore gamers who post pages of forum content about them on NeoGAF or ResetEra (the minority), not for normie players (the vast majority of consumers).
Mr Moose
Member
Only for Xbox consumers.
Astray
Member
Name me a single company or division in any industry that hides its profits. I'll wait.Are you trying to say that because they don't give profit figures that means they are making losses??
Hint: The answer is not in the discord nor in the employee handbook you have.
Kacho
Gold Member
Xbox isn’t competing with the others at this point. Consumers have abandoned Xbox because their needs are being met by Nintendo, Valve and Sony. There are plenty of options still.
Topher
Gold Member
Good PR. Sony could have done nothing and it wouldn't have mattered.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
but they matter tho. it's like the recent Hall H at the sandiego comiccon. (for the nerds)
I have never seen those panels and I know the Roberto Junior is going to be the next Doom.
showcases or similar are just a marketing push. they are important to create awareness for games beyond the hardcore people.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Yikes, it's in freefall
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Does Xbox hardware include peripherals?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Looking at MS Gaming and ABK combined, revenue DROPPED 12%!
MS Gaming Q4 2024 is $5.03 Billion (3.491B x1.44)
As separate companies, MS Gaming and ABK when summed together made $5.7 Billion in the April 2023 to June 2023 period. ABK’s $2.2 Billion was driven off of Diablo 4. MS Gaming was $3.491 Billion ordering to @Welfare ‘s calculations on IB.
If this keeps happening it'll actually be strong evidence by regulators like the FTC to deny future modest/large gaming acquisitions by companies like MS. Beyond just consolidating the market, the numbers dropping with consolidation vs. unconsolidated could be claimed to hurt the overall revenue growth of the gaming market.
Basically, unless these numbers improve by considerable amounts going forward, it's going to be a very bad look for Microsoft going forward WRT future gaming acquisitions. That doesn't even bring up the job cuts they've done since the purchase was completed (or studio closures like with Tango Gameworks).
LOL. Yes there is data, income. But I repeat, if your desire is to make people believe that ABK, from the moment it became part of MS, magically went from being the company with the highest profits in the industry by far to being a total ruin even though nothing has changed in its structure and operation..... OK.
MS does not hide its benefits.... The difference is that Xbox is a small part of MS, which is a super-diversified company and its importance has nothing to do with what PS may have for Sony or other companies dedicated exclusively to the video game business. .
But then, MS has not provided profit figures for any of its divisions (and it won't be because none of them separately for decades generate profits
) . It is not just a matter of the Xbox division. The funny thing is that someone expected them to make an exception only for Xbox or now for ABK 
Unknown?
Member
Down off of all-time records. This is down on a huge drop already when it should be in its prime. It's like Wii 2011 levels of drop.While its a big number didn't we just hear a couple of months ago PS hardware was down like 30%?
The rush isn't there anymore
Maybe I am thinking something else about that 30% number
Regardless imagine at Castle Green they see these numbers and think "Oh lets release the same consoles but lets make them white, that will fix sales"
Astray
Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
A "very healthy" division:LOL. Yes there is data, income. But I repeat, if your desire is to make people believe that ABK, from the moment it became part of MS, magically went from being the company with the highest profits in the industry by far to being a total ruin even though nothing has changed in its structure and operation..... OK.
indeed
Bernoulli
M2 slut
Xbox controllers sell very well
The normal and Elite ones
A "very healthy" division:
LOL. Clear example of when efforts to misrepresent become ridiculous and on top of it adorned with the typical self-congratulatory gif.......You should be proud
As if it were only MS who fired and closed Studios even though they had great profits...
We will all agree that if MS decided to make all its games (from XGS, Bethesda and ABK) exclusive, the Xbox division would not be sustainable??? Well that's what that means. Which is very different from you wanting to see a kind of admission that the Xbox division (where XGS+Bethesda+Abk are) does not generate profits
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
VERY healthy division tho.LOL. Clear example of when efforts to misrepresent become ridiculous and on top of it adorned with the typical self-congratulatory gif.......You should be proud
We will all agree that if MS decided to make all its games (from XGS, Bethesda and ABK) exclusive, the Xbox division would not be sustainable??? Well that's what that means. Which is very different from you wanting to see a kind of admission that the Xbox division (where XGS+Bethesda+Abk are) does not generate profits
Unknown?
Member
Nah, Take Two will boost them next year.
Astray
Member
Not if the fed keeps interest rates high.Nah, Take Two will boost them next year.
Nonehxc
Member
Make that between 200-300$ for mine Series X since it cost me new 400$
And the sweetest thing about it, it's that I bought it DIRECTLY FROM MS STORE MWAHAHAHAHA
Haha, very predictableVERY healthy division tho.
Unknown?
Member
Phil will call up Jerome Powell and tell him to get the printer warm.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
That’s one way to sell a bridge. Xbox would’ve been down overall by 4% without CoD and WoW money.
It is also worth noting that price hike is reflected in this Q4 report too.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I dunno man.
Very healthy and "happy" it's just mental gymnastics
If very healthy then happy otherwise wise is "very healthy" and "happy".
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
I give 0 fucks about Xbox hardware. They've aggressively secured some IP through acquisitions, so I care more about what they're going to with them.
- Gamer who is not a shareholder.
- Gamer who is not a shareholder.
Unknown?
Member
Put them on gamepass but won't do anything that wouldn't have been done otherwise.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Tbh that works for me. Might try some of the IP's that I wouldn't have paid $$$ to if they weren't.
Simply to boost sales--at least bring out the cylinder design, better yet improve performance and call it Series X Pro or something. Literally do SOMETHING to show they care about hardware (assuming they actually do care). What they actually did is not even a half-ass try.
rm082e
Member
The cylinder design we saw from leaked documents didn't have any performance improvements. It was a different shape to the plastic - like the PS5 slim. I seem to remember it had slightly faster wifi and a more recent bluetooth codec, which the new disc-less X didn't get. But even if it had, no one is going to swap out their existing Series X for slightly faster wifi.
Series X Pro was a decision they would have needed to make 2+ years ago to work on the designs, and would have required investment. They clearly aren't in a position to do that with sales being terrible, and it probably wouldn't have mattered anyone. The real Series X Pro is a gaming PC.
If people fundamentally don't want their console, there's nothing they can do to spice it up. They can only come out with new software to try and juice the existing hardware, or come out with new hardware, which seems like a bad idea given the trajectory of the Series consoles.
They're in a Dreamcast style death spiral. It's a slow moving train wreck that we've all been watching for the last 9 months. It's probably got at least another 6 to go. Q1, when we see the results of putting COD on Game Pass will be the real brass tax moment. Starfield failed hard. If COD fails hard too, they won't have a card left to play next year.
Sushi_Combo
Member
They need to just drop the console and focus on being the next new 3rd party publisher.
twilo99
Gold Member
It will hold at ~400 tomorrow and then probably more pain next week with target of $340 for a short
If you look on the monthly, their stock is due for a nice deep pull back
basically "up only" since 2013 lol
Hero of Spielberg
Member
It would have meant I wouldn;t have had access to my PS+ library. Just like if Nintendo had no competition, we'd probably only be able to buy gamers on cartridges and online play probably wouldn't exist.
Jaybe
Member
Yeah and you raise a good point, I believe the ABK side ran at an operating loss last quarter.