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XCOM 2 |OT| Be Aggressive! Be Be Aggressive!
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I was actually afraid that the game was going to be too easy after watching all the youtubers that got early access play it. ChristopherOdd was acing missions with ease on the highest difficulty and I can barely complete a mission on normal without my squad getting messed up
Azwethinkweiz
Member
I'm playing on commander and not finding it any more difficult than classic from the first one.
Novum_Veritas
Member
The OT name was changed?
MonorailCat
Member
Oh god, Flashbangs make the beginning so much easier. Thats my main tip for the first missions in higher difficulties: bring at least one flashbang. It WILL save your ass.
Yeah it's about the same. But to be fair: Classic in the first one was pretty hard. As is Commander in Xcom2. The first three to four missions are really rough.
Yeah it's about the same. But to be fair: Classic in the first one was pretty hard. As is Commander in Xcom2. The first three to four missions are really rough.
therealminime
Member
I'm on Vetern. I went with that because it's what the game suggested, but I am definitely not an expert at the game. This is only my second turn based strategy game to date, after the last XCOM. I think part of my struggle is tied to just not being in any sort of strategy game mindset for many years now. I'm probably going to restart on Vetern again now that I've found my sea legs so to say.
CecilRousso
Member
It's not just about your moves, but about the opposition you face. The kind of enemies you encounter in your first missions here are the kind you didn't encounter in XCOM:EU until after at least 1/3 of the game, and they have timers from the start.
Chance Hale
Member
Can I skip the tutorial to go straight to ironman mode or is it inadvisable?
MrCompletely
Member
Quoting cause I can not figure this out and I had to start a new campaign to get around it.
KiefbladeMaster
Member
Controls practically the same, you just need to be really aggressive with the timers being around and what not. Like, super aggressive, as in like sprinting towards the objective and covering advances with overwatch. That approach netted me flawless on my first three missions so far. (Only on Veteran, though).
Novum_Veritas
Member
Nope. The first time it completely froze, the other two times I was able to restart the computer from the start menu.
Novum_Veritas
Member
Hmm not sure. I have an MSI laptop that's about half a year old at this point. It could be running a little hot, but I've never had a problem like this with any other game.
Shake Appeal
Member
It's definitely easier, especially in the first month or two. This game doesn't have the crushing early difficulty vanilla EU did.
Novum_Veritas
Member
Lanrutcon
Member
The game's difficulty is weird.
Pretty far on Veteran atm and I'm starting to get a sense of where the real challenges lie.
I think the timers are a wee bit tight on missions where you need to extract after doing <whatever>. There's a bit too much RNG in terms of enemy composition and placement. Get a bad set of spawns and the timer becomes unreasonable. This is more pronounced every time the enemy 'ups' their technology level, bringing more badass enemies to bear.
Armor stripping is far, far too essential. Specialty grenades are insanely good. Combine those two facts and suddenly Grenadiers are the obvious backbone to any squad. Without the multiple flashbangs and acid grenades they bring life gets a LOT harder later on.
Snipers are terrible. In a game where you're pressured to advance and stay mobile to deal with cover (both yours and the enemy's) they make a class that's essentially a turret. I feel that sniper rifles need to do way more damage than assault rifles to be worth anything, especially given that all sniper rifles require separate research and resources. When it comes to assassinating problematic targets, you'd think a sniper would be the weapon of choice...but they gave Rangers that job.
I don't think the game explains the Project Avatar track well enough. If you don't actively fight it by researching and building specific things you end up with an unwinnable game. It's far too easy to ignore the contact/Avatar stuff in favor in combat upgrades and resources. It's a trap, basically.
Pretty far on Veteran atm and I'm starting to get a sense of where the real challenges lie.
I think the timers are a wee bit tight on missions where you need to extract after doing <whatever>. There's a bit too much RNG in terms of enemy composition and placement. Get a bad set of spawns and the timer becomes unreasonable. This is more pronounced every time the enemy 'ups' their technology level, bringing more badass enemies to bear.
Armor stripping is far, far too essential. Specialty grenades are insanely good. Combine those two facts and suddenly Grenadiers are the obvious backbone to any squad. Without the multiple flashbangs and acid grenades they bring life gets a LOT harder later on.
Snipers are terrible. In a game where you're pressured to advance and stay mobile to deal with cover (both yours and the enemy's) they make a class that's essentially a turret. I feel that sniper rifles need to do way more damage than assault rifles to be worth anything, especially given that all sniper rifles require separate research and resources. When it comes to assassinating problematic targets, you'd think a sniper would be the weapon of choice...but they gave Rangers that job.
I don't think the game explains the Project Avatar track well enough. If you don't actively fight it by researching and building specific things you end up with an unwinnable game. It's far too easy to ignore the contact/Avatar stuff in favor in combat upgrades and resources. It's a trap, basically.
vpance
Member
Difficulty progression is V shaped I guess?
Gonna scum around the first few missions or so to see if it's not too unfair. Started on veteran.
Ugh, that sounds shitty.
Kaffeemann
Banned
Yeah, I'm getting destroyed on Commander difficulty -_-
Incendiary
Banned
Yeah, strategy games/SRPGs are one of my favorite types of games, so that could be why I adjusted quicker to this. This is definitely a lot different from the first XCOM in terms of how you approach everything. My strategy so far has been to advance in pairs - have one guy go forward a little and overwatch, then a second guy leapfrog over and sprint, and if he activates you have an overwatch attack to cover. Also grenades are much more useful for blowing away alien's cover than doing damage/killing in this game. I've pretty much exclusively used grenades to blow up Sectoid's cover so I have a clear flanking shot to wipe them out.
I think you also need to play a bit riskier with the way this is set up. I put my ranger into several disadvantageous positions by running up and slashing an alien, but every time I've gotten the kill - usually a much more dangerous alien goes down and then my ranger takes fire from an Advent Trooper or something. It sucks to take damage, but an 88% chance of slicing up a Sectoid and dissolving a zombie is worth it.
Of course, the first real mission I play, Leroy Jenkins is the sole survivor. Of course. Despite the fact that I used him as bait and he was in the open to get shot at plenty of times he doesn't take a shot, while my other custom characters all get murdered.... *Sigh*
Then Lisa Jenkins goes on to become my best sniper.
This game.
Koutsoubas
Member
I dont know if im gonna be able to keep up with the increased focus this game demands. I think im gonna drop it for the moment, life is pressuring and i would really like to enjoy it in all its glory and not through a rushed playthrough
going with veteran (aka normal) as I did in the first one. good enough for me, I dont need to be frustrated at every turn to enjoy myself, and I like feeling OP late in a game from getting all the upgrades and whatnot. I still lost a ton of ppl in the first one on normal and im sure its going to be the same in this one.
I know what you mean. I did the tutorial and then the first mission after that when you have 4 soldiers (still the tutorial I guess?) this morning and then stopped, I want to play this with some proper free time, not having to worry that I need to go to work in half an hour etc. Ill jump into it proper this weekend hopefully
I know what you mean. I did the tutorial and then the first mission after that when you have 4 soldiers (still the tutorial I guess?) this morning and then stopped, I want to play this with some proper free time, not having to worry that I need to go to work in half an hour etc. Ill jump into it proper this weekend hopefully
MonorailCat
Member
The Gunslinger Sniper is pretty great. Get's a lot of attacks per turn to finish off low health enemies nearbie or just take the long range shot depending on the situation.
In a perfect world you would have two different sniper builds: The classic sniper for missions without timelimit and the gunslinger for missions with limits. But thats more feasible for a possible 'long war' mod where you have more time to train.
TBF, Snipers aren't supposed to be mowing machines like in the previous XCOM games. They've occupied the overwatch spots on my squads, and typically pull RNG shots from across the map -- which really help in retaliation missions.
Lanrutcon
Member
omg
Reddit says Killzone works from concealment as if you weren't concealed.
I think I just found a use for my Sniper.
king grimlock
Member
Any one playing on a surface pro 3 i5 8gb RAM and getting average surface-y performance? I want a decent game to play when waiting between classes and Civ would turn my surface into a stovetop with a keyboard. I would ask in the performance thread but I feel like that's more for the big boys.
masterkajo
Member
A friend and I just tried multiplayer and boy is there a delay... When I see my soldier killing one of his it takes up to 10 to 15 seconds before he sees it too. And When I end my turn it takes 10 to 15 seconds until he can start his...
EDIT: It got worse and worse as time goes on. It took us about and hour and 15 minutes to complete this mutliplayer match and we were making our moves pretty fast. At the end it took 2-3 minutes after I ended my turn before he could start his.
EDIT: It got worse and worse as time goes on. It took us about and hour and 15 minutes to complete this mutliplayer match and we were making our moves pretty fast. At the end it took 2-3 minutes after I ended my turn before he could start his.
Koutsoubas
Member
Totally feel you! This game is too deep! Im really surprised to say the truth
Xamtheking
Member
Thanks for the title change, mods
speculawyer
Member
I find it definitely runs well enough, even on lower machines, to have a good time. I think a lot of the reports are based off of those expecting their pricier computers to run it perfectly (as it should).
They definitely need to optimize, but the game isn't unplayable by any means.
I wish the game design was flexible enough to allow the rangers to really shine, I just infiltrated and planted X4 on a facility without being detected, problem being as soon as you plant the X4 you are somehow magically detected and the evac point is arbitrarily set on the other side of the map so you have to move your entire squad through there anyway, really disappointing.
MonorailCat
Member
Anybody else finds the 12 turn extraction mission the hardest? The one where you have to find the person first.
Almost all of the other timed missions are no problem, but (ironically) the the longest one of them seems to be the hardest. Sometimes the generated map is huge and the extract point is really far away. Seems to be far more RNG than the other missions. Sometimes it's ok, and sometimes you have to dash basically every turn to make it in time.
Almost all of the other timed missions are no problem, but (ironically) the the longest one of them seems to be the hardest. Sometimes the generated map is huge and the extract point is really far away. Seems to be far more RNG than the other missions. Sometimes it's ok, and sometimes you have to dash basically every turn to make it in time.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Honestly, I'm close to scrapping my first run, just because the strategic layer 'fooled me' into thinking there wouldn't be a satellite equivalent.
Should have read the small type by the new regions to realize that intel would be 'relatively' so valuable.
Seems like the 'strategic' layer is the more starved for time, this time around, what with the missions popping up every couple of days - which means that Engineers are worth their weight in gold.
One annoyance I've found is that healing with medkits no longer 'tricks' the no wound post-mission screen.
Should have read the small type by the new regions to realize that intel would be 'relatively' so valuable.
Seems like the 'strategic' layer is the more starved for time, this time around, what with the missions popping up every couple of days - which means that Engineers are worth their weight in gold.
One annoyance I've found is that healing with medkits no longer 'tricks' the no wound post-mission screen.
I was hoping this was a bug, it doesn't make much sense to me.
Another squad wiped ._. Really wasn't prepared for enemies packing grenades and half my squad taking two floors of fall damage on top of that. Goodbye most of my elites, hello remaining rookies and squaddies.
Really, went from "what a great start of this ambush!" to "... oh" in two seconds.
Really, went from "what a great start of this ambush!" to "... oh" in two seconds.
Yeah... My first blacksite run was going great.
I killed the mech almost as soon as it appeared with a couple of lucky crits and hadn't lost a squad member. Then a freaking sectoid mind controls my only healthy squad member, who then proceeds to murder everyone.
Yeah, Intel is never 'not good', especially since if you have a SHIT TON of excess you can dump it into the black market.
Yeah I shared a similar sentiment earlier. Those missions can be rough because the VIP can be a good distance away, and then once you get to him you still have to get everyone to the fixed extraction point.
I had a particularly cruel one of these where I had my full squad and the VIP up on the roof but couldn't quite cover the distance to the extraction point on the final turn. Came within just a tile or two with everyone, so they were all captured.
yeah , I have an 980 ti rig and have it running at a 90 % solid 60fps (gameplay) after turning a couple of things down. More than happy with the way it looks and runs at the moment.
Obviously still needs optimized but gameplay > ultra settings
Dsyndrome
Member
Was wondering why my Ranger was Gravely Wounded despite having full health.