thelurkinghorror
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Fun fact: on my fourth attempt in Ironman the game has started very slowly with almost no mission at all for almost a month.
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XCOM 2 |OT| Be Aggressive! Be Be Aggressive!
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Fun fact: on my fourth attempt in Ironman the game has started very slowly with almost no mission at all for almost a month.
RandomSeed
Member
I'm 4 bars away from losing I think. I was 3, but a story mission reduced it. First I didn't have enough to upgrade my contacts capacity, then I didn't have enough intel. I honestly think commander difficulty is more balanced at the start vs classic on the tactics side, but I really thought the satellite rush was a thing of the past and screwed up.
Yes, definitely the worst missions.
The fact is that the others have 8 turns to do 1 thing that is at medium distance away.
Here you have to get to the door of the cell, get somebody physically to the door to open it and then get the hostage out, compared to just having to go to a place and spend 1 turn doing whatever you need and usually those things can be done at range.
Yeah, that sucks.
I was on the same mission and took out the mech immediately, just didn't expect the worst from that muton. I let my troops down 
It's definetely harder when playing without tutorial which nicely eases you into the game and has some easy missions to level up first few guys. Without it the game throws everything at you right from the start
The 8-turn ones also allow you to extract from anywhere, from what I can tell, and the objective is often something you can destroy or hack at a distance. Or in some cases just kill every alien in the map and win that way.
The 12-turn VIP missions can be punishing, and probably where a lot of the turn timer complaints are coming from.
platypotamus
Member
How well is this game running for everyone? Performance seems unreasonably jittery to me
EDIT: Just saw the other thread, sorry. Ignore
EDIT: Just saw the other thread, sorry. Ignore
bigdaddygamebot
Member
An hour in so far...janky and for a game that touted itself as having tonnes of soldier customization ends up having pretty anemic customization options.
Maybe it will sink it's hooks in with more play but so far; I'm disappointed.
Maybe it will sink it's hooks in with more play but so far; I'm disappointed.
Pretty sure that in those missions where you kill everyone and complete it that way, dead squadmates are automatically transported back.
The fact is that I've never needed to extract early in those missions.
I can easily get in range of the target and do my thing in the time given.
On the other hand both VIP missions the time wasn't enough.
I mean, I just have to learn to deal with it, but they are by far the hardest missions in the game up to this point.
I haven't had to extract from those either, at least with the early game enemies, but I was just pointing out that if things do go sideways in the shorter missions, you can leave at any point. The VIP missions all have fixed extraction points so without reloading a save, you've gotta go all the way.
ANuclearError
Member
I don't suppose the Steam Controller discount is gained through pre-ordering with GMG is it?
Poodlestrike
Banned
Digging the new OT name.
First Retaliation went smashingly, though one of my guys almost got nailed to the wall by an adventuresome Faceless (I did not expect them to be able to jump that high, nor did I expect the melee hit to demolish the structure it and my dude were standing on), HUGELY enjoying this. I do wish there was some kind of way to delegate some of the opportunities that pop up on the strategy layer tho, this whole "do a thing for a day, stop because some immediate concern prestented itself, repeat 5 times until done" thing is getting a little bit tiring, lol.
I'm still digging into things, but it's everything I had hoped it would be so far. Here goes!
(BTW, tip for those loading screens: alt-tab. It keeps loading while you browse GAF or whatever).
EDIT: On mission times, still pretty early but haven't had much of a problem. You really do have to be aggressive about it, though.
First Retaliation went smashingly, though one of my guys almost got nailed to the wall by an adventuresome Faceless (I did not expect them to be able to jump that high, nor did I expect the melee hit to demolish the structure it and my dude were standing on), HUGELY enjoying this. I do wish there was some kind of way to delegate some of the opportunities that pop up on the strategy layer tho, this whole "do a thing for a day, stop because some immediate concern prestented itself, repeat 5 times until done" thing is getting a little bit tiring, lol.
I'm still digging into things, but it's everything I had hoped it would be so far. Here goes!
(BTW, tip for those loading screens: alt-tab. It keeps loading while you browse GAF or whatever).
EDIT: On mission times, still pretty early but haven't had much of a problem. You really do have to be aggressive about it, though.
Both 12 turn missions have seen me getting my last dude out on the final turn, which has been great. It's fun having to be increasingly reckless as the mission goes on. Knocking enemies out of overwatch seems like a big key to being able to always advance at least a bit. That and running overwatch with Aid Protocol on, hoping for the best.
Shorty11857
Member
Got taken down by a UFO and had to defend the Avenger with 11 guys on the field, that felt pretty awesome
Love this game so far
Love this game so far
Oh, I get that, I was just saying how much of a difference there has been between the two in my experience.
For example, my hardest 8 turns mission ended up with 1 casuality, which is the minimum I've been able to get away with in the 12 turns missions.
Interficium
Banned
Has anyone encountered bugs where the tactical map screen scrolls by itself, uncontrollably? It's basically making the game unplayable. Base view of the avenger has the same problem.
XCOM pls, stop spawning engineers and give me some scientists. I haven't seen the chance of getting one yet, all the rewards, recruits and VIPs were engineers.
This is worse than missing that 95% shot
Do you have a pad connected? Try tu unplug it.
This is worse than missing that 95% shot
Do you have a pad connected? Try tu unplug it.
so i'm like 10 hours into the game and love everything about it.. but the one thing that pisses me off and is on the verge of making me just stop playing is the stupid hit percentages.
They mean absolutely jack shit. It doesn't matter if i drop to the easiest difficulty there are instances where i can be just one tile away from the enemy with a 90% hit rating and miss. I noticed that this happens more if i'm 1 or 2 enemy kills away from winning and i'm making my last move for the round. Just to test it i reloaded the same save with 90% hit rating like 20 times and missed every single time.
Now i'm basically forced to accept this games shitty decision to fuck me over and wait a round which means one of my guys will be killed from bleeding out.
Don't get me wrong, dying is part of this game, but it shouldn't happen in a "scripted" manner like this.
They mean absolutely jack shit. It doesn't matter if i drop to the easiest difficulty there are instances where i can be just one tile away from the enemy with a 90% hit rating and miss. I noticed that this happens more if i'm 1 or 2 enemy kills away from winning and i'm making my last move for the round. Just to test it i reloaded the same save with 90% hit rating like 20 times and missed every single time.
Now i'm basically forced to accept this games shitty decision to fuck me over and wait a round which means one of my guys will be killed from bleeding out.
Don't get me wrong, dying is part of this game, but it shouldn't happen in a "scripted" manner like this.
Interficium
Banned
Yup. Silly me.
A 90% shot at hitting an enemy still means you'll miss one out of ten, which isn't that egregious. The random number seed doesn't change on reload so that wouldn't help you. EW had a Second Wave option called Save Scum that allowed you to reload to change hit percentages and such, but in this case it looks like you'll have to wait for a mod.
Pretty sure that is just bad luck man, and 90% shouldn't be a guaranteed hit in any game since you still have a 10% chance to miss.
LurkerPrime
Member
There's this thing called a random seed that determines hit percentages as you play. If things proceed in the same way the random seed will not change, but if different actions occur beforehand the random seed will change, and the rolls will be different. It's a token effort at both preventing savescumming and giving the game a reliability to it.
So, it's not the game deciding you need to lose, it's the random seed saying that's a miss. Savescum earlier in the turn and do some different stuff and suddenly your 90% chance to hit will still be a 90% chance to hit.
And no, unfortunately, I don't think GAFfer RandomSeed can do anything about it.
I'm pretty sure the game is programmed in a way that you can't savescum the same shot until you hit. At least it was done that way in Xcom: EU.
ok so basically that piece of information makes this acceptable to me.
It still feel like the instances where i miss a 90% shot happen towards the end of a victory but maybe that's just my weird perception.
I can live with reloads not changing the possibility of a hit if i at least know that missing a 90% shot just means i had bad luck and not like i thought was scripted (because i thought reloads would change the outcome)
Poodlestrike
Banned
I guarantee ht percentages are fair.
The reload thing you're doing is by design, btw.
edit: beaten, lol.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
The 12 turn VIP missions are making me rage tbh. Pretty much every turn has to go right and you can't waste a single move while avoiding turrets and mind controls.
If you fail the mission do you lose your guys? If so might aswell go balls out anyway
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
RandomSeed
Member
This is just my observation, but shots in the 80-89 percent range seem to be more reliable this time around. Of course if I find myself in full cover and in a good position, I'll often just let it rip (rather than take the overwatch penalty), and hit a fair number of lower percentage shots. It really does balance out IMO.
Really, the only time I find it funny is when shots are being missed from point blank range on opposite sides of cover. Whoever posted that Naked Gun gif really hit the nail on the head. So good.
Really, the only time I find it funny is when shots are being missed from point blank range on opposite sides of cover. Whoever posted that Naked Gun gif really hit the nail on the head. So good.
Shake Appeal
Member
Your brain is tricking you.
Unless you're playing on Veteran or below, in which case I think they fudge things slightly to make people not rage.
Anyways I'm done with this until someone mods out time limits completely.
Time limits are not, have never been and never will be fun in any context or situation. 0 tolerance.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I'd want proof of that, I've missed a couple of 96% slashes in 7 hours.
King Tubby
Member
I am loving this game. Playing on Commander. This game feels so much more dynamic than the first one. In the early going, you have to be really, really careful, just like the last game, because your guys simply suck real bad, but man, once you develop mag weapons and predator armor/spider armor, get experimental ammo/grenades, and have some higher level dudes, you just wreck house.
Snipers are lame early on, but they become killing machines very quickly, timer be damned. I always put a spider suit on my sniper, gives a lot of mobility with no action cost, which is crucial as it allows you to essentially move and shoot in the same turn and also gives you an elevation bonus. The Sniper + Phantom Ranger combo is absolutely deadly.
I think I've used the sword maybe like 5 times. The shotgun is just so much better in almost every situation. I feel like they need to buff the sword a bit because outside of very limited scenarios I basically ignore it.
I'm in the mid-game and time limits are such a non issue at this point. Maybe they'll become an annoyance again later, but really it just takes a slight adjustment of your playstyle.
Snipers are lame early on, but they become killing machines very quickly, timer be damned. I always put a spider suit on my sniper, gives a lot of mobility with no action cost, which is crucial as it allows you to essentially move and shoot in the same turn and also gives you an elevation bonus. The Sniper + Phantom Ranger combo is absolutely deadly.
I think I've used the sword maybe like 5 times. The shotgun is just so much better in almost every situation. I feel like they need to buff the sword a bit because outside of very limited scenarios I basically ignore it.
I'm in the mid-game and time limits are such a non issue at this point. Maybe they'll become an annoyance again later, but really it just takes a slight adjustment of your playstyle.
There's a mod that extends them on workshop
Anyways I'm done with this until someone mods out time limits completely.
Time limits are not, have never been and never will be fun in any context or situation. 0 tolerance.
That's the best part! I love it.
Just cleared my first citizen rescue mission and somehow pulled out with no injuries despite activating two pods on one turn.. Aid Protocol is really good, as are swords and grenades.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Prior to getting run and gun it was probably more useful, but it does a crapload of damage early (with blademaster) that it took magnetics for the shotgun to match. Maybe it's worse on higher difficulties, I'm playing normal.
Well alrighty then. Cheers.
General Lee
Member
I did feel like the new rookies still have like 80% hit chance at point blank range or melee, which kinda feels low, but I guess that's why they're rookies. That said I'm the master of missing 90%+ shots and on my first (commander) playthrough I've already resorted to dirty savescumming several times to save me from squad wipes. I'll leave the pure ironman legend run for later once I actually know the game mechanics, and I know a faceless can
Overall I feel the AI sometimes in this game and the previous has a bit of a cheat when it comes to magically knowing the positions of all your soldiers so they can move precisely to the best position to counter it in a way no human would. That said I'm incredibly happy XCOM 2 has the new LOS indicator so at least I don't have to guess if I can shoot them or not.
jump three stories to the rooftop and whack half my team dead in one hit when he should have absolutely no clue my soldiers are up there.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I'm still not even remotely happy with the alien pod free move system. Ambushes only "kind of" mitigates it, and it feels inorganic that you can't spring an ambush by actually firing with your whole squad simultaneously rather than using the slightly wonky overwatch thing.
Psi zombies not being able to move when they get res'd seems fair, but shapeshifters springing out of nowhere and then moving stupidly far and attacking on the turn they shift feels unfair.
Psi zombies not being able to move when they get res'd seems fair, but shapeshifters springing out of nowhere and then moving stupidly far and attacking on the turn they shift feels unfair.