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[BlackTron]

Honestly, this kinda tracks. You'll be able to play today's games on smaller hardware before having "tomorrow's games". I get the obsession with moar power, but realistically, it's a better CPU. You just won't feel it in the experience of sitting down playing the game, you'll feel it in power, temps, more case/build options, whatever.

 

[PeteBull]

Worse? No. Not at all.

Better in temp and power draw? Quite a bit.

Better in performance? By a negligible amount.

Worth an upgrade if you have a 7000 series CPU? Not at all, unless saving a few Watts of power REALLY matters to you.

Actually if u go for value u go 7700/x or if u go for max perf u go7800x3d, 0 reason to go with zen5 for gaming, like no reason at all, even perf/wat is worse from 7800x3d...

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Is 13600K/14600K experiencing instability? If the 13600K/14600K stability was never a problem then people were waiting and fearing from nothing, that's all I'm saying.

They've had their issues too. Nowhere near the degree of the 900 series, but they have been reported there.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Actually if u go for value u go 7700/x or if u go for max perf u go7800x3d, 0 reason to go with zen5 for gaming, like no reason at all, even perf/wat is worse from 7800x3d...

Agreed. Big whiff on AMDs part.

 

[marquimvfs]

And how much do you think the 5 - 50 Watt efficiency gain, only under active max load, would actually save you a year? Only seeing a return an infinitesimally small fraction of the time, maybe a few bucks a year for the whole fleet. You could save 1000x more switching toilet paper brands.

Considering the worst case scenario, about 50W less, times 7 pcs, times 12H day for R$0,93, the office would save about R$120,00 a month. Times 12, they will loose more than a grand. In the average scenario, the loss could be equal to their expense in maintenance of the said computers, or the cost of the water bill and so on. Like I said, outside USA it matters.

So much for switching toilet paper brand...

 

[Celcius]

I applaud AMD for focusing on efficiency this time around. I’m tired of super hot components.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Is 13600K/14600K experiencing instability? If the 13600K/14600K stability was never a problem then people were waiting and fearing from nothing, that's all I'm saying.

It always seems like people use these like team sports. Intel vs AMD, Xbox vs PlayStation... its ridiculous.
If I was building right now, I would be getting the 13600k for $200 , seems to be the best bang for your buck at 17th place for an i5 no less. The 7950x3d is $525.. For less performance the AMD cpu(according to userbenchmarks site, at 22nd place. less gaming performance but slightly higher work center performance. So unless you are doing insane rendering or compute task, the intel chip is the way to go, also way more affordable. I paid $150 for my 3600 in 2020, so an extra $50 for way better performance sounds good.

People don't want to hear it. Its like they look down on intel, although intel has been rock solid for stability for decades. All my thinkpad pcs have had intel chips and have been flawless running for days when working. I think linus tech tips and gamers nexus and jay2cents along with others probably push the narrative along as well.

Yeah amd was tough to beat a few years back in price/performance, but doing a quick search, doesn't look like that is the case now.
With pc components you go where you get the most bang for the buck, in your budget. Why pick a team, AMD and intel don't have exclusive games or something.

Thing is we should be rooting for both sides to have wins. We need both for competition. Hell we used to have other cpu makers back in the day. More competiion means more advances and cheaper prcies for everyone.

 

[Hudo]

TL;DR: Only slightly better than Zen 4 performance-wise. But much more efficient.

If you don't care about power efficiency, just buy a X3D.

 

[SolidQ]

google bench

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Thought this was delayed?

 

[FalconPunch]

It's crazy that the 15K intel layoffs didn't affect Leonidas . I thought Pat said he was getting rid of non-essential positions...

Anyway, this launch is a stinker from amd. The Zen 5% memes were real....

 

[ResilientBanana]

super shocked.

 

[Codeblew]

Thought this was delayed?

It was by 1 week.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

It was by 1 week.

Oh shucks.
Maybe they should of delayed it longer?

 

[Spyxos]

So Amd going intel and we will only get minimal yearly upgrades?

 

[Black_Stride]

Damn......me thinks i might be sticking with V1 LGA-1700 for a while.
My 12400 isnt dying yet in gaming.....and for more cores and higher boost I could just get a 13500 or 14500 and call it a day.

On to socket AM6 and V2 I guess.
Dont @ me about CPU reviews unless the u5s look spectacular and dont cost an arm n'a leg.




<----Still cautiously optimistic about the u5s from Intel.
A CPU upgrade has been calling me for a while.............but looks like ive got no reason to rush out.

 

[SolidQ]

JEDEC speeds seems like it gimps performance even more vs Zen 4.

 

[StereoVsn]

Gimme that 7800X3D for 300 dollars again plox

Might happen post 9800x3d.

 

[Haint]

Considering the worst case scenario, about 50W less, times 7 pcs, times 12H day for R$0,93, the office would save about R$120,00 a month. Times 12, they will loose more than a grand. In the average scenario, the loss could be equal to their expense in maintenance of the said computers, or the cost of the water bill and so on. Like I said, outside USA it matters.

So much for switching toilet paper brand...

Ain't no reality in the entire multiverse where you're running 7 PC's at max all core loads for any amount of time, never mind 12 hours days, for any number of days a year. Your real world savings would be a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of that as we're not discussing a sustained 100% uptime load, like for example you would calculate a 24/7/365 lit lightbulb or something. Your actual wall pull load would maybe amount to bursts averaging a ~20W delta, so about the cost of periodically running a single standard 1200 lumen LED lightbulb per PC.

 

[GymWolf]

I'm certain he's a bot at this point, where was he last week when all the negative intel news was dropping?

 

[winjer]

JEDEC speeds seems like it gimps performance even more vs Zen 4.

Now that is an impressive tunning that unleashes Zen5 potential.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Getting the power down is nice to see. Looks like 7000s users will need to hold out for the next series if they want to make an upgrade on an existing board.

 

[SolidQ]

Now that is an impressive tunning that unleashes Zen5 potential.

ST seems good compare to 7950X

Also from Kepler_L2: Zen6 is 2027

 

[Dirk Benedict]

I think I'll still go for it. That undervolt/overclock looks delicious. Edit: Before I buy anything, I am going to wait on the 3D reveal.
Thanks for posting that SolidQ

 

[Puscifer]

Might happen post 9800x3d.

The 5800X3D going as hard as it does in these benchmarks is a force to be reckoned with. I wish there was more itx options, I would've been all over that

 

[Leonidas]

Oh shucks.
Maybe they should of delayed it longer?

Given the crashing reports multiple reviewers experienced it probably should have. Still seems rushed even after the delay... I hope consumers don't experience those crashings when they purchase it tomorrow...

 

[Codeblew]

Given the crashing reports multiple reviewers experienced it probably should have. Still seems rushed even after the delay... I hope consumers don't experience those crashings when they purchase it tomorrow...

That is rich coming from an Intel shill.

 

[Leonidas]

That is rich coming from an Intel shill.

Why am I a shill? For warning you people that Zen5 could trade blows with a 2022 CPU? That's exactly what ended up happening you know?

I'm not here to hate on AMD. I wish Zen5 was the fastest gaming CPU today, so I could be excited to look forward to its battle with Arrow Lake.

Now the gaming CPU 2024 battle is no longer exciting for me. Intel has to go backwards (in gaming) for it to be a close match. That would be an embarrassing outcome.

 

[FireFly]

Given the crashing reports multiple reviewers experienced it probably should have. Still seems rushed even after the delay... I hope consumers don't experience those crashings when they purchase it tomorrow...

Yes, only Intel has the right to ship unstable CPUs and try to bury the issue for as long as possible.

 

[Leonidas]

Yes, only Intel has the right to ship unstable CPUs and try to bury the issue for as long as possible.

But I thought good guy AMD was going to have a stable release after the recall. If I see users posting crashing reports online, it'll be a damn shame, especially after AMD said they improved their quality control...

 

[FireFly]

But I thought good guy AMD was going to have a stable release after the recall. If I see users posting crashing reports online, it'll be a damn shame, especially after AMD said they improved their quality control...

I'm sure you'll be going through those reports with a fine-tooth comb, while completely ignoring any crash reports coming from Intel users after the microcode update.

 

[twilo99]

Yes.

 

[twilo99]

The efficiency gains are a good indicator of what to expect on the GPU side as well , which I’m okay with, if we get a nice reduction in price..

 

[Silver Wattle]

I hope the 9800X3D gets a solid frequency bump, 5.5Ghz would be great.

 

[MikeM]

I wonder what Zen 6 will look like for the next consoles.

 

[twilo99]

From what I can see zen5 make for decent server CPUs

 

[Bashtee]

I'd say it's a pretty impressive achievement in efficiency. Same performance with 30-40% less energy consumption.

From what I can see zen5 make for decent server CPUs

Yeah, I agree. Wonder how far they can push it in terms of clock speed with the increased headroom.

Sadly, the core count didn't increase. If the price jump for Threadripper wasn't so big, I'd go with that.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

For someone like me, who still is on Intel Core i5-4570, worth to jump into Zen 5?

Nah. You can wait another 20 years.

 

[Soodanim]

People are crying, but I'm keeping an eye on this as I'm overdue for a new system and the idea that 9800X3D will likely be in a similar range as the champion 7800X3D but at much lower power consumption and heat output is great for me as that's what I'm aiming for every time.

A more efficient CPU should also last longer, so win-win for me as far as I can tell.

 

[FireFly]

Yes.

That's for AVX512 workloads though.

I'd say it's a pretty impressive achievement in efficiency. Same performance with 30-40% less energy consumption.

The 9700X looks to be about 10% better than the 65W 7700 in multi threaded applications and less in gaming. I think Strix Point is arguably more impressive from a pure efficiency standpoint.

 

[GHG]

 

[twilo99]

People are crying, but I'm keeping an eye on this as I'm overdue for a new system and the idea that 9800X3D will likely be in a similar range as the champion 7800X3D but at much lower power consumption and heat output is great for me as that's what I'm aiming for every time.

A more efficient CPU should also last longer, so win-win for me as far as I can tell.

5800x3d - 105W
7800x3d - 120W

I don’t have experience with the 120W part, but I know I can run the 105W air cooled with a very conservative fan curve, so if they can keep the 9800x3d down around 105W and match the 7800x3d in performance I’d consider upgrading as well. 65W would be amazing but I doubt it..

 

[winjer]

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Review - The Best Sub-$300 Gaming CPU

The AMD Ryzen 5 9600X excels in energy efficiency and single-threaded performance. It offers great FPS for gamers and solid application performance. Our review confirms: at just $280, the 9600X is a compelling option against the pricier 7800X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

So Techpowerup says it's amazing value and Hardware Unboxed says it's awful value.

 

[G-DannY]

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Review - The Best Sub-$300 Gaming CPU

The AMD Ryzen 5 9600X excels in energy efficiency and single-threaded performance. It offers great FPS for gamers and solid application performance. Our review confirms: at just $280, the 9600X is a compelling option against the pricier 7800X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

So Techpowerup says it's amazing value and Hardware Unboxed says it's awful value.

HWU are Aussies so it makes sense that things there spin the other side

 

[winjer]

HWU are Aussies so it makes sense that things there spin the other side

In this case, after reading/watching both reviews, I'm more on the side of HU.
The 9600X offers very little over the 7600X, to justify the $80 premium.

 

[GHG]

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Review - The Best Sub-$300 Gaming CPU

The AMD Ryzen 5 9600X excels in energy efficiency and single-threaded performance. It offers great FPS for gamers and solid application performance. Our review confirms: at just $280, the 9600X is a compelling option against the pricier 7800X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

So Techpowerup says it's amazing value and Hardware Unboxed says it's awful value.

Well techpowerup's own graphs don't have it ranking too highly on that metric either:

Sometimes it's better to just look at the numbers and ignore the words.

 

[scydrex]

In this case, after reading/watching both reviews, I'm more on the side of HU.
The 9600X offers very little over the 7600X, to justify the $80 premium.

It should have cost the same. Not more.

 

[winjer]

No... it should have cost the same. Not more.

Did you even read what I wrote?
I said there is no reason for the 9600X to cost $80 more.

 

[Diddy X]

ST seems good compare to 7950X

Also from Kepler_L2: Zen6 is 2027

Glad to see my cheap 7600x is close in performance to more expensive options.

 

[Bojji]

Looks like my 5800X3D will live for next ~2 years.

LOL

I know it's a bit faster in most tests but still...