I have to agree. Comparing that trailer to visuals of Ryse and Infamous.....not much sense going on there.
Uncharted 4 Trailer runs in-engine, in-game, in realtime on a single PS4 at 1080p60
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I have to agree. Comparing that trailer to visuals of Ryse and Infamous.....not much sense going on there.
LittleJohnny
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Call me skeptical, but when he says "Captured" makes me think it was rendered using 100% PS4 assets but using extremely high detail where if ran in real-time, would run at a very low frame rate, but then every frame is captured (aka recorded) and played back at a desired speed. I have no issue with this either way though.
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Never mind, so kind of like Halo 4 cutscenes.
Maybe that's because gamers have a tendency of assigning an unrealistic expectation to the term "real-time" and expect it to be a promise that the game will look exactly like that when it's still deeply in development and probably more than a year away from release. So they fall back on these "lesser" terms that tend to be received with a little more latitude.
I don't think ND has ever been far off their mark when they've shown early footage of any of their games. I can't get too bothered by them showing something at this level and maybe falling a little short. I reckon I can live with that.
The funny thing is, watching this footage initially struck a more uncanny valley vibe with me for some reason than their last gen work ever did.
I don't think ND has ever been far off their mark when they've shown early footage of any of their games. I can't get too bothered by them showing something at this level and maybe falling a little short. I reckon I can live with that.
I agree with this. End result will look close to it, it's mainly the IQ that puzzles me. Which is subtle but at the same time a huge deal as well.
I really hope we can get to see Nathan shirtless.
Olivia Wilde. Severely underrated at how sexy she is. Gorgeous.
anexanhume
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I suppose another benefit of no pre-rendered cutscenes is more disc space for assets or less asset compression, though decompression on the fly doesn't seem to be a bottleneck.
BruceLeeRoy
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I completely disagree character model wise, hair, lighting, foilage wise. The one thing I may give you is the water, but I'm still confident it is just a great detail they included. At 1080p on my 46" Aquos that looks like a gameplay model to me. Not CG. You can see the textures on the face..it's not a seamless CG render if it were CG.
I mentioned earlier...have you, and how many people have, swung the camera to within inches of Marius' face in Ryse? It's incredibly detailed. His hair is absolutely INSANE...in REAL TIME.
I'm an absolute detail/graphics lover. I stop in games and will run the camera into my characters faces...look at their clothing, materials, every object in a scene. I'll spend an hour in a single room studying things (my initial schooling was in graphic art and game design, I ended up in civil engineering).
The PS4 is more powerful...so I don't doubt this being possible and seeing things like Marius' REALTIME character model, especially up close, it doesn't at all look to be impossible or shocking. Do people not think ND is capable of this?
DOF, well done lighting, confined areas, and many other tricks can create incredible looking scenes.
You know what, I'm just going to have to accept some people don't pay as much attention to detail when actually playing games as I do.
Point is, I have no doubt this is in-engine using the games assets in a controlled environment.
Yes I have swung the camera right into Marius face and Delsin. I have stopped the camera and gazed at his amazing facial features.
All I have to say to you is:
You are legit certifiably crazy.
I am a doctor.
jacksepticeye
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Am I on Punked?
Your telling me you think RYSE character models look like this?
Shit's insane. You can almost feel his stubble
Yes I have swung the camera right into Marius face and Delsin. I have stopped the camera and gazed at his amazing facial features.
All I have to say to you is:
You are crazy bro.
OMG! Two amazing looking games! What ever will we do!!!!!!!!
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Dictator93
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Yes I have swung the camera right into Marius face and Delsin. I have stopped the camera and gazed at his amazing facial features.
All I have to say to you is:
You are legit certifiably crazy.
I am a doctor.
Your top screenshot of Ryse is from a preview build, final game scene looks like this:
an, IMO, much more comparable fidelity to the U4 reveal.
LOL
Says the guy that uses a screenshot from the old-build of Ryse. Good job (thumbs up).
Then a screenshot that clearly shows massive amounts of foliage in a daylight setting vs a massive amount of foliage in a night time setting with tons of DOF.
You basically made my point. The Ryse image looks good...the UC images look great. More powerful hardware equals no doubt it's in-engine and we'll see something similar. I've never said they look the same...I have, every time, said the UC video doesn't surprise me based on what we've already seen in even a launch game on lesser hardware.
Edit* As pointed out by another poster above too. Don't argue when you don't know a lot about both situations.
paradise_circus
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Let's all get along in happiness and pray for a shirtless Drake scene this time around
fitgaf would boom even more
BruceLeeRoy
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I'm not contesting that Ryse doesn't look good I think Ryse looks amazing. I am contesting that what were seeing in UC4 is a natural progression from Ryse and Infamous. It is a pretty significant leap to me.
Batman, Witcher, Assassins Creed. Those all look like natural progression. This just came out of nowhere.
Dictator93
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May want to edit your original post IMO to make your comparison more accurate. And I say that because this thread already is full of heat, the last thing we want is people misquoting inaccurate stuff to prove points.
Well heck..I think we're making the same freaking point.
Don't go calling people crazy in that case.
Ah, well I think it is. It's a ND level in-engine shot. As others have stated...the IQ is the only thing one may question. It seems to be just the next step up we'll see this gen.
It's not a comparison. I think people have grown use to "This looks better than that!@#@#!" "No it doesn't!@$#@!#" battles.
BruceLeeRoy
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Just did. Thanks for providing the image.
Still looks like a massive leap to me.
Haha sorry no were not I just wrote that terribly. I meant UC4 is not a natural progression from Ryse and Infamous.
You weren't saying that right?
Muppet of a Man
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It's not just the way the assets look either. It's the lighting and how they move. Screenshots are not conveying those aspects. Although both games look amazing, that's where the UC4 teaser really outshines everything else.
cheezcake
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Better IQ and the incredibly talented animators and character model artists at ND go a long way in making it look a lot better than Ryse and Infamous, but technically speaking its a strong progression, but not a crazy one.
BruceLeeRoy
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Now from a technical standpoint I can completely understand that. I know people like KKRT00 can break down how they achieved that fidelity and why its not so out of left field.
Looking at it though is pretty unbelievable.
Muppet of a Man
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Certainly significant enough to have loads of people questioning whether it was prerendered CGI or not. A lot of it has to do with attention to detail in the UC4 trailer (dripping water from softbodies, sand on softbodies, sand physics, skin wrinkling, facial gestures, lighting) that just have not been matched elsewhere, even in Ryse and Infamous: Second Son.
BruceLeeRoy
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Looking at something like the Witcher and The Order which both look amazing I could see how you could feel that way. They look awesome but within the realms of expectations.
I guess I must have lowered my estimation on what was possible this gen compared to you because I just never expected anything like this.
Ah well, no big deal. I'm at least glad you understand what I'm saying. I'm not here to attack something or say anything looks as good or even on level.
It does look absolutely, insanely, incredible. I hope it looks like this when it hits.
cheezcake
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Yeh the combination of artistic and technical talent at ND is phenomenal. The subtle animations in Drakes face at the start of the trailer, the fly which casts a soft shadow on his face, the water dripping from the nose and the soaked clothes, it all looks spectacular when put together into a single package. It's the attention to these subtle details that make ND stand out from the rest.
Dictator93
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One way they could have done that deformable water is through the playing back of a cached geometry animation. Ryse does that for some of the more crazy physics seen in its cutscenes and gameplay for example:
It looks like real time deformation but is in fact a very clever way to animate.
Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne-KX_OzGH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMR5oFpSriI
IronicSonic
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I really hope we can get to see Nathan shirtless.
So sexy. Love her.
GIANKRATOS
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Same here.
BruceLeeRoy
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Ah well, no big deal. I'm at least glad you understand what I'm saying. I'm not here to attack something or say anything looks as good or even on level.
It does look absolutely, insanely, incredible. I hope it looks like this when it hits.
Shandy I agree with you on to many other topics that we can disagree from time to time.
Oh man very interesting. I wonder if they are doing something similar.
Canis lupus
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I know it's not the best way to compare screenshots (due to compression and resizing), but this is what I call a generation leap.
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This is just surreal.
I have genuinely never been so surprised at a "graphics-reveal" before. It's honestly absolutely insane.
And at 60fps? I seriously cannot believe this. I was giggling like a crazy person the moment Nate showed up. I still can't believe the game will look like this...it's just miles and miles away from ANYTHING else.
I honestly think that ND has a Playstation 5 and are not telling anyone.
I have genuinely never been so surprised at a "graphics-reveal" before. It's honestly absolutely insane.
And at 60fps? I seriously cannot believe this. I was giggling like a crazy person the moment Nate showed up. I still can't believe the game will look like this...it's just miles and miles away from ANYTHING else.
I honestly think that ND has a Playstation 5 and are not telling anyone.
Parhelion69
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Several people have replied, and as said, it's assembly coding, a closed hardware, so it can be much better optimized, Windows has OS and Direct X overhead, and PC gets the "brute force" approach.
BUT, there's more. The magic is in it's compute units (ACE), also known as GPGPU :
http://www.redgamingtech.com/playst...eon-volcanic-island-gpu-compute-similarities/
All AMD GPUs from 7850 to 7970, only have 2 compute units, while the PS4 has 8.
Also:
Furthermore, the PS4 compute queue size has been increased to 8 per ACE, so 64 total, compared to the paltry 4 the 7850 - 7970 have.
AMD has improved their GCN architecture and done the same with the 290x:
http://gearnuke.com/amd-flagship-r9-290x-has-same-number-of-aces-as-the-ps4/
Quote from that article:
Infamous SS used compute extensively for their incredible graphical effects (And who knows what else), so it's highly probable that Uncharted, The Order, Driveclub, etc. Are doing the same. It's certainly the PS4's "secret sauce", and helps tremendously in specific graphical effects.
As for the PC side, I doubt developers use these compute units extensively for games (if at all), as few GPUs have them, and only the 290x has as many as the PS4. And Nvidia is even weaker on the compute department (but they are improving that on their next architecture). As that article said, only Crytek uses ACEs for weather systems.
And as a side note, the Xbox one has only 2 ACEs, but they do have 8 queues per unit, making a total of 16 compute commands, an improvement from PC, but far from the PS4's 64.
Computing units, are another pillar in the PS4 computational power, that allows this kind of visuals.
Team ICE said they are improving the ACEs performance (GPGPU), and that is going to increase the delta with the X1... It's only gonna get better...
Barristan Selmy
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PS4 is starting to look very attractive. If the game is good, count me in. I'll get a PS4 sooner then I expected.
BruceLeeRoy
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That is very very fascinating.
the graphics are not that important. what matters is how it animates.
that face in ryse looks fantastic, but in motion, the entire illusion falls apart--dead eyes, limited range of animations. the same thing is going on with the order. for a game that is so bent on being "filmic," the facial animations are awful.
drake's facial animations are genuinely the most impressive thing i've ever seen in a video game.
that face in ryse looks fantastic, but in motion, the entire illusion falls apart--dead eyes, limited range of animations. the same thing is going on with the order. for a game that is so bent on being "filmic," the facial animations are awful.
drake's facial animations are genuinely the most impressive thing i've ever seen in a video game.
BruceLeeRoy
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Dictator93
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Everything I have highlighted here is factually incorrect or bending of the truth. There is no part of the PS4 GPU from a raw number perspective that makes it better than a 7970 or even comparable with a 290x. Ps4 does not use the same GCN architecture as 290x. At all.
Handy Fake
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The card that was close to the PS3 GPU could not do what the PS3 did in Uncharted 3, Killzone etc ......... this is hardly new ground where a console outperforms a similar class PC GPU.
Digital-Hero
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Haha damn. Suck it haters.
You really didn't read what you quoted correctly did you?
The PS4 and 290x have the same number of ACE's and compute queues, totally correct.
geordiemp
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Your telling me you think RYSE character models look like this?
That's the first time for a game I thought I was watching real life.
Words fail.
I agree with BruceLeeRoy about the "coming out of nowhere". Games like Ryse (game that runs around 30fps), inFSS, BF4, Sunset Overdrive, KZSF, Forza 5, DF, AC:U, The Division look like the expected (and sometimes more) evolution in fidelity from a new generation of hardware especially this early on in its life cycle. U4's teaser not only looks like that while claiming to be real time but also happens to be native 1080p and targeting 60fps. Judging by the expectations from dry specs of the box, most of us are expecting that something has to give as otherwise it causes massive cognitive dissonance.
cheezcake
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Just to clear some stuff up, Windows/directX overhead is negligible. The optimization benefit you see on consoles is gonna come from low level GPU access, which is also the same reason why first party games look so much better than multiplats, they're only targeting a single platform so digging into the hardware at a low level makes sense.
The compute capability of the PS4 is really impressive, but their strength comes in the ability to execute parallel algorithms. Specifically in Infamous: Second Son you see them being utilised for the particle effects, in The Order you'll see them being used to implement the soft body physics. But the downside is they are ONLY useful when executing parallel algorithms, and at the moment there aren't too many. Cerny and the Sony hardware team made a bet that GPGPU algorithms are gonna take off, if that happens you'll see CPU load being shifted and managed far more efficiently on the PS4 GPU in the future. But at the moment it'll probably be limited to particle effects and physics computations.
This is just plain wrong, the 79xx GPU's have 32 compute units, the 78xx GPU's have 20 CU's, both with 2 ACE's. Also both the 7970 and 290x destroy the PS4 GPU in terms of pure processing capability, it's really just math.
I think that if devs learned how to use SPUs on the CELL, they'll learn how to leverage PS4 compute capabilities too. If only, because it can be used on One and PC too.
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