GribbleGrunger
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But ND pride themselves on having more animations on their characters than anyone else, and Drake was no exception. Assissins Creed is very limited in comparison.
Uncharted 4 Trailer runs in-engine, in-game, in realtime on a single PS4 at 1080p60
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But ND pride themselves on having more animations on their characters than anyone else, and Drake was no exception. Assissins Creed is very limited in comparison.
Well a certain slipperiness can't be denied, you're right. But to me (and to ND) the fluency of control is worth the trade-off. Also, Last of Us felt enormously 'grounded' to me.
Whereas on the other hand, navigating/traversal in AC has always felt ... painful to me. Thus any visually good animations never caught my eye.
Perhaps Unity will have a more responsive feel to it, and UC4 will get even more grounded in return, so we shall both be happy. In the meantime I would really like some footage of AC animation that you find impressive. (Not out of spite or something, but rather curiosity, as although I've played every title, no particular animation has ever drawn my attention)
flying dutchman
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This is by far the most impressive graphics seen on any console or PC. This gen is really going to show how console optimisation gives far more than PC grunt pound for pound. This level of graphics hasnt been seen on a i7 titan rig even. (Now no doubt ND could make impressive games if they were doing PC).
Sonys first party studios are without doubt the best group of developers in the world today.
Sonys first party studios are without doubt the best group of developers in the world today.
Fancy Clown
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Uncharted simply has so many more animations and they are all really nuanced as to what's going on around Drake. I definitely feel more connected to the world in Uncharted than AC.
Uncharted 3 had some great animations, but they did feel less polished than 2, a bit more floaty at times.
AC3 had some amazing animations, though i don't know if it had the variety U3 had.
It's a wash for me, really, but i see where Godelsmetric is coming from, when he said they're "more grounded" simply because sometimes U3 would get floaty, with Drake "skating" around, this doesn't apply to all its animations though, so you can find plenty of good examples.
AC3 had some amazing animations, though i don't know if it had the variety U3 had.
It's a wash for me, really, but i see where Godelsmetric is coming from, when he said they're "more grounded" simply because sometimes U3 would get floaty, with Drake "skating" around, this doesn't apply to all its animations though, so you can find plenty of good examples.
Dangoesforth
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I think what he meant was make it more of a challenge, it was a novelty back in 2007. Maybe use the touchpad to time your jumps perfectly, just something other than aim and mash X.
Puzzles I don't get I liked them, made it contextualise the world better.
No it wasn't CG. Journalists saw the Halo 3 trailer rendered in real time right after the conference
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-06-halo-3-announced-plot-details-revealed/1100-6149725/
Also can you see them showing off different camera angles in the vidoc
Wax Free Vanilla
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Can't wait to see what they show next, this Sorcerer demo is the most impressive thing shown running on either console.
I'd say the in-game Ellie doesn't look quite as good as the one from the reveal
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Dangoesforth
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I'm pretty sure that design of Ellie in the first screen is pre-face change
When did that happen? I picked the screen from December 2011
Edit: oops, got my links mixed up. The screen I posted was from May 2012
Compared to the one from 2011 it seems to be post face change
That's from one of the cutscenes which are pre-rendered.A more apt comparison would be to this.
And that is not even the best picture.
TheCanisDirus
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NO contest when comparing to AC. Uncharted feels much more "convincing" to me as well.
Dangoesforth
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The initial reveal was never meant to represent the graphic fidelity whilst in gameplay.
Agreed. It's the nuanced motion that sells it. The way Drake reaches out to the nearest wall to steady himself while moving flat out, for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLGxubfC1Ik
"The following trailer is captured directly from a Playstation 3"
ok, but then why mention that it's realtime when the cutscenes are pre-rendered anyway, and then that would also mean that we can't expect Uncharted 4 to look like the teaser during gameplay.
Pai Pai Master
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And it says nothing about gameplay. This was showcasing an in-engine cutscene and they never claimed that the gameplay would look like that.
I want them to be better. I never liked the gunplay personally. Hand to hand combat was pretty awful as well. I truly hope they steal a bit from Tomb Raider in this regard if I'm being honest.
Other than that, the platforming and puzzles in these games have been pretty bad overall. Every section of the game seemed to be built for Drake to climb. It all seemed too convenient. It was about a step up from Assassins Creed where you just hold A and go. I remember in Tomb Raider Underworld, I actually got stuck in some platforming sections and I found myself having to stop and look around a bit to figure out where to go next. It was very refreshing.
I stuck with Drake because I loved the character and the story. The actual "game" started to get boring about half way through the second. And the third game was a bit of a sleep walk for me. I'll be really disappointed if it's just the same shit again.
Which is why my reaction to this news is very "meh".
Prerendered cutscenes are not a thing anymore in UC4.
OBJECTION! Your old screenshot is from a cutscene as well.
Yes, this. Your comparison is not valid Kinyou.
dr guildo
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Except the temperature of light, where you see a difference ?
Edit : forget my post, I just click in the images, and the difference is quite clear
It's from a teaser that claimed to be directly captured on a PS3, exactly like UC4 teaser.
The argument was that the last of us teaser wasn't supposed to show off the gameplay graphics. Then why shouldn't that be the same with the UC4 teaser?
Lower res textures for example. Look at the top of the shirt or her hair
Agreed, Uncharted animation and nuances in the game are far more realised and grounded than in AC games, TLOU is again on another level, Not to say the guy from Ubisoft wont be great and bring good stuff to the party, but like Corrine they are good,Great people joining the A star team, it can only get better.
This, they have stated this and Disc space is the issue, the trailer is CLEARLY Real-Time and I am sure will only look better when launched.
The "WILL GAMEPLAY" look like this, well clearly not as a cutscene can handle more than a gameplay segment, but it will not be to a huge level and you will be shooting,jumping,puzzling etc to spend the time comparing it at that level. In the end it will be of the same build,model,lighting,texture level to be as close as damn it and not a immersion killer to cause that JUMP from scene to gamplay.
It will be as close as it can be and needed to be to not break the split and immersion.
Ryoohki360
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In in-game cutscene adjust the lod on the fly, just like in crysis 3,during cutscene the lod is thought the roof and characters look awesome (on pc)
SoldierIce64
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I can honestly believe that Uncharted 4 runs at 1080p and looks that great. Naughty Dog did warlock-level magic with the Uncharted games and The Last of Us on PS3, they are among the best looking games of last gen. I can only imagine how crazy awesome current-gen games will look near the end of their cycles.
Well, those cutscenes looked the same in the final game, no? So the trailer showed us something out of the real deal (since everyone was already familiar with their cutscenes being fmvs, it was easy for people to recognize them a such), but now there are no fmvs anymore, so what did they show us instead? -> graphics we can more or less expect to see rendered in realtime during cutscenes in the final game. voila
jacksepticeye
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I actually agree with this. Went back to Uncharted 3 at the end of last year and Drake felt very floaty almost. Like he was moving faster than his feet/animations were showing.
The animations themselves are top notch but the way he moves did feel disconnected
No, it wasn't easy for people to recognise the cut scene as fmv since ND said that it was all directly captured from a PS3.
They didn't do that with any of the uncharted games
That means that "directly captured from a PS3" was a more confusing statement to make back then than it is now, since back then it could at least just as easily have meant (and indeed did mean) prerendered cutscenes as they will appear ingame.
It was either one or the other. Now in UC4 there will only be one kind of cutscenes - real-time ones. They would never do full-Out CGI that had nothing to do with their engine, because they never did anything like that. It was always either gameplay or fmvs. What they gave us at E3 should be seen as at least indicative of how this scene will look in the game as it will be rendered in real time on a single machine. Of course cutscenes can have better faces than traversal, and they have still time to optimize the engine - which is why at this moment the engine is not capable of running this scene at rock solid 60fps, otherwise they would have told us the magic words "realtime" already. (Why put out a teaser that occasionally drops one or two frames just to prove a point? They can do that at GDC if they like) But wether the current build achieves this at 20 or 59 fps we don't know. We know, however, that optimization is ND's magic wand (they had enormous performance issues with their train scene in UC2, and look how it turned out) AND we know that the game will more or less look exactly like this. And that... is exciting, isn't it
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Ah, well in that case confusion is a tad more understandable if that was the first time they did that. Thought someone had mentioned this "captured directly" line had already been in one of the UC2 teasers. If that's not the case, it doesn't change my point but I get why that line was even more irritating (I mean it still is for ppl, otherwise this thread would not be)
- but conclusively what this line should tell us then, is that they have no reason to work their asses off just to achieve that in realtime over a year prior to release, when instead they could show us what the engine should be able to do once the game is out. It shows us their vision (and it's very concrete), but obviously not in realtime, therefore they won't say it. But the mere fact that they needed 8 PS3s to prerender their fmvs and now confidently confirm they did this on a single machine tells me they will get very close to getting this to realtime. in fact they aim even better than this. And I believe them
I guess in the end it just comes down to how much faith you have in Naughty Dog, personally I've been just been burned too often by teasers that didn't quite resemble what we would end up getting I.E. halo 3.That means that "directly captured from a PS3" was a more confusing statement to make back then than it is now, since back then it could at least just as easily have meant (and indeed did mean) prerendered cutscenes as they will appear ingame.
It was either one or the other. Now in UC4 there will only be one kind of cutscenes - real-time ones. They would never do full-Out CGI that had nothing to do with their engine, because they never did anything like that. It was always either gameplay or fmvs. What they gave us at E3 should be seen as at least indicative of how this scene will look in the game as it will be rendered in real time on a single machine. Of course cutscenes can have better faces than traversal, and they have still time to optimize the engine - which is why at this moment the engine is not capable of running this scene at rock solid 60fps, otherwise they would have told us the magic words "realtime" already. (Why put out a teaser that occasionally drops one or two frames just to prove a point? They can do that at GDC if they like) But wether the current build achieves this at 20 or 59 fps we don't know. We know, however, that optimization is ND's magic wand (they had enormous performance issues with their train scene in UC2, and look how it turned out) AND we know that the game will more or less look exactly like this. And that... is exciting, isn't it
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Ah, well in that case confusion is a tad more understandable if that was the first time they did that. Thought someone had mentioned this "captured directly" line had already been in one of the UC2 teasers. If that's not the case, it doesn't change my point but I get why that line was even more irritating (I mean it still is for ppl, otherwise this thread would not be)
- but conclusively what this line should tell us then, is that they have no reason to work their asses off just to achieve that in realtime over a year prior to release, when instead they could show us what the engine should be able to do once the game is out. It shows us their vision (and it's very concrete), but obviously not in realtime, therefore they won't say it. But the mere fact that they needed 8 PS3s to prerender their fmvs and now confidently confirm they did this on a single machine tells me they will get very close to getting this to realtime. in fact they aim even better than this. And I believe them
I'll certainly be dancing on my table if I turn on my PS4 and see realtime graphics like that but for now I'm just cautious.
Okay, but that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to the way the character is 'placed' in the environment by their animations. AC is better at that than UC, or even TLOU. I think that if the animation lead from ACIII can bring that to UC4 then it will be very impressive.
I find all of it impressive, more or less, like I said, for the sense of weight and momentum, and sense that the character is actually interacting with the world. UC all felt 'off' to me by comparison.
Devilinthiscity
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I have faith Naughty Dog can pull off what was shown in the E3 trailer. Either way, their games have always looked impressive visually.
Now that makes me kind of jealous. I would love to love the feel of an AC game. But it never clicked with me. Hope remains in Unity (so to speak).
PLASTICA-MAN
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Daylight uses a dinosaur version of UE4 called UE4 devs, even before the official release of the engine. .In each Everything in it is limitedin that version. The engine is now at 4.2 version, next month we will get 4.3 (maybe next year we will get UE5 lol). With each update, the engine gets better features and runs much better than the previous one. Not only that, but whnever an update is released, you have to start your project from scratch to adapt to the new update and this is with the same engine, let alone shifting from UE3 to UE4. even Don't believe me on what people can do with the actual version of UE4? Better check their forums, I would spend the entire day giving you links giving you links about that and explain to you how it is different, you will surely not understand because you are not a dev or at least use the engine. Also the engine now is open source and everyone skilled can contribute to it and his own new tech. There are reallu surreal additions by people who work in every domain even medical domain.
1.21Gigawatts
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NaughtyDog is setting expectations very high.
People are now expecting Uncharted 4 to be 1080p and 60FPS and look like that trailer or better(like tweet indicates).
Would be fucking ridiculous if they pull it off. Can't imagine what the reaction(from gamers and other developers) would be
People are now expecting Uncharted 4 to be 1080p and 60FPS and look like that trailer or better(like tweet indicates).
Would be fucking ridiculous if they pull it off. Can't imagine what the reaction(from gamers and other developers) would be
Cyborg
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What tweet?NaughtyDog is setting expectations very high.
People are now expecting Uncharted 4 to be 1080p and 60FPS and look like that trailer or better(like tweet indicates).
Would be fucking ridiculous if they pull it off. Can't imagine what the reaction(from gamers and other developers) would be
BloodMoney
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For sure... and while I definitely think U2 was the best of the series, I disagree with a lot of the flak that U3 garners here on GAF. It was an excellent and beautiful game in it's own right, the story just wasn't as epic as U2.
I absolutely cannot wait for U4.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Damn nothing about Uncharted Remastered collection? I relly want to play those games on PS4 like TLOU.
Me thinks you don't understand what 'using the same engine' means in this context
PLASTICA-MAN
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Lol, ok ! If you understand, this is the most important thing.
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