Glimmer is useless, it never runs in your conciousness while playing and you can hit the cap very quickly with nothing to spend. Then you hit time limited event like Iron Banner, where you need about 40k glimmer in a week (with the cap at 25k) because of that event that's available in a condensed time, Xur is worse because you have 2 days, and you're shit out of luck if you want to upgrade more than 3 things in that given week.
Kotaku: Destiny's new exotic system is a total mess.
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Glimmer is useless, it never runs in your conciousness while playing and you can hit the cap very quickly with nothing to spend. Then you hit time limited event like Iron Banner, where you need about 40k glimmer in a week (with the cap at 25k) because of that event that's available in a condensed time, Xur is worse because you have 2 days, and you're shit out of luck if you want to upgrade more than 3 things in that given week.
Destiny for me boils down to this, alone it is an average game, but with a group, it's one of the best games I've ever played. There has simply never been anything as awesome as the raids in a FPS. I'm hopeful that the Strike team takes note of the raids and tries to incorporate the same type of stuff for the next game.
It's not a perfect game, by any means, and is deeply flawed in a lot of areas, but for a new IP, it's a solid base that I'm sure they'll keep building on. The DLC Strikes/Missions are so much better than what shipped with the game, so I feel like they're headed in the right direction. Totally understand why it's not for everyone though.
It's not a perfect game, by any means, and is deeply flawed in a lot of areas, but for a new IP, it's a solid base that I'm sure they'll keep building on. The DLC Strikes/Missions are so much better than what shipped with the game, so I feel like they're headed in the right direction. Totally understand why it's not for everyone though.
Same but with two pieces of vanilla raid gear. Had my Colonel Kurtz moment with Destiny after reading another Destiny thread on Gaf and deleted it.
This is how I feel, about it as well. While bungie could have handled transition smoother by adding additional nods on the existing skill tree, so that process would end up being less disruptive.
Each of my 3 classes as of this morning had 1 *NEW* exotic armor item from upgrade or because of purchase from Xur as well as every slot was filled with either raid found or purchased item from vendor coupled with some new weapons.
In two days all 3 toons will be 31 and well on their way to 32, post that stage all is left is to concentrate on getting gear and bring up exotics. What I am hoping is that they will learn from this and handle next expansion pack better.
I have 2 different Titan exotic helmets and 1 exotic shard. Xur won't allow me to upgrade either. Instead, I can buy 2 Exotic engrams and hope that 1 turns in an exotic Titan helmet. I'd be happy to get one of the ones I already have. I'll probably end up with 2 helmets for another class.
If my two dice rolls tonight come up bad, then I have to wait another week. I wish I could buy something straight up for Xur, but alas, I don't have enough strange coins, and my only option to get strange coins was locked behind the DLC paywall for some reason.
This is where I'm at with Destiny.
If my two dice rolls tonight come up bad, then I have to wait another week. I wish I could buy something straight up for Xur, but alas, I don't have enough strange coins, and my only option to get strange coins was locked behind the DLC paywall for some reason.
This is where I'm at with Destiny.
FloatingDivider
Member
Enjoy waiting atleast another week hoping for RNG to deliver.
schwabdizzle
Banned
Destiny's loot system in general is a total mess. There is not enough carrots on a stick.
yodathesoda
Member
Daily Destiny bitching thread?
Check.
Check.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
WELCOME TO DESTINY
The Lamonster
Member
I don't mind the current exotic system, but it definitely lacks creativity.
What does bother me, though, is how Bungie seemingly has no idea what they're doing. It's like they don't understand their own game or how people are playing it. They have to make a mistake before they can implement a system that actually works.
My message to Bungie would be to listen to your damn fans, cycle out some leadership in your ranks and react much faster to feedback.
What does bother me, though, is how Bungie seemingly has no idea what they're doing. It's like they don't understand their own game or how people are playing it. They have to make a mistake before they can implement a system that actually works.
My message to Bungie would be to listen to your damn fans, cycle out some leadership in your ranks and react much faster to feedback.
By artificially I mean the number of gates put in place that lock a player behind items or upgrades merely so the player has to come back on a different day or slow their progression or something similar. You can only hold 25,000 glimmer, you can only hold 5 (now 10) bounties, Xur is only there on weekends, the Iron Banner is a timed event, you can only hold X amount of marks, your upgrades are stripped if you want to get the more powerful version of a weapon (and can only upgrade when Xur is there [and only when Xur has the item you want to trade in]), you can only do one patrol mission at a time (and there's only like 5 types of patrol missions you will do ever), etc etc etc.
And that's all compounded because in order to get the resources you are going to do the same story missions or same strikes or run around the same area farming for stuff over and over and over. There isn't a lot of meaningful content in the game so they put these artificial things in place so you have to play what little there is there over and over.
Anton Sugar
Member
EternalTruth
Member
Correction, Destiny
is a total mess.
's new exotic system
BreezyLimbo
Banned
He definitely deserves props for the article!
Matrix XII
Member
Maybe this finally disproves all the people that say gameplay > everything else.
Monocle
Member
I feel like that's pretty much what you should expect to see in a video game forum when there's a high profile game that accumulates new problems on the regular.
Gunplay is just a fraction of total gameplay though.
Anton Sugar
Member
Honestly, I was pretty incensed about the Exotics patch but still wanted to see how things played out/kept my game.
The BS introduced with The Dark Below crossed the line for me. At best, they are incompetent; at worst, they are anti-consumer.
you can get 20k in an hour, if you know what to do. But yeah, regular glimmer income is less.
Katana_Strikes
Member
The new system is silly. Have to collect so much type of stuff now for this and that and old stuff you've collected and built a collection of becomes pretty redundant. Just when you feel you're getting somewhere, there's something else to collect. Oh well back to the grind.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
There's another issue with the exotic upgrade system: it changes the stats on the item.
My sun breakers will lose 15 intelligence after going through the Xur upgrade.
My sun breakers will lose 15 intelligence after going through the Xur upgrade.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
All this boils down to is that they want you to GRIND GRIND GRIND and oh yeah don't forget to make more characters to make that grind less terrible!
Oh and their happens to be a nice bonus for Bungie there in that they keep you playing the same shit over and over and assuming you make more characters to lessen the tedium, they then get to say a single person is actually 3 "active players".
I've got almost 200 hours in but haven't touched it since this "expansion". I probably will mind you, but I'm still pissed that they locked people out of content to push them into buying their bullshit grindfest expansion. People have apparently accepted it though so it'll only get worse. Looking forward to that. Ok I guess I'm done ranting now.
Oh and their happens to be a nice bonus for Bungie there in that they keep you playing the same shit over and over and assuming you make more characters to lessen the tedium, they then get to say a single person is actually 3 "active players".
I've got almost 200 hours in but haven't touched it since this "expansion". I probably will mind you, but I'm still pissed that they locked people out of content to push them into buying their bullshit grindfest expansion. People have apparently accepted it though so it'll only get worse. Looking forward to that. Ok I guess I'm done ranting now.
If you have to use an exploit to make a mechanic bearable than maybe its not such a great mechanic?
Something of a flawed comparison dont you think? Considering with those games and Destiny you grind/play to get a loot drop, but then with Destiny you grind said loot drop to upgrade it, so each upgraded exotic represents a much larger time investment than a drop in the games you mentioned.
WrenchNinja
Member
It doesn't. Destiny doesn't have good gameplay to begin with. Just shooting a gun isnt the only aspect of gameplay in a shooter.
DJ_Lae
Member
Yikes, it's even worse than I thought when I peeked at Xur - to upgrade an exotic I own I have to trade it in, 7100'ish gimmer and one shard (which cost 7 coins, which don't just drop like crazy). I also need a second shard for later to fully upgrade it, so that's 14 strange coins.
I'm pretty sure armor costs 13 strange coins, so it's only 6 coins cheaper to upgrade my current one than buy a whole new piece and upgrade it.
I'm pretty sure armor costs 13 strange coins, so it's only 6 coins cheaper to upgrade my current one than buy a whole new piece and upgrade it.
Good gameplay is referring to the combat and movement mechanics, which Bungie nailed the heck out of. Problems like currency accumulation/grinding/etc. that the game has are better described as activity, progression and reward design, not gameplay.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
You know what really sucks?
THEY ARE STILL DISPENSING UN-UPGRADED WEAPONS!
I finally got Gjallahorn last night in the VoG Raid. However, it was the un-upgraded version of it.
Now I have to wait until the new version is available, so I can trade it in. Even though, I got the weapon AFTER the upgraded weapons arrived.
That is straight up BS! Why the hell didn't they switch all weapon drops over to the newer version when the transition to the new content occurred?
THEY ARE STILL DISPENSING UN-UPGRADED WEAPONS!
I finally got Gjallahorn last night in the VoG Raid. However, it was the un-upgraded version of it.
Now I have to wait until the new version is available, so I can trade it in. Even though, I got the weapon AFTER the upgraded weapons arrived.
That is straight up BS! Why the hell didn't they switch all weapon drops over to the newer version when the transition to the new content occurred?
JohnOfMars
Banned
D3 Vanilla to D3 Reaper of Souls was 2 years.
WoW expansions also every 2 years on average.
This "expansion" was 3 months after launch.
ALSO, these true loot game MMO expansions that obsoleted gear had enough new gear to replace old gear. Destiny's "new" exotic loot is pitifully small in that case. It's barely a 3rd of vanilla content. Clearly, that was not their intent.
This system is grindy, random and punitive.
They cannot fix Destiny because they're trying to spread too little an amount of content across $100 worth of purchases. If Destiny 2 ships with enough content and doesn't have DLC that seems like it was ripped out of the base game, it could be better. I just have no idea whether the arrangement with Activision is going to give them enough time.
I have yet to participate in Iron Banner so I can't speak on it, but as far as Xur goes, if someone really felt the need to upgrade every single exotic they had all at once rather than spread it out throughout the coming weeks, they still can. Just need to commit to farming glimmer. I don't see the glimmer cost as a negative.
I think it's far more punitive to hardcore players because they are the ones who will have multiple, fully upgraded exotics. All of that time and all of those mats down the shitter.
And yes, it is a complete mess.
"Earning money fast" is not an exploit. It's just a way of maximizing your time.
Getting the best weapons in the game for WoW and Diablo is by no means a trivial amount of time. Especially when you're talking about 10-25 person raids, and each boss only dropping like 3 items out of a unique loot table (which you then have to roll for against other people). I don't expect people who haven't played WoW to like it or even think it's good game design, but I'd say the time sink is pretty comparable. At least you can buy from Xur or level up dropped weapons on your own -- you need an entire weekly raid to even have a shot at them in WoW.
What the fuck happened to you, Bungie?
It's like they have no one with a brain working behind these systems. They just do shit and hope it works.
The entire progression system was stupid from the get-go, and all these "fixes" only create different problems.
It's like they have no one with a brain working behind these systems. They just do shit and hope it works.
The entire progression system was stupid from the get-go, and all these "fixes" only create different problems.
Anton Sugar
Member
But there is a difference between WoW and D3 in time of expansions. Also a lot of level 90 gear from high tier raids are still good to go to level 100 most of them and getting replaced later in dungeons/raids because quests doesn't give them the benefit of what they have in higher tier raids in WoW.
Also Diablo 3 RoS has changed significant in terms of loot. From 60 to 70? Yeah there is some difference but there loot drops a lot more then Destiny since it's a Action RPG with a lot of content that you can do over and over but there keeping it fresh with Nephalem Rifts with different tiles,enemy's etc every Nephalem Rift is not the same,every Greater Rift is not the same.
Problem is now how i see it with this new DLC for destiny everything people worked towards are useless in less months of that the game came out. With WoW there is a difference between 1 or 2 years per expansion yes new content is coming in patches but it takes time to make a new raid and dungeon to upgrade your previous gear but another thing they added when you have points you can improve your ilevel even higher with better stats they will get higher tier gear but in due time not as in a fast rate like this and the economy in a game like WoW is different then Destiny and comparing them when i think of it isn't the same.
You're the one who called it an exploit, not I, or a trick if you prefer, which is synonomous with exploit, I've no particular interest in discussing the semantics of it. Abusing one part of the system to make another bearable is poor design.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Here is the thing with Destiny 2 that I am wondering:
How are they going to handle the upgrade system?
I mean think about it. The game relies on people having upgraded gear to enjoy new content. Lets say they put out a Destiny 2 when the level cap from the first game is like 40 or something.
How are people who are buying the new game, who are below and WELL below that level cap, supposed to play it? Theoretically, you will have players starting the game fresh and players who didn't go through the DLC and are still level 20-30. How will the game accommodate them and still cater to the guys at max level? It seems like an impossible feat.
The only solution I could see if make everyone start over again with Destiny 2. However, I think that will piss off a lot of the core fans who went all the way through the game's total content.
Difference with Destiny and WoW, you get individual loot far faster than you ever did in WoW. What interests me about this discussion is I see many focus on the fact that their raid gear will now be replaced and so on, I simply don't understand why that bothers people. To me, gear is a means to an end, in this case it's a means to do the raid. With the first half that I did last night, it's well worth it. So long as the the raids and generally messing about with my friends online remains fun, gear isn't something I'm going to be attaching myself to.
Once the new expansion comes out my only concern will be to get the pieces I need to waltz into the new raid and get things going.
They've already implemented different difficulty levels in story missions, it'll work just fine if new characters are running missions at level 20, and imported Destiny 1 characters start at 28-34.
Exclusion Zone on Mars?
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
What? I'm sorry, Is that an unreasonable expectation? To expect that newer versions of the weapons should replace the old ones?
Sheeeesh! You'd think I was asking for something extraordinary!
Except that your old gear isn't useless and can still be used in all the new content. On top of that it's relatively quick to replace. I don't understand the mentality that your stuff is "useless" just because it's not the highest level in the game. I'm still tearing enemies up with Suros Regime and Atheon's Epilogue.
WoW upgrades the maximum iLevel of gear every time a new raid tier begins, also making old gear "useless" by the same mentality. They don't release raids quite as often but I can't imagine anyone would really complain if they did.
Hellshingu
Member
I would gladly take an un-upgraded gjallahorn over the imaginary one I have right now. But either way it still sucks that VoG drops 300 weapons while literraly every single other are has the chance to drop 331 weapons.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Dude, that just sounds REALLY problematic as the level gap only widens.
Especially in the competitive aspect of the game.
I don't think people are going to enjoy the idea of trying to play missions designed for the big boys and fight battles against them when they're friggin 30 or 40 levels behind them. Very discouraging to new players.