Exactly. Which is why releasing the trailer at 60 to the general public was a dumb idea.
Uncharted 4 Trailer runs in-engine, in-game, in realtime on a single PS4 at 1080p60
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shadowsdarknes
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This is not a watch dogs situation at all. Nice try.
Meh, the people who care about 30 vs 60 fps should be able to think about scenarios like that.
The general public won't care anyway.
I don't know man, the image below shows some pretty jarring differences, so it's not just about the framerate.
I grabbed that image from somewhere, I'm not the author, please don't shoot.
It's always hilarious to me when I see this picture. People always use it as a way to suggest that Uncharted 4 has been downgraded. But then when you think about it, you should realize that this is only pre-alpha footage with nearly a year of work to be added to it.
A lot can be done within a matter of months, for example:
It's so rare to see an actual upgrade these days. The Order looks simply incredible.
I don't know man, the image below shows some pretty jarring differences, so it's not just about the framerate.
I grabbed that image from somewhere, I'm not the author, please don't shoot.
Hahaha...oh fuck at you using this image.
Some better screengrabs from the Gamersyde video:
Seems as good or even slightly better than the reveal.
I think another good example of this happening in Sony's first party studios was the difference between the God of War 3 E3 demo and the review code. It was a fairly similar time gap as well - around 9 months.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-godofwariii-demo-vs-retail-blog-entry
It's tricky when interviews during the release window for TLOU Remastered were talking about their hopes for targeting 60 fps as a standard moving forward, but the interview talking about how hard it is to hit 60 with Uncharted 4 doesn't itself mean they won't hit it, and any design decisions leading to a shift to 30 fps would be from weighing the advantages of what they can do there that they couldn't under a 60 fps engine load.
Primethius
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They have no honor.
Always-honest
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Sure, just grab that thing to prove a downgrade. Haha.
Why not wait untill release to prove a downgrade? Just a suggestion.
And yes, chances on 60 fps are slim. And i don't think many people will really care of the game is a steady 30 fps.
While I'm definitely on your side, you have to keep in mind that the PS3 was a lot harder to optimize.
So I don't think we will see improvements to the same extent.
But hey, who knows how far that pre-alpha even was.
I think it's time to send this to Wells and Balestra so they know what to do.
Dictator93
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Hey, don't blame the title. I don't stick my neck out without evidence (most of the time)
PR speak decode time.
1. In game visuals = means in game assets
2. in 3D = the graphics have 3 dimensions, aka, polygons bro
3. captured on a PS4 = direct lift from form PS4 output
Nothing in there says real time. I do not doubt Drakes LOD 0 model being like that (as well as having more facial morphs and bones and shit in cutscenes), but I still think we were perhaps a dooped a weebit by their original PR conncerning it.
isn't this a bit more substantial than the Watch_Dogs situation? with Watch_Dogs it was just certain graphical effects that didn't make the final version, right? like the smoke coming from the sewer and stuff like that?
going from 60fps to 30fps is a bit more significant than that in my opinion
Crash Bandicoot was written in a proprietary programming language.
Naughty Dog is getting lazy.
Haha you're seriously comparing this to what happened with Watch Dogs?
Oh the narratives that some people come up with...
Some better screengrabs from the Gamersyde video:
Seems as good or even slightly better than the reveal.
screengrabs of a cutscene.
viveks86
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Hexa
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Exactly the same as the reveal. They're both real time.
nelsonroyale
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I can certainly understand the 60 > 30, but being disappointed by these visuals this early in the game? It looks stunning to me by any metric. And the purely forest environments were always the weakest visually for me in Uncharted games. Well, this already looks stunning. The lighting in the scene where he enters the forest grove before the cutscene is very natural.
viveks86
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Might want to read the OP next time before being cynical. This isn't PR. It's just a case of a dev (currently) struggling to meet their lofty target.
Also kingfire's response has you covered
Considering the supposed downgrade happens to cutscene footage, surely this is comparable.
It's like the UC3 debacle all over again but in realtime.
It is relative. Watch_Dogs looks great, but the debate was about the downgrade, not whether the game looked good or bad. Uncharted 4 looks good, but one can argue that it got downgraded due to 30 fps and worse visuals at this point.
ND still has a year to work on this game, so who knows...
Journey
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My original reply was to clarify that It's not just a framerate difference, and I simply googled comparisons, clicked on images and that was one of the hits. Image or no image, it's pretty clear that there was a downgrade to the visuals as well, not just the framerate. That was the point of my reply, not to shit on anything as you're wrongfully accusing me of.
Insane Metal
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No they don't. Stop.
Yes, they do.
Some better screengrabs from the Gamersyde video:
Seems as good or even slightly better than the reveal.
Yeap. I'm almost certain that when the game releases, the very cut scene they showed in the initial reveal, will be present within the game.
I honestly think the heavy depth of field is what gave it that extra graphical realism, as it hides a lot of the flaws in geometry and textures otherwise present. These shots from the PSX demo show just how much of a different even a small amount of depth if field can make.
Barely any depth of field.
More depth of field.
Nope. At half the framerate to boot. But people shouldn't have such ridiculous expectations of the hardware IMO.
Neff
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Not really. It probably helped generate a lot of good word of mouth about PS4's power and sell a lot of hardware, even if Sony and ND knew full well that they were full of shit at the time.
Jilted later expectations are fine when you're building an install base early in a console's life, and people should expect this sort of thing from Sony now, to be honest.
That's a bizzarre theory. Some people buy ps4 for this trailer? O_O
It absolutely looks amazing and will look amazing. It's Naughty Dog, so we all know that jaws will drop. Look at what they did on PS3, for crying out loud.
Half the framerate, but they look just as good.
nelsonroyale
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We have like with like to compare WD with though, we don't here. 60 to 30 is a big deal, but I don't think there is much difference in the visuals if you compare cutscenes with cutscenes. Anyway, the only other TPS games that are comparable visually would be the Order and Ryse. That is pretty good company.
The Artisan
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No, but with their "captured directly from Ps4" message in the trailer it was clearly to get people to see what the Ps4 was really, really capable of, in slew of all the new gen games that've come out with underwhelming graphics to consumers.
I don't know man, the image below shows some pretty jarring differences, so it's not just about the framerate.
I grabbed that image from somewhere, I'm not the author, please don't shoot.
Every time someone posts this I will now reply with the image below.
The game will presumably look even better by the time it releases, and if it does so while retaining the excellent level of IQ in the gameplay demo I will find it hard to complain about the graphics at all.
Jesus people are fucking picky. Games have fucking looked great to me this generation.
I honestly hope that there will be at least one MP map based on this part....
gamerMan
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I think I was surprised when they said the original teaser was running at 60fps as even the Last Of Us Remastered dropped frames when there were a lot of enemies or effects onscreen. That was a last-gen game.
How would in be possible to run Uncharted 4 at 60fps with all the tech they showed off? Quiet honestly, I would be happy to see the original E3 teaser running in the final game at 30fps.
How would in be possible to run Uncharted 4 at 60fps with all the tech they showed off? Quiet honestly, I would be happy to see the original E3 teaser running in the final game at 30fps.
I don't know man, the image below shows some pretty jarring differences, so it's not just about the framerate.
I grabbed that image from somewhere, I'm not the author, please don't shoot.
It's pretty funny how much this image has done given it was made as a joke.
If they do decide to go with 30fps I feel graphics with probably improve because I think the demo could have looked better if they were aiming for 30fps(Demo was said to be running about 40 or so but locked to 30 for demonstration purposes)
Still it will be quite a surprise to be at least given all they have said about wanted to go 60fps for all their games going forward and the PS4 supposedly having "more than enough for 1080p60fps).
LukasTaves
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And comparing cut scene to gameplay no less. The cut scene visuals in the recent demo looked pretty immense.
The cutscenes on the demo looked great, but it's clear to see they are not at the same level from the reveal.
Lightning and shadowing are immediately a step back from the trailer, as well geometry. In the reveal even when zooming in it was difficult to spots polygon edges, and in the new footage they are all over the place (And Drake was much closer to the camera in the reveal so it would be even more easy to spot). Granted, it's still hard to spot polygon edges in Drake's model but it just looks like a simplified version of the reveal model, special from the close up with open wounds.
His clothes for instance, a very big. In the preview drakes cloth has much more volume, with the wrinkles either being from real geometry or using a more complex shader to simulate the effect. While now it's clear it's just a texture simulating depth.
It might be all just lightning changes, but lightning alone has taken a substantial hit. And not just different time of day changes, the new lightning model looks far more basic than before.
I grabbed that image from somewhere, I'm not the author, please don't shoot.
Let me guess about the author..MrX?
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