Audioboxer
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Father Gascoigne.... 5th times a charm! Hopefully, I can get some co-op action now.
Bloodborne |OT| Now With Newcomers Guide Attached Below OP
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StaffyManasse
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I can leave work in 1 hour 46 minutes, but I promised myself I'll go to gym before going full nerd mode with Bloodborne. So it's something like 3 and a half hours to go for me.
DrROBschiz
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I actually think his first form is MUCH harder than his beast form lol
He kept getting me with that damn gun lol
mordecaii83
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I think if you have 0 insight then that happens.
Some lifehacks for people who get stuck all the time and have issues
1. Exploit the Regain system
The Regain system allows you to get your HP back if you attack enemies shortly after suffering damage. Sometimes though you get more damage than you can regain from an enemy (because he has less HP and therefore you can do less hits), but as of right now you can keep hitting enemies until their death animation is done. I can't imagine this being intended by FROM, and it saves some Blood Phials in areas with tougher enemies that take time to kill.
2. Buy the Hunter gear
The game is really hard if you use your basic gear. Fortunately, you can buy a 4-piece armor set at the vendor in Hunter's dream for about 2500 blood echoes in total. And yeah, that armor set is pretty much a game changer for the beginning section of Bloodborne. You can do this even before the first boss. If you have issues getting 2500 blood echoes though
3. First shortcut and small farming route
NOT saying that this is a particularly good farming route, but it did help me getting the Hunter gear and some level ups quite fast. Many people miss this, but you can open up a shortcut to the bridge that leads to the first boss fight (Cleric beast). Just go down the stairs after the two wolves, go through the house, go downstairs, leave the house, follow the stairs, kill the one enemy with the torch and axe and go further and you will open up a gate. Now, what I did was to go back and instead of going into the house, you can go under the bridge where two big guys wait for you. Kill them, go through the house again, go upstairs, kill the 3 ravens + the big guy and rinse and repeast, and if you feel confident enough kill the wolves as well.
This makes about 850 per run, and about 1500 if you kill wolves as well.
4. Use the projectile weapon all the time
This is - to me- the probably most important key mechanic so far. Your weapon has the ability to stun enemies and even bosses if you time your shot right. You should NOT care about the bullets at all, since a lot of enemies drop the randomly (you can farm the dude in the wheelchair that is in the house which leads you to the first shortcut) and you can craft your own bullets if you press UP on the D-Pad, which you should totally do since blood phials drop all the time.
If you time your shot right (just shoot right before an enemy attacks), a sound will be played and you will see enemies on their knees. GET CLOSE and press R1 to do destroy enemies.
5. Upgrade your shit
You will find a bunch of bloodshards in the beginning areas of the game which you can use in the Hunter's dream to upgrade your weapons. A +1 weapon is a different beast that a regular weapon with no upgrades at all.
Also, learn the icons! Learn which attribute does your weapon scale with and improve that attribute at the puppet.
6. The first boss
The Cleric Beast is a very epic fight and will not only test your abillities but also prepare you for what's to come since this enemy can only be killed if you accept the new mechanics and use them all the time. What I mean by that is that dodging and sidestepping are essential in this fight, and because of the small area and the crazy camera this can be annoying. The Cleric Beast's moveset involve mostly his two arms which he uses for a bunch of front attacks - what helped me was to get close, waiting for him to start an attack and then dash behind him, do a few hits and evade afterwards. He has an attack where he attacks backwards, too, but will only use it if you spend too much time behind him. Another great thing about him is that you can stun him with your weapon; the gun is super helpful since you can keep your distance and repeatedly shoot him (!) until he gets stunned, which means you get close and slash his face open. If he does his scream, slash the shit out of him or throw molotovs and burn him. You can finish this fight in like 2 minutes.
7. The second boss
Few here had issues with him which is why I was kinda worried at first, but I got him on my second try. This boss is much faster and reckless than the first one, but also not a problem if you figure him out and use the environment wisely. The the biggest advantage here is that for the most time you fight a humanoid that has the same sizes as you and follows the same ruleset as you, which means you can exploit the tombstones and trees to keep your distance between him. He is deadly if you keep too much open space between you and him, so be careful.
He uses the same moveset as you: rolling, shooting, weapon transformation etc. Always keep him on lock, be ready to dodge all the time and get a feeling for his movements. If you get a better understanding about that, use your projectile right before he attacks (or when he is rolling!) to shoot and stun him and cut him open. Don't go beserk on him with normal hits though as he breaks out of hitstuns and will attack you (always do 3-4 attacks when attacking him without stun, which you should do when he does a jump attack or anything that takes time to recover).
It's pretty easy to nullify his gun and hard attacks if you keep objects between him and you, and when he reaches like 15% - 20%, he will transform into a beast. You can STILL fuck him up during transformation, and you should, but when his transformation reaches its peak you might get pushed on the ground if you are to close. His beast is fucking crazy and might kill you, but what I did was to dodge some attacks until I was behind him and then I threw a molotov to burn and kill him.
I know all of this is known to skilled players, but seems like there are some having issues here and there. Hope this might help anybody!
edit: sorry for the bad English, but my brain doesn't quite work yet after my first playing session lol
1. Exploit the Regain system
The Regain system allows you to get your HP back if you attack enemies shortly after suffering damage. Sometimes though you get more damage than you can regain from an enemy (because he has less HP and therefore you can do less hits), but as of right now you can keep hitting enemies until their death animation is done. I can't imagine this being intended by FROM, and it saves some Blood Phials in areas with tougher enemies that take time to kill.
2. Buy the Hunter gear
The game is really hard if you use your basic gear. Fortunately, you can buy a 4-piece armor set at the vendor in Hunter's dream for about 2500 blood echoes in total. And yeah, that armor set is pretty much a game changer for the beginning section of Bloodborne. You can do this even before the first boss. If you have issues getting 2500 blood echoes though
3. First shortcut and small farming route
NOT saying that this is a particularly good farming route, but it did help me getting the Hunter gear and some level ups quite fast. Many people miss this, but you can open up a shortcut to the bridge that leads to the first boss fight (Cleric beast). Just go down the stairs after the two wolves, go through the house, go downstairs, leave the house, follow the stairs, kill the one enemy with the torch and axe and go further and you will open up a gate. Now, what I did was to go back and instead of going into the house, you can go under the bridge where two big guys wait for you. Kill them, go through the house again, go upstairs, kill the 3 ravens + the big guy and rinse and repeast, and if you feel confident enough kill the wolves as well.
This makes about 850 per run, and about 1500 if you kill wolves as well.
4. Use the projectile weapon all the time
This is - to me- the probably most important key mechanic so far. Your weapon has the ability to stun enemies and even bosses if you time your shot right. You should NOT care about the bullets at all, since a lot of enemies drop the randomly (you can farm the dude in the wheelchair that is in the house which leads you to the first shortcut) and you can craft your own bullets if you press UP on the D-Pad, which you should totally do since blood phials drop all the time.
If you time your shot right (just shoot right before an enemy attacks), a sound will be played and you will see enemies on their knees. GET CLOSE and press R1 to do destroy enemies.
5. Upgrade your shit
You will find a bunch of bloodshards in the beginning areas of the game which you can use in the Hunter's dream to upgrade your weapons. A +1 weapon is a different beast that a regular weapon with no upgrades at all.
Also, learn the icons! Learn which attribute does your weapon scale with and improve that attribute at the puppet.
6. The first boss
The Cleric Beast is a very epic fight and will not only test your abillities but also prepare you for what's to come since this enemy can only be killed if you accept the new mechanics and use them all the time. What I mean by that is that dodging and sidestepping are essential in this fight, and because of the small area and the crazy camera this can be annoying. The Cleric Beast's moveset involve mostly his two arms which he uses for a bunch of front attacks - what helped me was to get close, waiting for him to start an attack and then dash behind him, do a few hits and evade afterwards. He has an attack where he attacks backwards, too, but will only use it if you spend too much time behind him. Another great thing about him is that you can stun him with your weapon; the gun is super helpful since you can keep your distance and repeatedly shoot him (!) until he gets stunned, which means you get close and slash his face open. If he does his scream, slash the shit out of him or throw molotovs and burn him. You can finish this fight in like 2 minutes.
7. The second boss
Few here had issues with him which is why I was kinda worried at first, but I got him on my second try. This boss is much faster and reckless than the first one, but also not a problem if you figure him out and use the environment wisely. The the biggest advantage here is that for the most time you fight a humanoid that has the same sizes as you and follows the same ruleset as you, which means you can exploit the tombstones and trees to keep your distance between him. He is deadly if you keep too much open space between you and him, so be careful.
He uses the same moveset as you: rolling, shooting, weapon transformation etc. Always keep him on lock, be ready to dodge all the time and get a feeling for his movements. If you get a better understanding about that, use your projectile right before he attacks (or when he is rolling!) to shoot and stun him and cut him open. Don't go beserk on him with normal hits though as he breaks out of hitstuns and will attack you (always do 3-4 attacks when attacking him without stun, which you should do when he does a jump attack or anything that takes time to recover).
It's pretty easy to nullify his gun and hard attacks if you keep objects between him and you, and when he reaches like 15% - 20%, he will transform into a beast. You can STILL fuck him up during transformation, and you should, but when his transformation reaches its peak you might get pushed on the ground if you are to close. His beast is fucking crazy and might kill you, but what I did was to dodge some attacks until I was behind him and then I threw a molotov to burn and kill him.
I know all of this is known to skilled players, but seems like there are some having issues here and there. Hope this might help anybody!
edit: sorry for the bad English, but my brain doesn't quite work yet after my first playing session lol
duck_sauce
Member
Co op is working? Ringed that bell,wasted one insight and no one came. That's not good. Nothingeven a message if it worked and the game is looking for players or not. How long are we suposed to wait around?
flipswitch
Member
What does the little green or brown dot underneath the ammunition icon on the top left side of the UI mean. Where it shows you how many bullets you have left.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I think its more people are expecting everything to have awesome damage rather than actually using their heads and thinking rationally.
Seriously giant axe of doom vs toothpick whip. Which do you seriously think is going to do more damage to the giant pissed off half rotting furry thing with fangs?
I couldn't wait until Friday so I bought $60 of PSN vouchers and got the digital version from the US store.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Another thing form the video; the number of moves from one weapon is also staggering. You can charge strong attacks, back step with light or strong attacks, roll with strong and light attacks, do transforming attacks mid roll and backstep, light attacks can be comboed up to 4 attacks and each trick weapon has 2 movesets meaning all of this x2.....its overwhelming.
Played for about 2 hours. So good!
The biggest change coming from Dark Souls is no shield, so I've had to change my tactics up a bit.
Chose Violent Past origin with Hunter Axe. Love the two handed charge up attack, even though it's super dangerous if you miss because of the cooldown animation.
Loading times are annoying, but I can deal with them as I just browse GAF on my phone.
But the framerate/framepacing issues are quite annoying coming from the PC version of Dark Souls 1 and 2. It feels much less responsive.
The biggest change coming from Dark Souls is no shield, so I've had to change my tactics up a bit.
Chose Violent Past origin with Hunter Axe. Love the two handed charge up attack, even though it's super dangerous if you miss because of the cooldown animation.
Loading times are annoying, but I can deal with them as I just browse GAF on my phone.
But the framerate/framepacing issues are quite annoying coming from the PC version of Dark Souls 1 and 2. It feels much less responsive.
DrROBschiz
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Audioboxer
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I was fine through first forms. It was the beast form combos that kept getting me where he hits you again when you're down.
Parry combos, molotovs and the
music box
Staggers him in beast form as well.My man! This as well. Up the stairs, off the roof, and repeat lol.
Hi, it's me again, you know, the guy waiting till Friday while still feeling he might not be able to get into Bloodborne despite / because of being a big Souls fan.
To reiterate my previous question: Is there anybody here who has played the game that feels like Bloodborne could be a severe step back from the Souls games in terms of character builds and combat strategy and variety? I.e. that it could be a better action game but a lesser RPG than the Souls games because of less options for roleplaying?
To clarify where I'm coming from with this: even after seeing some footage, I can't shake the feeling that this game is going too far in forcing the player to be daring and dex/str focused in combat by simply taking away shields and any sort of long ranged magic attacks. If true, this makes me wonder why so few people seem disappointed with this. Any action RPG should allow players to find their own strategies, and not force them to play as similar builds that centre around dodging hits and doing quick melee strikes, no? What, in other words, is the justification for not allowing us to play as some form of mage / pyro / cleric variety (apart from this technically not being a Souls game)? Why take something away that felt liberating in the previous games?
The more of these games come out, the less I'm sure I liked them because of the same reasons as most other players. For me, I never cared about the social interaction, PvP or about the high challenge taken on its own; I liked playing on my own while controlling a character with abilities that I felt enabled me to deal with most situations if I was smart about it. I liked the challenge and oppressive atmosphere because they forced / stimulated me to find creative strategies for each situation and to play defensively and carefully overall.
So far, Bloodborne seems to have gone out of its way to make such a (cowardly?) playing style impossible and I'm really not looking forward to having to try bosses again and again because the only way to beat them is to "get gud" in terms of getting in their faces and dodging their attacks. That might be how some have always played the Souls games as well, but not me and I'm starting to feel as if I'm getting out of tune with Miazaki's design philosophy.
To reiterate my previous question: Is there anybody here who has played the game that feels like Bloodborne could be a severe step back from the Souls games in terms of character builds and combat strategy and variety? I.e. that it could be a better action game but a lesser RPG than the Souls games because of less options for roleplaying?
To clarify where I'm coming from with this: even after seeing some footage, I can't shake the feeling that this game is going too far in forcing the player to be daring and dex/str focused in combat by simply taking away shields and any sort of long ranged magic attacks. If true, this makes me wonder why so few people seem disappointed with this. Any action RPG should allow players to find their own strategies, and not force them to play as similar builds that centre around dodging hits and doing quick melee strikes, no? What, in other words, is the justification for not allowing us to play as some form of mage / pyro / cleric variety (apart from this technically not being a Souls game)? Why take something away that felt liberating in the previous games?
The more of these games come out, the less I'm sure I liked them because of the same reasons as most other players. For me, I never cared about the social interaction, PvP or about the high challenge taken on its own; I liked playing on my own while controlling a character with abilities that I felt enabled me to deal with most situations if I was smart about it. I liked the challenge and oppressive atmosphere because they forced / stimulated me to find creative strategies for each situation and to play defensively and carefully overall.
So far, Bloodborne seems to have gone out of its way to make such a (cowardly?) playing style impossible and I'm really not looking forward to having to try bosses again and again because the only way to beat them is to "get gud" in terms of getting in their faces and dodging their attacks. That might be how some have always played the Souls games as well, but not me and I'm starting to feel as if I'm getting out of tune with Miazaki's design philosophy.
Sanctuary
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I don't understand the parry timing against the brick wieding Ogre, at all. I wasn't having any issues parrying them, and then all of a sudden it's like they become unparryable.
Killed four of them easily with parries, then end up dying to a later version, go back to get my blood and die to it again because it simply wouldn't get parried for shit.
Killed four of them easily with parries, then end up dying to a later version, go back to get my blood and die to it again because it simply wouldn't get parried for shit.
IAmRandom31
Banned
One thing I noticed is how DRAMATICALLY resistances play a role in this game
If you are using the Kirk Hammer you may have come across quite a few enemies who are resistant to blunt damage.
Not to mention it has a sweet spot for the hit. Probably the most tricky weapon to use and I was a tad disappointed at the Hammer's stun ability. Enemies seem to recover from the hit faster than I can follow up.
Unless I use the charged R2
was the same way in Demons. For example those bug creature things in 2-1 , 2-2 and such were heavily resistant to most damages except piercing damage. You could spend 5 minutes on each of those things if you didn't have a piecing weapon or a magic weapon of some sort.
once the japanese start playing, there'll be plenty of cooperation :3
and yeah, sucks it wastes your insight wether or not it'd work.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Don't stand too close or too far away from him. He should do a charging attack - shoot when he's like 1/4th second from attacking you.
Projectjustice
Banned
I found a shield last night though. They are in the game.
Can we all agree that the guy who did the level design should win every Game Award of this year ? I mean wow, the way the level are made with multiple path, shortcut, secret and exploration is insanely good ! I feel like I play a MetroidVania. I'm really looking forward later area.
DrROBschiz
Member
not at all man
youll be really surprised at how deep the weapons are.. There is so much I have yet to discover but the movesets are GREATLY expanded and varied this time around
And this isnt even covering the new upgrade system
schwabdizzle
Banned
Was anyone else disappointed there was no monacle available in character creation? I was
The Xtortionist
Member
Pump Arcane and buy shitloads of molotovs
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Canewhip Cleric vidoe is 73%ish complete
almost there hunters
almost there hunters
Umbasa! another Soul brother
Johan Liebert
Member
Ludwigs blade and Repeating pistol is my current favorite combo right now.
At the fourth boss. Was having some trouble there. Need to work on the dodging and parrying.
He phases in and out depending on what point of the story you're at.
At the fourth boss. Was having some trouble there. Need to work on the dodging and parrying.
He phases in and out depending on what point of the story you're at.
Yes, yes!
He comes and goes
IAmRandom31
Banned
Going through all this adversary already in the game and then that moment you realize you haven't even opened another archstone yet.
ooooo boy
ooooo boy
Nightengale
Member
Bought on PSN.
Now to wait for it to download... =(
Now to wait for it to download... =(
Novum_Veritas
Member
Hey man that fucking hunter with thein Old yharnam is no joke. Pissed me off for a straight hourmachine gun
I know right? That dude was a pain, especially how much damage he is dealing.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Magic was bad in Souls. Ruined the single player as well as multiplayer.
Usual Suspect
Member
On a blind run, just stopping by to say: what an amazing game!
Aztechnology
Member
How do I use ruins. Please someone tell me!
Cheers guys, that makes me feel slightly better. To be clear: I will give the game a chance to grow on me of course. I'll report back on Friday, Amazonian Postal God willing.
I understand where you're coming from.
From what I've played so far, so game really overpushes aggressive style over cautious defensive styles, and I immediately thought that quite a lot of Souls games fans would not like it so much.
After beating 2 bosses(and dying to the third) I can say that I haven't found any worthwhile shields, or alternatives to an aggressive play style yet. Though I'm at the begninning so I can't know for sure.
You just have to get used to it I guess. I'm personally liking it so far, but if you really prefer to play in a slow and defensive manner, then yeah the game can disappoint you a bit.
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