Avengers: Age of Ultron |OT| If you open this thread, you're an Avenger

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Blizzard said:
I disagree about Guardians of the Galaxy -- I'd put that as one of my favorite Marvel movies, maybe even #1, and Age of Ultron perhaps below one of the Captain America movies. I'm guessing this comes down to personal taste and some people may feel strongly one way or another.


Overall: I enjoyed the movie, but my faith in Marvel has been shaken a tiny bit. The characters are still fun, but things felt disjointed. Ultron was unexpectedly one of the most entertaining parts.


In particular, I kept feeling like lines and scenes in the first half were oddly clipped and edited. I can't remember which scene, but I think one of the Avengers was talking to a woman, and it was some sort of important or emotional moment, and the scene ended almost mid-sentence with a cut to black or another scene.

Even had the editing been smoother, I think this movie may have been a bunch of flashy scenes with Avengers doing flashy things, rather than a bunch of scenes that fit together into a story. One might say that of many Marvel movies, but I do not remember it being true to this extent. Granted, I still LIKE the various characters, and they have their chemistry, and they are fun to watch though Thor's accent felt a little forced or sloppy this time.

Again maybe this was true of previous Marvel and Avengers movies, but a couple of moments felt particularly contrived. There were also some slow, emotional moments that kind of clashed with the frantic pace of the rest of the movie instead of pleasantly contrasting. Hawkeye outright tells another character that nothing really makes sense, but the movie still tries to keep things sort of grounded instead of completely rolling with it.

There were a good many jokes, and even with a reasonable crowd late on opening night, some lines didn't seem to get a reaction. I had trouble even understanding some dialogue -- someone fake-coughing a joke, or someone yelling a joke in a fight and being overwhelmed by noise, that sort of thing.


On to the positive parts, I might have expected Ultron to be dramatic and dry like Bane. Instead he turned out to be randomly wisecracking and that was fun. Black Widow showed a bit of emotion and character depth instead of just being a pretty face. There was at least one case where I did not expect what happened in the plot. I thought Scarlet Witch's actress worked well, and the not-magic rendering was cool. Seeing the Avengers together doing things, and hearing the Avengers theme, were both fun.

Sony told the truth and there was no post-credits scene, only a mid-credits scene.


That may sound like a lot of negatives and not many positives, but I still enjoyed it for what it was. More comments are spoilered.


Someone suggested the coughing joke was "testosterone", when Tony Stark and Thor were trying to outdo each other at the party.

Black Widow's history was touching. Did I understand the implication correctly and her ovaries were completely removed to try to make her more of a heartless killing machine?

I think the Hawkeye misdirection was actually pretty well done. They set everything up so you feel bad for him and he's all prepared to die dramatically. I didn't expect Quicksilver to be introduced and suddenly killed in the same movie. He was a cool guy.

Ultron was weirdly religious with the church symbolism, the mention of God and Noah, and so forth.

I had probably heard the name "Vision" mentioned but didn't know much else. I was pretty surprised by that character. I instantly thought they looked like a member of the Blue Man Group, but in red. My theater seemed to like them lifting the hammer, which was a big deal. Having an otherworldly android-esque character who was somehow moral, worthy, and/or "good" contrasted well with Ultron.

Two of the most contrived moments I mentioned earlier were Black Widow's captivity and Thor's bath.

Black Widow falls out of the sky but somehow survives, presumably caught by an Ultron drone. She then gets threatened by Ultron who wants to show off...by destroying one of his suits with a better suit, and then locking her in a cell. Ultron then apparently leaves the cell and the entire facility unguarded for Banner to sneak in and shoot the door open. Maybe he shot a robot or two with a laser, but Banner isn't usually known for using a gun well.

Thor's case in particular seemed abrupt. Thor needs answers about his dream. He talks to the professor from a Thor movie, who happens to know about a magical pool, which happens to let you revisit visions. Thor jumps in it, sees a different part of his vision, and jumps back to the action. It was funny seeing Thor in a hoodie, but the section felt a bit shoehorned to me.


One thing I didn't fully understand was Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's motivation. Their parents were killed by a bomb from whom? In what war? Would Tony Stark have even been old enough to have been involved with the weapons for that war? I guess he could have been in his 20's and already in the company business.



This makes some sense but maybe part was cute from the movie about Ultron:
I don't think Tony's brain waves were even hinted at, so I'm not aware of an in-movie explanation as to why Ultron has part of Tony's personality. The current cut of the movie just seems to show Tony and Bruce attempting to interface with existing software.
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Natasha hasn't been "just a pretty face" since the Avengers so that's a weird thing to suddenly comment on.
 
This was probably the worst MCU movie for me. Not really sure why, just it seemed to be a whole mass of nothing.

It's disappointing that I can like Thor, cap, iron man, on their own in their movies and think they're great films but yet join them all together in this and I just felt bleh about it. I liked the first avengers film, but this one something just seemed really lacking. I was also annoyed with how it started.
No intro of how or why they're meeting up again after being by themselves in solo films, just all of a sudden they're working together as a team in the snow at some forest somewhere.
 
Poona said:
This was probably the worst MCU movie for me. Not really sure why, just it seemed to be a whole mass of nothing.

It's disappointing that I can like Thor, cap, iron man, on their own in their movies and think they're great films but yet join them all together in this and I just felt bleh about it. I liked the first avengers film, but this one something just seemed really lacking. I was also annoyed with how it started.
No intro of how or why they're meeting up again after being by themselves in solo films, just all of a sudden they're working together as a team in the snow at some forest somewhere.
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They comment that they've been investigating and then fucking up Hydra cells. Do you need to see that? Or is the line of dialogue enough?

I dunno guys. I don't love any of these Marvel films. They range from good fun to pretty bad for me, but I see an awful lot of nitpicking with this one in particular.
 
A friend and I arrived late. We did get a batman superman trailer but it was the old one. Arriving late we were in the second row which annihilated coherency in the action scenes. More than a couple of times I just turned my brain off.

I really liked the symbolism in the movie. Ultron was a classic whedon wisecracking
doppleganger
, but vision was something else. A lot felt rushed, and I liked about 75% of the humor. That romance though was kind of forced and awkward. Maybe if whedon added in an "age" joke. Hawkeye is a great character in this, but I felt like his revealed backstory kind of diminished him even though it was charming. Wanda and pietro were excellent. If only there was more time to flesh things out more.

Beyond that the movie was a bit too goofy and there were some off feeling jokes. Ultron
piloting a jet and making pinnochio allusions and quotes was kind of way too over the top.

I enjoyed it but not as much as the first. The character interaction was mostly on point and wholly interesting. Joss let cap shine some, which was nice.

I'd say it was a bit funnier than guardians, but less touching. Guardians had killer style though, even if it was a bit forced at times. This doesn't have much beyond the party scene which you can see part of in trailers.
 
Freewheelin' said:
They comment that they've been investigating and then fucking up Hydra cells. Do you need to see that? Or is the line of dialogue enough?

I dunno guys. I don't love any of these Marvel films. They range from good fun to pretty bad for me, but I see an awful lot of nitpicking with this one in particular.
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Its the reverse of the bullshit complain that the Avengers dont come to help in the Solomovies.
 
Poona said:
This was probably the worst MCU movie for me. Not really sure why, just it seemed to be a whole mass of nothing.

It's disappointing that I can like Thor, cap, iron man, on their own in their movies and think they're great films but yet join them all together in this and I just felt bleh about it. I liked the first avengers film, but this one something just seemed really lacking. I was also annoyed with how it started.
No intro of how or why they're meeting up again after being by themselves in solo films, just all of a sudden they're working together as a team in the snow at some forest somewhere.
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The reason is mentioned in dialogue.
Raiding Hydra bases to find Loki's specter
 
I can't even comprehend where people who didn't like this are coming from. Its like trying to read alien thought patterns.

This is the greatest comic book movie ever made. I was grinning and laughing and having the time of my life the entire movie.

How can anyone hate on this fantastic movie?
 
Tobor said:
I can't even comprehend where people who didn't like this are coming from. Its like trying to read alien thought patterns.

This is the greatest comic book movie ever made. I was grinning and laughing and having the time of my life the entire movie.

How can anyone hate on this fantastic movie?
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Because people have different opinions. There's a lot that was wrong with the film in my view.
 
SomedayTheFire said:
Because people have different opinions. There's a lot that was wrong with the film in my view.
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Only problem with the film that I had was that it wasn't long enough

ITs definitely running to the finish line. Still love the movie though. Outside of the two slower portions though there isn't as much dialog as I would have liked.
 
Tobor said:
I can't even comprehend where people who didn't like this are coming from. Its like trying to read alien thought patterns.

This is the greatest comic book movie ever made. I was grinning and laughing and having the time of my life the entire movie.

How can anyone hate on this fantastic movie?
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Definitely better than Avengers 1

I wasn't big into comics at the time, so seeing all these heroes together for the first time wasn't this huge "OMG dream come true" moment. AoU is the superior movie in every way IMO. A better villain, better action, superb pacing, more character development, more teamwork

Winter Soldier is still my favorite Marvel movie, with AoU a close second
 
DrROBschiz said:
Only problem with the film that I had was that it wasn't long enough

ITs definitely running to the finish line. Still love the movie though. Outside of the two slower portions though there isn't as much dialog as I would have liked.
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Yep, I liked it a lot at the time but it's gone down in my estimations since then and I believe a lot of what I didn't like was caused by cuts. If it was longer I think it would have been much better.
 
Tobor said:
I can't even comprehend where people who didn't like this are coming from. Its like trying to read alien thought patterns.

This is the greatest comic book movie ever made. I was grinning and laughing and having the time of my life the entire movie.

How can anyone hate on this fantastic movie?
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It's not hate the movie just has flaws. A decent amount of edits are bad, scenes feel missing constantly, Thor
just flies off for a third of the film
, Ultron never really feels like a threat and the distinct lack of tension, some iffy CG,
Fury coming in at the end with a helicarrier and saves the day and literally everyone is just plain stupid, worse than the Eagles in LoTR/Hobbit
, and a decent amount of the plot isn't really explained but told to you through off hand comments. Also jokes, jokes everywhere. I liked the film but it was incredibly average.
Blackage said:
I don't suppose there are any Blacklist fans in the thread? I had one hell of a time trying not to think about Red every time Ultron opened his mouth lol.
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This also did not help considering I marathoners season 1 just two weeks ago lol
 
Yeah the cuts harmed it. When the film doesn't even resemble your official blurb

When Tony Stark jumpstarts a dormant peacekeeping program, things go awry and Earth's Mightiest Heroes, including Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, The Incredible Hulk, Black Widow and Hawkeye, are put to the ultimate test as they battle to save the planet from destruction at the hands of the villainous Ultron.
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You know a lot was lost.
 
Was able to see the movie last night thanks to a friend. Seeing it again in a few hours with the GF. Overall, I really enjoyed it but Marvel really needs to make a compelling villain for their movies. I hope the Russos do justice to Thanos.

Blizzard said:
Someone suggested the coughing joke was "testosterone", when Tony Stark and Thor were trying to outdo each other at the party.

Black Widow's history was touching. Did I understand the implication correctly and her ovaries were completely removed to try to make her more of a heartless killing machine?

I think the Hawkeye misdirection was actually pretty well done. They set everything up so you feel bad for him and he's all prepared to die dramatically. I didn't expect Quicksilver to be introduced and suddenly killed in the same movie. He was a cool guy.

Ultron was weirdly religious with the church symbolism, the mention of God and Noah, and so forth.

I had probably heard the name "Vision" mentioned but didn't know much else. I was pretty surprised by that character. I instantly thought they looked like a member of the Blue Man Group, but in red. My theater seemed to like them lifting the hammer, which was a big deal. Having an otherworldly android-esque character who was somehow moral, worthy, and/or "good" contrasted well with Ultron.

Two of the most contrived moments I mentioned earlier were Black Widow's captivity and Thor's bath.

Black Widow falls out of the sky but somehow survives, presumably caught by an Ultron drone. She then gets threatened by Ultron who wants to show off...by destroying one of his suits with a better suit, and then locking her in a cell. Ultron then apparently leaves the cell and the entire facility unguarded for Banner to sneak in and shoot the door open. Maybe he shot a robot or two with a laser, but Banner isn't usually known for using a gun well.

Thor's case in particular seemed abrupt. Thor needs answers about his dream. He talks to the professor from a Thor movie, who happens to know about a magical pool, which happens to let you revisit visions. Thor jumps in it, sees a different part of his vision, and jumps back to the action. It was funny seeing Thor in a hoodie, but the section felt a bit shoehorned to me.


One thing I didn't fully understand was Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's motivation. Their parents were killed by a bomb from whom? In what war? Would Tony Stark have even been old enough to have been involved with the weapons for that war? I guess he could have been in his 20's and already in the company business.
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The bomb is Tony's. That's why they hate / don't trust him. Remember, Stark Industries was once a weapon manufacture. As for Thor's vision, they were setting up two things: Vision and Thor 3: Ragnarok. Idris Elba's Heimdall mentions how it is Thor's fault they are in Hel (another of the nine realms which is basically hell to us)
Natasha did indeed had her ovaries removed. Her vision shows that she kept purposely failing the final test to prolonged this but in the end it was futile.
 
I liked the first one a lot, but this one wasn't as good. Something just seemed a bit off. Maybe it was due to the villain not really being scary or interesting.
 
More_Badass said:
The reason is mentioned in dialogue.
Raiding Hydra bases to find Loki's specter
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Yeah, I guess I just wanted to see they actually came together again but probably more so an explanation for how Iron Man is back into it all after the ending of the third Iron Man film, where I felt he pretty much said goodbye.
 
Messypandas said:
Yeah the cuts harmed it. When the film doesn't even resemble your official blurb



You know a lot was lost.
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The only thing lost from that blurb is the idea that Ultron was initially Pym's idea. And that's still the case, it just wasn't mentioned. It's not like Tony came up with the idea himself, because
Banner recognized the Ultron name before Tony even said it.
 
serenewarfare said:
The only thing lost from that blurb is the idea that Ultron was initially Pym's idea. And that's still the case, it just wasn't mentioned. It's not like Tony came up with the idea himself, because
Banner recognized the Ultron name before Tony even said it.
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Banner and Stark were working on Ultron and backburnered it after failing to make progress. Loki's scepter jump started the program.
Pym was never involved.
 
Tobor said:
I can't even comprehend where people who didn't like this are coming from. Its like trying to read alien thought patterns.

This is the greatest comic book movie ever made. I was grinning and laughing and having the time of my life the entire movie.

How can anyone hate on this fantastic movie?
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Why is it always only: "You either think it's the best comic book movie ever made or you hate it." ?

It was enjoyable, but it also had many flaws imo. I don't think this is a particular good movie, but I also don't hate it. For me it was just "alright". I had a good time in theatre and it was entertaining for the most part but I'm not really eager to rewatch it.
Not all the people who didn't like it that much are hating this movie.
 
Tobor said:
Banner and Stark were working on Ultron and backburnered it after failing to make progress. Loki's scepter jump started the program.
Pym was never involved.
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Okay then.
It being "on the backburner" would make it dormant,
which would make that blurb 100% correct.
 
Tobor said:
I can't even comprehend where people who didn't like this are coming from. Its like trying to read alien thought patterns.

This is the greatest comic book movie ever made. I was grinning and laughing and having the time of my life the entire movie.

How can anyone hate on this fantastic movie?
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Yeah. No.
Persepolis.
 
Banner saying "Ultron" does not a dormant peace-keeping program make. I kinda want them to add the stuff they cut out, but also cut out ALOT of the bloat the film suffered. Whedon said Ultron was originally a government creation, maybe that would have made more sense. It definitely would have made me like Tony a bit more.
 
AoU is not only better than the first Avengers, it's way better. Early impressions had me worried, but it seems like people were just nitpicking. Second best MCU film behind Winter Soldier.
 
Oersted said:
Yeah. No.
Persepolis.
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StaticJam said:
What made him a threat to you?
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At for me, everything about him. He was bigger, more personal, and more physical threat than Loki ever was. Sure he joked some, but he had this visually menacing presence. His plan felt like it had far higher stakes. He was on the front lines, going toe-to-toe with the heroes
 
Tobor said:
I can't even comprehend where people who didn't like this are coming from. Its like trying to read alien thought patterns.

This is the greatest comic book movie ever made. I was grinning and laughing and having the time of my life the entire movie.

How can anyone hate on this fantastic movie?
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Hahaha I love these sorts of posts. Reminds me of when I was a kid. Good stuff.
 
Finally saw it last night, and i thoroughly enjoyed it.


However, i see the reasons for people's criticism of the film and i agree with them, but it was still a really fun ride.

The first film was admittedly more solid in terms of plot, but i feel that was a pretty basic story, and this tries to be a lot more, and sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.

Either way, this film needs an extended cut badly.

I'd probably put it right above Captain America: The First Avenger, but i really liked that movie so do with that as you will.

Also, the mid credits scene result kind of irked me, it felt unearned so when it came out of nowhere with no reason to show up, it didn't have the impact i think they wanted it to.

Also, the first two lines spoken by the Avengers killed me, and the last line spoken was the biggest cocktease possible.

I'll probably post more in depth thoughts in the spoiler thread once i get a chance.
 
Lebron said:
So Ultron wasn't a worthy villain in this? That's unfortunate
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Absolutely he was. One of the best Marvel villains. Really don't get the sentiment that he wasn't a threat.

StaticJam said:
What made him a threat to you?
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The fact that
the Avengers could do nothing but run or stall him until Vision showed up and even then it took the entire team and a goddamn Infinity Stone to take him down. He was a step ahead of them at every turn until he created his own destruction in Vision.
 
Messypandas said:
Yeah the cuts harmed it. When the film doesn't even resemble your official blurb



You know a lot was lost.
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It wasn't lost.
Ultron is a project Tony and Banner had been working on, stopped, and (in Tony's case) saw an opportunity to start again with the scepter.

Poona said:
Yeah, I guess I just wanted to see they actually came together again but probably more so an explanation for how Iron Man is back into it all after the ending of the third Iron Man film, where I felt he pretty much said goodbye.
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His last line in that movie is literally, "I am Iron Man."
 
serenewarfare said:
That was also absurdly overpowered. Invulnerability is not a prerequisite to being a real threat.
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I could have done with prime ultron being just a little overpowered. Avengers feels like it needs to be a team response for a reason, and the film Ultrons came off more like nuisances than people that could actually make the team shit their pants. Even if the drones were weak and the big guy was fucking stronk I would have preferred that. Just imo.
 
Messypandas said:
I could have done with prime ultron being just a little overpowered. Avengers feels like it needs to be a team response for a reason, and the film Ultrons came off more like nuisances than people that could actually make the team shit their pants. Even if the drones were weak and the big guy was fucking stronk I would have preferred that. Just imo.
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That's what it was though.
The bots were not meant to kill the Avengers. Ultron made it clear that he wanted to do that himself. The bots were meant as fodder to keep them busy while he executed his plan. And if you don't think Ultron Prime was strong, I don't know what to tell you. It took the entire Avengers team plus a fucking Infinity Stone to stop him, and even then he wasn't dead until Wanda ripped his heart out.
 
serenewarfare said:
That's what it was though.
The bots were not meant to kill the Avengers. Ultron made it clear that he wanted to do that himself. The bots were meant as fodder to keep them busy while he executed his plan. And if you don't think Ultron Prime was strong, I don't know what to tell you. It took the entire Avengers team plus a fucking Infinity Stone to stop him, and even then he wasn't dead until Wanda ripped his heart out.
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Yeah he was completely
resilient to damage I agree and yet couldn't really dish it out until he was in a airplane. Hopefully Thanos brings with him his little helicopter from the comics.
 
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