It's part of the prime series so they'll probably be the cool version of the GF rather than the tired evil gubberment trope that they keep appearing as in the mainline series.
Metroid Prime Federation Force Announced (Next Level, 3DS, 4 Player, Mission Based)
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It's part of the prime series so they'll probably be the cool version of the GF rather than the tired evil gubberment trope that they keep appearing as in the mainline series.
1. Don't agree, we didn't see samus in the trailer and the gfx from metroid other m besides the cinematic crap and screwed gameplay elements has a much better art design.
2. Prime games aren't level by level based. The whole concept is based on backtracking, playing a masive isolated connected world. That's the main thing where a metroid game is all about. So please don't compare prime games with fps games (or this game).
3.) Yes we didn't see much about this game. So mycomments are based on what they already have shown. <-- refering to my pref comment (from what i already have seen, read) please don't ignore it! So far it seems that the single play mode is worse then the one of metroid hunters. But we will see...
1) I was comparing to the actual Other M product and not the trailer we got.
There's zero chance this lead to such a crushing disappointment.
It's a spinoff marketed as such not "the best since Super Metroid, NES game brought to new gen" crap.
2) It's a spinoff, they're allowed to change the structure. They did as much for Pinball, no one batted an eye for that. Since Samus is not even there there's no reason to shackle the game with the usual tropes either.
Zelda was not level based and no one was up in arms over the 4Swd games.
3) again it can't possibly be worse than Other M, that's the bar it must not reach.
The good thing about a spinoff is that if I don't like it I can ignore it.
The fact that it's not trying to pass off as something it's not I can play it on its own term instead of being burdened by expectations (that wouldn't have helped Other M though, it's still trash).
Who knows what Metroid's chances are? What the future holds? We know nothing, null, nada.
This has everything to do with the reaction. People aren't reacting like this over Mario Tennis or Hyrule Warriors 3DS because we know that future titles in development, very much so. If anything, we've had too many Marios in the last 5 years. Metroid's future is up in the air and releasing a spin-off at this moment is awful.
You think people wouldn't react if there were no other Mario games recently? Let me tell you, back 10 years ago when we knew nothing about future Marios and the only original Mario in the last 5+ years was the disappointing Sunshine people were overreacting over Mario spin-offs too. If Zelda got another extended break like in the '90s and Nintendo returned with Link's Crossbow Training it would have been even worse.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
There were several routes Nintendo could have taken to avoid this backlash. The game can turn out great, but nothing about the trailer suggests that it will. The Treehouse footage looked fun, but completely uninspired.
This is a pretty damning... but sadly accurate... statement.
Metroid has had a LOT of big, bold shifts and changes throughout the years. The original Metroid was itself bold and fresh, the Prime series was a radical shift, Hunters pushed multiplayer, Pinball was, well, pinball, Fusion was far more linear and story-driven, and Other M went way crazy with everything (not everything is a win).
While Metroid fans often have their favorites, I think Other M was the game that BROKE the fanbase, severing it and making it decidedly the "liked it" and "despises it with the passion of a thousand burning angry sun gods" (I'm in the latter category). Even if you didn't prefer Prime, you had to admit it was a special game. Even if you didn't like Fusion, it was still beyond polished. But Other M created such a big divide that the fanbase, at this point, is frothing at the mouth for some miracle game to "fix" the rift and steer the franchise, and its fans, back on the right path.
And that might next happen, not with Nintendo. They innovate too much; they try out too many new ideas.
... But I think it's foolish to think that Federation Force is "the path" the series is now destined to go down. It's a spin-off game. The bitter Metroid fans (myself included) want something more "important", but I recognize this for what it is; a harmless, fun, spin-off title to tie us over to something bigger and better.
What some people who are just saying "it's a spinoff, who cares?" don't get is that this backlash really has everything to do with Metroid being on hiatus since the controversial Other M, and the future of the series being a complete mystery. Who remembers Persona 4: Dancing All Night? People were mad about that too until Persona 5 was announced immediately after.
Beelzebufo
Banned
The funny thing is that everyone (or rather the two or three defenders for this game) keeps saying "you can't hate it, it's a spin off", but we've already had a spinoff of a Metroid Prime. Multiple ones! While reception of games like Pinball and Hunters varies, nobody got legit mad at those games because:
1. We were getting actual Metroid games at the same time
2. Those games actually looked like the games they were spinoffs of without murdering the tone
3. Samus was in them lol
So yeah, it's a spinoff. But yeah, it still sucks and looks terrible. It's also funny that Hunters sold the worst out of recent Metroid games (not counting Other M but of course it did better than Other M, Other M is the worst game Nintendo's produced in years if not ever). So if you're saying "they did this to expand be audience for Metroid games", no it doesn't. And if Nintendo thinks that too, they're completely out of touch because it doesn't. So it's probably true that they think it does really.
No, it's not the fan base. The "cancel FF" petition is stupid, but none of us here are doing that. People here have every right to be angry and disappointed, the game looks like shit and was poorly thought out.
1. We were getting actual Metroid games at the same time
2. Those games actually looked like the games they were spinoffs of without murdering the tone
3. Samus was in them lol
So yeah, it's a spinoff. But yeah, it still sucks and looks terrible. It's also funny that Hunters sold the worst out of recent Metroid games (not counting Other M but of course it did better than Other M, Other M is the worst game Nintendo's produced in years if not ever). So if you're saying "they did this to expand be audience for Metroid games", no it doesn't. And if Nintendo thinks that too, they're completely out of touch because it doesn't. So it's probably true that they think it does really.
No, it's not the fan base. The "cancel FF" petition is stupid, but none of us here are doing that. People here have every right to be angry and disappointed, the game looks like shit and was poorly thought out.
Then make a separate thread about this? You're contaminating the discussion of this game.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I am discussing this game. How bad it looks as how disappointing everyone should be in it and especially NLG. This is literally all there is to discuss.
Alright, first things first, you keep saying things like everyone in the Metroid fanbase has the same opinion, which is not true. I, personally, thought Echoes and Corruption were awesome, even though I wasn't a big fan of both the things you said that people held against it (ammo, npc's). Thanks for grouping everyone together and calling us all toxic in the process, A+.
Next, the Metroid franchise has always stood for quality, in my opinion, so I, as a fan of the franchise would love it if it would stay that way. When I look at this game I don't see a Metroid game though. I don't even see a good game right now, which is of course 100% opinion. But you probably are going to call me entitled or something for just having an opinion, something that a lot of people have done in this topic.
You know what I think of when I see this game? I think "this obviously started as another game and just got a Metroid skin pasted on it". This just feels like Nintendo trying to sell us a dog, dressed up like a cat as a cat. I don't like Nintendo trying to make a quick cash-in on their fans. In don't stand for these kind of practices. I don't believe for a second that this game started as a Metroid game.
Would I like it if Metroid would go in a different direction and not just be a Super Metroid or Prime clone? Of course I would, IF it would stay true to Metroid. But this doesn't stay true to Metroid.
But what I said is completely relevant to the game and the current discussion. Making a new thread would be a waste of time.
If all we had was screenshots and some random info on the game I would agree with you.
But clearly we have more than that, if you want to hate on it you could make a thread if you're that uninterested in discussing the game.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
No, you make a separate thread about Federation Force with the qualifier (positive comments only) in the title.
Beelzebufo
Banned
But I'm discussing the game haha. This game set new YouTube records for dislikes on Nintendo trailers. All this game is is "the disappointing Metroid game".
There you go! Take this guy's advice.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
The last thing we need is an echo chamber. This is a discussion thread about Federation Force, and one's disappointment in the game is a relevant topic of discussion.
Besides, I think a separate complaining thread would just get locked.
Starphoenix
Member
The fact you chose to say that "everyone" should be disappointed in this game says more than anything. Not everyone is, and some of us think the fanbase here and elsewhere are acting petulant.
You don't seem to, this is so far from being the worst thing to happen to Metroid it's not even funny.
"Stay true to Metroid", if that's not a load of BS I don't know what is.
Metroid II wasn't trying to stay true to Metroid,
Fusion could give less of a shit about that too.
Heck we got a Demo that was basically a FPS experiment with Metroid skin on DS and a full game out of that as Prime Hunters.
Metroid would stand for quality if Other M didn't exists.
At least unlike Other M you know in advance that this product isn't for you.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Maybe you should make a separate thread then if you want to talk about that? This is about Fedaration Force, not your opinions on the alleged entitledness of the Metroid fan base. The discussion is impure now.
Not the worst, but the most disappointing. Obviously Other M was the worst thing to happen to Metroid and arguably Nintendo in general, but at least people thought that game looked cool during the first trailer. This one nobody liked for even a second.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Well, if there's one good thing to come out of this, it's that fans have made it very clear what they don't want from Metroid.
KiefbladeMaster
Member
Pretty positive they've said there are two Metroid's in development, and they're interested in pursuing both 3D and 2D entries. I'm assuming the NX may ship with one. That being said, this looks like it could be some fun with friends, kind of baffling to see people actually trying to get it cancelled..
'Shinya Takahashi, Nintendo: So it has been a while since we released the last one and we're having discussions internally about what we can do next. So at this point we have two different types of Metroid games. We have the Prime style of Metroid game and we have the more traditional style of Metroid game. We feel that we do need to take care of both of these styles of play. And the hope is that at some point in the near future we'll be able to share something about them.' Source
'Shinya Takahashi, Nintendo: So it has been a while since we released the last one and we're having discussions internally about what we can do next. So at this point we have two different types of Metroid games. We have the Prime style of Metroid game and we have the more traditional style of Metroid game. We feel that we do need to take care of both of these styles of play. And the hope is that at some point in the near future we'll be able to share something about them.' Source
At least if it's as trash as that you are not being fleeced out of your money, I'd say that's a plus.
This is so offtopic, might as well close the thread.
e:And you're not the voice of the Metroid fanbase btw.
Beelzebufo
Banned
How is talking about the reveal of the game (which happened yesterday and led to the creation of this thread) off topic?
And that's a good point, it'll probably just bomb.
And I'm not the voice of the Metroid fan base, but I've seen the record setting dislikes on every YouTube video for this game, the "cancel this game" change.org poll, and all of the lukewarm previews. And then there's this thread haha. But I suppose "the Metroid fan base" is off topic.
diffusionx
Gold Member
This looks like a good game and it is being done by a good studio.
Japanmanx3
Member
Baron von Loathsome
Member
How about we discuss everything pertaining to Metroid Prime: Federation Force in the main thread for Metroid Prime: Federation Force?
We're clearly not talking about the game, only the way it was revealed.
It's been more than 2 pages that people talked about the game as it was.
The worst that could happen to this game would be making it f2p and nix the campaign, which could very well happen.
So much hate for a spinoff... Imagine if they announced Other M2 official sequel of Metroid Fusion...
Beelzebufo
Banned
I think we can all agree that would be off topic, if the post disagrees with your own opinion.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Feel so bad for Next Level Games right now. They were riding so high after Luigi's Mansion,only to come crashing down with one disastrous game reveal. Sadly, what we saw of this game not only bears none of the hallmarks of the Metroid series, it has none of the hallmarks of a Next Level Game either! Most Next Level Games are filled with life and expressiveness. They imbue so much character and charm into their games even when they are simple arcade sports titles. But MP:FF seems to have none of that. It's like someone told the devs that sterility was the key component in a Metroid title and to make sure that this game has it in spades. I wouldn't really even card about the stunty art style if it came along with some expressive and interesting character quirks or something, but instead you get a bunch of bland, odd looking robots lumbering around shooting crap. That's entirely the sort of game Nintendo fans have been not wanting to play on other platforms for years, but not even a good version of it.
The word to describe this game's development and announcement really is tone deaf. It comes across as if Nintendo has no concern for or understanding of what its fanbase likes about its franchises. I'm not overly mad about this announcement or anything. I even understand Nitnendo's desire to do something different with a handheld version of Metroid. Hell, I am even still likely to buy this game. What I don't understand, however, is how Nintendo could have been so blind as to think that announcing this on its own was anything other than a horrendous idea. It sounds apparent that a console Metroid title is in development. If that's the case, why send this game off to die by announcing it as the lone new Metroid title in 5+ years? Just show off the bigger title as well. Reassure your fans that you understand why they are your fans and want to continue making the same sorts of games that earned their fandom in the first place.
I don't actually take this to mean the Metroid fanbase is overly toxic as someone mentioned earlier. Rather, they are rabid for a great game in the franchise to evoke the familiar feelings of isolation, discovery, tension, and power development that come with a great Metroid title. I could see a new Metroid game that deviates in huge ways from previous iterations of the franchise, but still gets received well by fans due to retaining these core tenets. Unfortunately, none of that is on display here, and I think people are right to be disappointed about that.
Starphoenix
Member
My whining is just as valid as everyone else's. Any meaningful discussion about this game is consumed by an unending stream of hyperbole.
We could give less of a shit about the fanbase reaction considering the size of the fanbase.
the echo chamber is cool and all but it's not really why I'm on Gaf, for that there's always the rest of the web.
That said I don't disagree with that either.
BjornTheBear
Banned
...for NX.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I know, I was making fun of the people who said anyone who doesn't like the game should go to a new thread. Like this guy, who then proceeded to say this, presumably without a trace of irony:
???
DrROBschiz
Member
The entire defense of this game centers around one assumption: A real Metroid game being in development.
Thus far, Nintendo hasn't shown that there is one. When asked if he was working on one, Tanabe seemed imply that while he would like to, he currently wasn't, but maybe Sakamoto was. Iwata said a while ago they were thinking of ideas, but we've heard nothing about it since. People point to Retro, but they're just as likely to be making DKCR3 (or something else entirely) as MP4. There is zero actual evidence that anything is happening, just wishful thinking by fans.
Basically, after a 5 year hiatus, Nintendo gives us this terrible, terrible looking game that has nothing to do with anything Metroid, but rather has the Metroid name slapped on it for marketing purposes. It's a gut check for Metroid fans everywhere, wondering if their favorite franchise will finally bite the dust after this game inevitably fails.
That's why people (myself included) are upset.
Thus far, Nintendo hasn't shown that there is one. When asked if he was working on one, Tanabe seemed imply that while he would like to, he currently wasn't, but maybe Sakamoto was. Iwata said a while ago they were thinking of ideas, but we've heard nothing about it since. People point to Retro, but they're just as likely to be making DKCR3 (or something else entirely) as MP4. There is zero actual evidence that anything is happening, just wishful thinking by fans.
Basically, after a 5 year hiatus, Nintendo gives us this terrible, terrible looking game that has nothing to do with anything Metroid, but rather has the Metroid name slapped on it for marketing purposes. It's a gut check for Metroid fans everywhere, wondering if their favorite franchise will finally bite the dust after this game inevitably fails.
That's why people (myself included) are upset.
Beelzebufo
Banned
The C stick actually doesn't work for this game.
TheSlySoul
Member
So far it looks mediocre game by a good studio like Mario Tennis 3DS, but we shall see.
NLG are about the same as Camelot in terms of quality, so it makes sense. Mario Golf 3DS was fantastic.
Also the petition to cancel the game is silly. They should have teased a real title to go along with it though...
DrROBschiz
Member
Im scratching my head as to why they would greenlight this around Splatoon which is a much better fit and is already popular among the same audience that this game would be targeting
diffusionx
Gold Member
I played that homeless man's Gears clone on N3DS with the C-stick and it was alright.
I don't care about a "real Metroid" or whatever. Whatever happens happens. It's just games.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
How much less?
And echo chamber in this case is "overwhelming majority opinion" across the entire fanbase, not just GAF.
Metroid 2 isn't staying true to Metroid? Well to quote you "if that's not a load of BS I don't know what is". You know what Metroid 2 does? Exploration, being alone on a hostile planet/space ship, atmosphere, minimalistic story with no text and just seeing the scenes unfold through in game happenings. That's how I would describe a Metroid game, tell me how you would describe it and maybe I agree with you. But right now, this is how I view a Metroid game and Metroid 2 certainly had that.
Now Metroid Fusion obviously has less of that, as it tried to make Metroid more streamlined, so minimalistic story told through in-game happenings is gone. It, however still has atmosphere, you're still mostly on your own in the game and there still is a ton of exploration. Which, again, is what I think makes Metroid Metroid. It didn't departure from Metroid at all, it only tried to make it more accessible.
Metroid Prime Hunters is a weird one, I would call it the least Metroid game of them all. And yes, Metroid Other M made a dent in the consistent quality of the series, but an odd one out isn't a trend, it happens.
A Splatoon shooter based around killing monsters in teams would be a cool idea and more appealing to the 3DS audience than a Metroid shooter, but the success of Splatoon is just too recent. I doubt they really had Splatoon on their radar when development on this started.
This. I think I said in another thread that I would like a co-op player vs enemy Splatoon spin off on the 3DS. This could have been that, preserved the clean art style and been warmly received.
My main problem with this is it simply doesn't look like Metroid beyond a few trappings. It certainly doesn't have the creativity and expressiveness of Next Level's previous games. The player characters are awful and the rest of the game looks so uninspired and cheap.
This was clearly intended as a filler title to tide 3DS owners and Metroid fans over or maybe to target a different demographic. Unfortunately, Nintendo have alienated a fanbase who have not had a decent game in the series for a very long time, created something that looks like a poor imitation of the series staples, squandered the talents of a good developer and ultimately, it is not going to sell anywhere near what they hoped for. Who is going to buy this thing?
They played Blastball in a tournament setting just a few days ago and all players looked comfortable with the controls. It also looks easy to control in all Treehouse segments. I don't know why anyone would doubt that it's going to control well.
I don't know how you can possibly interpret what I said to mean that. My comment is that this should be for discussion of Federation Force and not disappointment that Nintendo didn't announce a AAA Metroid at their Digital Event.
My point is that it's not because it's missing some kind of that elusive "soul" that gamers can't shut up about it that it needs to be crucified for it.
After Other M, a peggle reskin would be a better Metroid game than a sequel of that atrocity.
We'll see how it goes.