I really hope this isn't true. Shovel Knight is a character from one somewhat popular multiplatform game (that hasn't even released in Japan IIRC). There are far more deserving third parties (a Dragon Quest character for example, a series where all 11 mainline titles + countless spinoffs released on Nintendo platforms). Heck, even Goku has a bigger history with Nintendo.
Rumor (with a side of salt): Shovel Knight coming to Smash Wii U/3DS?
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OrbitalBeard
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Very few people care about K. Rool. He's an incredibly unappealing character.
Dixie...yeah, it sucks she's not in.
Yeah it would be just as ridiculous as a third party character from a series that hasn't had an entry on a Nintendo system in decades
Or a character from Nintendo's weird pre-game boy portable systems
Or characters from a NES launch title that haven't shown up in anything since
WiiRevolution1
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I mean honesly? Shovel Knight is pretty much my most wanted character outside of completel non Nintendo characters that I like. Indies deserve a rep imo, and NOA has constantly advertised Shovel Knight. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
If Shovel Knight came second tho (so far since its not over) then damn, some stiff competition, but he has lots of fans. And I totally saw a scenario that there was a high up character in the ballot that would come out've nowhere because people don't advertise that they voted for that character since they figure they wouldn't stand a chance.
Nindies@Night is tomorrow. Come on Nintendo don't let me down! In Nintendo Life I trust!
Edit: And please with the "rules". Haven't you learned that there are none?
Edit2: Ohand please just have him be a sprite. 3D Shovel Knight always looks off.i can't complain tho if he gets in lol.
If Shovel Knight came second tho (so far since its not over) then damn, some stiff competition, but he has lots of fans. And I totally saw a scenario that there was a high up character in the ballot that would come out've nowhere because people don't advertise that they voted for that character since they figure they wouldn't stand a chance.
Nindies@Night is tomorrow. Come on Nintendo don't let me down! In Nintendo Life I trust!
Edit: And please with the "rules". Haven't you learned that there are none?
Edit2: Ohand please just have him be a sprite. 3D Shovel Knight always looks off.i can't complain tho if he gets in lol.
TheDinoman
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As mentioned before, these are just first party retro characters. They're not the same thing as adding a third party character.
And even if Snake was "out of place", he was still a gaming icon from a long running and popular game series. That's alot more than I can say for someone like Shovel Knight. The point is, third parties need to have some sort of legacy, and as good as SK is, it's just not at that point yet.
WonderRade
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After Ryu I can see this happening. I think it would be a big win for 3 groups.
1. NOA, being able to get a non japanese char as a character
2. Indies, imagine what kind of message this sends to indies.
3. Shove knight fans, obvious.
Still though, just like I said with Ryu, its not so much that I dislike shovel knight or anything like that, but the fact that we get DLC for smash and 5 characters in we have no NEW NINTENDO CHARACTER is ridiculous. I mean heck if wolf is after SK then that means 6 characters and none of them are NEW 1st party
1. NOA, being able to get a non japanese char as a character
2. Indies, imagine what kind of message this sends to indies.
3. Shove knight fans, obvious.
Still though, just like I said with Ryu, its not so much that I dislike shovel knight or anything like that, but the fact that we get DLC for smash and 5 characters in we have no NEW NINTENDO CHARACTER is ridiculous. I mean heck if wolf is after SK then that means 6 characters and none of them are NEW 1st party
thebisonxrc
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I would personally love to see Shovel Knight in Smash Bros. and get the amiibo, too, I don't know whether to expect it or not. It'd be a nice surprise, though!
Regulus Tera
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oh my god YES
YES PLEASE YES
YES PLEASE YES
akidnamededdy
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I'm okay with it, the base game is already full of new 1st party characters.
Dr. Buni
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Shovel Knight isn't my most wanted DLC character, I'd much rather have Dixie Kong, Inkling and a Rhythm Heaven rep (you know, actual Nintendo characters), but to the very least, he would be a better addition than certain characters from the vanilla roster like Lucina, Dark Pit and even Palutena 
balladofwindfishes
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Is this describing Snake? Twin Snakes was released 4 years before Brawl. The Metal Gear parts of Brawl are even heavily based on the Twin Snakes. 8 years before Brawl was the very successful and critically acclaimed GBC game.
sixteen-bit
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yeah, precedence really means nothing with smash pics
ShockingAlberto
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I do think it makes a strong argument to indies that Nintendo will take care of you if you go with them.
Shovel Knight especially felt much less like a Nintendo game when other versions got exclusive content. I am guessing Nintendo wants to avoid that in the future.
Shovel Knight especially felt much less like a Nintendo game when other versions got exclusive content. I am guessing Nintendo wants to avoid that in the future.
lolwut? Who made up all those rules in your post? Clearly there are none for what can/will go into Smash, beside licensing fees which only work to make indies that much more likely.
1) Snake presumably. Snake has 2 exclusive Nintendo games, one that was still fresh when brawl came out. He's also significantly higher profile than Shovel Knight in the gaming world.
2) You mean a huge part of Nintendo's "heritage"? Game and Watch units sold like 40 million units, and G&W continued it's life into Game and Watch galleries on the GB. He's a massive part of what helped make Nintendo successful. The same goes for ROB and Dunk Hunt, though to lesser degrees.
Nintendo fanservice in a Nintendo fanservice game!? Surely you jest!
C'mon, at least give it a nanogram of thought when you come up with these counters.
Regulus Tera
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Yacht Club Games are super into getting Shovel Knight into Smash, similar to how Kojima wanted Snake in Melee. It actually wouldn't surprise me if they contacted Sakurai in person to ask him about putting him in.
SilverLunar
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Shovel knight?
Before Slime or Jibanyan?
Ehh
Before Slime or Jibanyan?
Ehh
It's describing Ryu. There hasn't been a street fighter on a Nintendo console since SSF2, and the last time he showed up on a Nintendo system was TvC for Wii. Yeah, there's SSF43D, but also that version was made irrelevant almost immediately and it certainly wasn't the most popular version of the game by any stretch.
And I don't get why it being third part suddenly means it's taboo. Yacht Club obviously has a very healthy relationship with nintendo - they had Shovel Knight kiosks in Nintendo World during its release.
My point is that obscurity and popularity don't factor as much into a Smash character being picked as a lot of people here think.
1. Snake is definitely a strange addition, but he does have some relevancy on Nintendo consoles since the original Metal Gear did come out on the NES. Snake is as old as Link and Samus and appeared alongside them on the same platform. There was also the GBC game and Twin Snakes. Snake Eater came out on the 3DS in the past few years as well (whoops, he's not even in that game). There are certainly many other third party characters that are more "deserving" though.
2. Game and Watch basically paved the way for the Game Boy and handheld gaming in general. Although obscure now, it was certainly influential for Nintendo.
3. Duck Hunt is one of the best selling games on the NES and the dog is a very recognizable retro character. He also represents the zapper as a whole, which can kind of be seen as the Wiimote's distant ancestor.
All these characters definitely have more notoriety and ties to Nintendo than Shovel Knight, who appeared in a single game a year ago and only in the west. I like Shovel Knight as a game and as a character, but I cannot fathom why Nintendo would select him out of all the other third party possibilities. It really just seems like an internet fanboy dream than something they would seriously consider.
[edit]Oh you're talking about Ryu. Hell Ryu is far more relevant than Snake. SFII debuted on the SNES first, sold millions of copies on the platform, and basically introduced fighting games to the console crowd. He has popped up on Nintendo hardware every now and then. Capcom vs SNK 2 EO for GCN, Street Fighter Alpha 3 for GBA, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom for Wii, SSFIV for 3DS... he's appeared in more Nintendo games recently than Mega Man *rim shot*
balladofwindfishes
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So Ryu had a game recently but it doesn't count because you don't think it counts...
SFII is also one of the best selling third party games ever on a Nintendo console...
TheDinoman
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Do you think it's a coincidence that every third party character in Smash happens to be a big gaming icon?
UglyRareCharacter
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Of course dumb haters like you come out on here the moment K Rool seems to not be added, eye roll
Uh... because he'd likely be a fraction of the cost to license.
Why not put in Bubsy then? I bet he's cheap.
Sure, why not? It's not as if there's any rhyme or reason to these choices.
I'm so fucking down with this happening.
Shovel Knight has been the third-party rep I've been thirsting for. With all the tools he has his moveset could be relatively phoned in, and his existence is a love letter to the NES *and* he's a pretty damn huge indie character these days.
Him being in would be a big ole thumbs-up to indie devs on Nintendo consoles and if his release coincided with a jp shovel knight release? Ho-ly shit that'd be rad for both Yacht club and Japan. I'd love to have some popular Japanese game get released alongside it's smash rep!
Shovel Knight has been the third-party rep I've been thirsting for. With all the tools he has his moveset could be relatively phoned in, and his existence is a love letter to the NES *and* he's a pretty damn huge indie character these days.
Him being in would be a big ole thumbs-up to indie devs on Nintendo consoles and if his release coincided with a jp shovel knight release? Ho-ly shit that'd be rad for both Yacht club and Japan. I'd love to have some popular Japanese game get released alongside it's smash rep!
Because nobody likes Bubsy.
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TheDinoman
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You know, Sakurai is definitely unpredictable, but I really hate this idea people have that he's some crazy person who just adds characters for laughs.
Like, something like Wii Fit Trainer is pretty crazy, but it does ultimately make sense in the end. Essentially she represents the period when Nintendo was finally back on top of the console market after years of middling to poor hardware sales. She/he isn't there because Sakurai "has no rules" or whatever, they're there because of their importance to Nintendo's history (and he saw gameplay potential with the yoga poses and such).
Like, something like Wii Fit Trainer is pretty crazy, but it does ultimately make sense in the end. Essentially she represents the period when Nintendo was finally back on top of the console market after years of middling to poor hardware sales. She/he isn't there because Sakurai "has no rules" or whatever, they're there because of their importance to Nintendo's history (and he saw gameplay potential with the yoga poses and such).
Gonzo The Great
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This doesn't really mean anything. Rayman Origins/Legends sold best on Nintendo platforms, but all we got were a few trophies. And Nintendo published the latter in Japan, too.
Shovel Knight was one of my favorite games of 2014, but the idea of including a random third party character who is barely a year old doesn't sit well with me. He's not an icon. I've been campaigning for K. Rool before Shovel Knight even existed!
Dr. Buni
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This would be amazing. I'd main Shovel Knight for sure.
There are characters in Smash Bros already that don't deserve the time spent on developing them either, that didn't stop them from being added to the roster
Sakurai explained Ryu. He's the face of fighting games in general. He's an important historic character.
If anything, you're arguing against Shovel Knight with these reasons.
If we want to talk crazy, nothing beats Roy, a character who got in Smash before his game even released.
Gotdatmoney
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I would be down for it. Like at this point why the fuck not? They aint gonna add new comer nintendo characters. Might as well have some fun with third parties and returners. And bring back ice climbers technical difficulties be damned.
balladofwindfishes
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As a poorly balanced clone that was cut the next game and only came back as DLC due to fan outcry.
TheDinoman
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Eh, Sakurai just needed some easy clone characters, and Roy fit the bill. I heard somewhere that he also liked the flames from his sword or something.
TheLegendOfCap
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The evidence is information from retailer insiders...
I'm calling it now:
There will be a Shovel Knight Amiibo, but it will be to coincide with the physical release of the game or unlocks something in the game. Like the Chibi Robo Amiibo in Zip Lash.
And Smash Bros. compatability is that it unlocks a Trophy or Assist Trophy when scanned.
I'm calling it now:
There will be a Shovel Knight Amiibo, but it will be to coincide with the physical release of the game or unlocks something in the game. Like the Chibi Robo Amiibo in Zip Lash.
And Smash Bros. compatability is that it unlocks a Trophy or Assist Trophy when scanned.
Boss Doggie
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While I have no stance on SK being in or not, trying to qualify or quantify a character's entry in Smash is moot.
Smash is never a "celebration of Nintendo's history" or some shit like that (the usual troll statement of people against modern newcomers like Wii Fit Trainer or Rosalina - among other things). It's really just a bunch of Nintendo characters beating the shit out of each other, and that "Nintendo characters" thing got thrown away with Snake being in.
How can he like a concept of something he hasn't even seen lol
Sure, but he's still by far the most ridiculous character choice for Smash ever.
Even Hot Topic Pit made more sense.
WonderRade
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Yeah, at the very least imagine the implications for a Super Meat Boy or a Commander Video or a Shantae.
Smash fighter files are less than 40MB so Super Meat Boy is never getting in.