Rumor (with a side of salt): Shovel Knight coming to Smash Wii U/3DS?

TheDinoman said:
Do you think it's a coincidence that every third party character in Smash happens to be a big gaming icon?
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Only because they would obviously go with the big ones first. Theres only been four so far. Five if you count Snake but I don't for the big icon reason since it was a favor to Kojima instead. Thats not a wholelot of characters to make a argument like that, even if counting Snake thats only ficve characters. Smash 64 had 12 characters and 10 were big if you want to compare.

Plus if Shovel Knight really did get in second place, its not hard to believe that he would have a chance to get added in. Afterall Sakurai can import a NA 3DS to see what the fuss is about. (lol)
 
Neoxon said:
Uhh....

Granted, Emily Rogers pointed out that Nintendo was originally gonna get XSEED to publish Devil's Third & Nintendo eventually published the game themselves due to fan demand, but the other points still stand.
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Those are all pretty easy to explain if you think about them for a minute, but I'd have to write a long ass post.
 
TheDinoman said:
Snake is like 40x more famous than Shovel Knight, though.
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Shovel Knight sold quite a bit and is adored by a lot of people. He would sell very well.

He's not a mega icon character that you'd include in the base game, no, but he's perfect for post release DLC that sells to more hardcore fans.
 
TrueBlue said:
I feel that Shantae should get first go if there's a "Nindie" rep - she's been around Nintendo for years. I understand this is a completely subjective set of barometers.
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It's weird. I feel Shantae deserves it more, but that Shovel Knight would actually be more fitting if they indeed go for the "character represents indies in general" angle.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
All these third parties make me afraid Smash 5 will have serious cuts. That's a lot of licenses to grab again.
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There's a reason sakurai always called third parties "guest fighters". The only one that I'd say is basically a lock forever would be sonic, and that's because Smash is the best PR the series has.

But I could easily see some third parties (read: capcom) being douches about licencing in the future and not having their fighters come back. It's not something you can really avoid.
 
Well a lot of people seem to have voted him on the ballot so I guess it makes sense. Even if there are characters that deserve to be in more, it's not Sakurai's decision, but the ballot's.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
All these third parties make me afraid Smash 5 will have serious cuts. That's a lot of licenses to grab again.
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All of the known third party characters are from Nintendo's buddies. Barring any Konami-tier relationship breakdowns in the near future, I wouldn't worry.

BedBison said:
Well a lot of people seem to have voted him on the ballot so I guess it makes sense. Even if there are characters that deserve to be in more, it's not Sakurai's decision, but the ballot's.
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The ballot, as I said earlier in this thread, is a glorified suggestion box rather than an election. Iwata & Sakurai never implied that the winner will get in. That being said, Sakurai will likely at least consider the Top 10 or so, but it's ultimately his call.
 
Isn't the Layton rumor true as well, or has that been shot down?

Pretty interesting upcoming choices, if both of these rumors are accurate.
 
Echoenigma said:
Snake basically broke down all barriers. If Sakurai likes somebody enough and the developers play ball, they can get in. This is true of both the Professor Layton and Shovel Knight rumors. The only restrictions really are whether they've been on a nintendo system before, they're game characters, and whether Sakurai wants them in.
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Yep. Plus this is a Indie character, and indies do crossovers with themselves all the time. Considering its Smash, if asked, YCG would let Nintendo add SK for free and let Nintendo keep all DLC profits.
 
Foffy said:
Isn't the Layton rumor true as well, or has that been shot down?

Pretty interesting upcoming choices, if both of these rumors are accurate.
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Christopher Robin Miller just knows that he recorded some extra Layton lines for what he thought was an action game. He isn't 110% sure if it's for Smash or not.
 
Neoxon said:
I don't mind. Though obviously when you have the time &/or the means to do so.
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I'll just try to make it short, since I don't have a lot of time:

Fallout 4 Cross-gen: It probably was at one point, then dev went on longer than expected and they were canned. Old/Outdated info basically.

NST Racism: The guy still works there doesn't he? Like he's gonna go out and say that the racism stories are true and sour his relationship with the company. Just look at what happened to the guy who went on that podcast. Wasn't he also the same guy who said that Mario VS DK Tipping Stars looked good on here when it was revealed, trying to make it seem like he was a consumer?

Devil's Third NA: The game was definitely always going to come out in NA, but NoA probably dropped it after they saw how bad the game actually was. When this was made public people went nuts saying that they should publish it anyway because they've published other bad games in the past. NoA saw the uproar and picked the game back up and now it's coming out in December. Meanwhile it's coming out in a couple of days in Europe where NoE was always publishing.

NX: This is probably true, since NX is most likely more of a family of systems with different specs (like iPad, iPod, iPhone), so the handheld version is bound to be worse than the PS4. The fact that they're probably a family and not a single home console, which is what people thought at the time, is probably why he was being coy about the handheld thing.

These are just the conclusions I came to and nothing confirmed, but maybe it helps you understand.
 
The Flash said:
Why not Shantae and Shovel Knight

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This.
 
Regulus Tera said:
Smash 5 will have to have cuts regardless if the game is to come out in a reasonable timeframe. We are already past the fifty character mark.
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That is true. Hopefully some of the most unique characters (like Duck Hunt, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Bowser Jr.) aren't cut from the roster in Smash 5. Ice Climbers being cut, while understandable, still is a huge loss if only because of how unique they were (and because by cutting Ice Climbers, we have one less series being represented in Smash).
 
Reila said:
That is true. Hopefully some of the most unique characters (like Duck Hunt, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Bowser Jr.) aren't cut from the roster in Smash 5. Ice Climbers being cut, while understandable, still is a huge loss if only because of how unique they were (and because by cutting Ice Climbers, we have one less series being represented in Smash).
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If there aren't any technical difficulties then I could imagine that Ice Climbers would return to Smash franchise. I hope.

I hope that we wouldn't see any unique characters being cut nex time. :(
 
Villager, Duck Hunt and WFT won't ever be cut and I doubt Bowser Jr. will either. Clones outside, I feel like the only newcomers in Smash 4 that might be in danger is possibly Greninja and the third parties. Even that's not guaranteed.
 
I admit Villager is unlikely to be cut, given how popular Animal Crossing is and Duck Hunt is pretty much the new Mr. Game & Watch/R.O.B. in a way, so they are unlikely to be cut, but Bowser Jr? I am not too confident on his chances and that saddens me since I main Bowser Jr. Anyways, Greninja is definitely on the risk of being cut. It wasn't a very popular character before Smash and it still doesn't seem to be on the same level of Lucario (easily the most popular non Gen 1 Pokémon).
IntelliHeath said:
If there aren't any technical difficulties then I could imagine that Ice Climbers would return to Smash franchise. I hope.

I hope that we wouldn't see any unique characters being cut nex time. :(
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I am sure they will be back in the next game, even if Smash 5 is once again on a handheld (I think it is likely to happen again if the NX is both the new console and the new handheld). I only realized how much I like the Ice Climbers after they were cut >_>
 
As cool as Shovel Knight would be, there's a few dozen other characters with more history that should be prioritized first.

But if he did win the ballot, then Nintendo needs to honour that
 
Reila said:
I admit Villager is unlikely to be cut, given how popular Animal Crossing is and Duck Hunt is pretty much the new Mr. Game & Watch/R.O.B. in a way, so they are unlikely to be cut, but Bowser Jr? I am not too confident on his chances and that saddens me since I main Bowser Jr. Anyways, Greninja is definitely on the risk of being cut. It wasn't a very popular character before Smash and it still doesn't seem to be on the same level of Lucario (easily the most popular non Gen 1 Pokémon).
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Greninja's still very popular. It's the most popular starter of its generation (and in turn the starters are among the most popular Pokemon of each generation) and its appearance in Smash boosted its popularity further.

I have no idea why you expect it to be cut. People were saying similar things about Ike before Smash 4, and look how that turned out.

Not to mention it's a bit premature to be speculating cuts for Smash 5.
 
Why are we talking about cuts? I honestly don't see any characters being cut anymore. Not even the clones. We're already running out of character, why remove some that you already have? As for the clones, I just want them to make them more unique. I like Lucina and Dark Pit, but Lucas, Toon Link, Ganondorf and Roy both put them to shame in terms of unique clone characters.
 
Toxi said:
Greninja's still very popular. It's the most popular starter of its generation (and in turn the starters are among the most popular Pokemon of each generation) and its appearance in Smash boosted its popularity further.

I have no idea why you expect it to be cut. People were saying similar things about Ike before Smash 4, and look how that turned out.

Not to mention it's a bit premature to be speculating cuts for Smash 5.
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If Ivysaur can go anyone can >:(
 
FunkyDealer said:
But if he did win the ballot, then Nintendo needs to honour that
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lol no they don't. The only honouring they have to do if make one character from the suggestions. They can pick whatever one they find the most interesting even if it ends up being eShop bag with six votes. They said they are taking every vote into account. Every suggestion has the same possibility.

Even if not as DLC, perhaps for Smash 5 6.
 
peanutbutterlatte said:
I'd be fine with Layton. I'd probably be fine with Shovel Knight, despite the fact it's very unlikely. Would have to shell out for his game first though.
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You should play Shovel Knight, you'll dig it. Now's as good a time as any; Yacht Club Games just released a trailer for the upcoming free expansion Plague of Shadows, which lets you play as the boss character Plague Knight.

peanutbutterlatte said:
If Ivysaur can go anyone can >:(
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:(

Ivysaur, Squirtle, Wolf, and Ice Climbers need to return. :(
 
Toxi said:
Greninja's still very popular. It's the most popular starter of its generation (and in turn the starters are among the most popular Pokemon of each generation) and its appearance in Smash boosted its popularity further.

I have no idea why you expect it to be cut. People were saying similar things about Ike before Smash 4, and look how that turned out.

Not to mention it's a bit premature to be speculating cuts for Smash 5.
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Of course it is popular and most of its popularity come from the fact it was added to the Smash roster, but how popular is it compared to other characters in the roster? I don't expect Greninja to be cut and I have nothing against the character, but I can't see the likes of Charizard, Mewtwo and Lucario being cut (again, in Mewtwo's case) and if we move to a different franchise, who is left, other than clones? Robin is the avatar from the only Fire Emblem game that sold well and s/he has one of the most unique play styles not only in Smash, but in fighting games in general... Palutena isn't going anywhere because Sakurai... so, who? Unless they decide to not cut any characters and only add two or three newcomers in Smash 5. Lastly, sure it is premature, but why are you quoting my post about the subject instead of ignoring it then? ^_^
kewlmyc said:
Why are we talking about cuts? I honestly don't see any characters being cut anymore. Not even the clones. We're already running out of character, why remove some that you already have? As for the clones, I just want them to make them more unique. I like Lucina and Dark Pit, but Lucas, Toon Link, Ganondorf and Roy both put them to shame in terms of unique clone characters.
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We aren't running out of characters, though, even considering only first parties.
 
FunkyDealer said:
As cool as Shovel Knight would be, there's a few dozen other characters with more history that should be prioritized first.

But if he did win the ballot, then Nintendo needs to honour that
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It's not about winning the ballot or not. Like I said, it's a suggestion box, not an election. Sakurai can seriously consider the more popular characters, but it's ultimately his call.
 
While I am definitely taking this rumor with a grain of salt, I would absolutely love for it to be true. Hell, I'd love for Shovel Knight to get an Amiibo even if he wasn't playable in Smash. Shovel Knight is greatmazing and an excellent choice as a Smash indie rep, even if I would have picked CommanderVideo or Quote first.
 
Remember the "good old days" of Smash leaks? We actually had pictures to analyze. Even then people weren't sold on Palutena and others.

Now we're down to text about:
- How the Smash ballot exists
- How there was some trace of European amiibo metadata
- an Indie developer making an announcement.

How far we've come.
 
Ugh. Still haven't played its game but it would be completely undeserved. If they're going for an indie representative, the choice should be pretty obvious: Quote from Cave Story. Probably the most famous indie game, has appeared in every platform under the sun (including Wii, DSi and 3DS) and it even has a 3D remake exclusive to 3DS.
 
gerudoman said:
Ugh. Still haven't played its game but it would be completely undeserved. If they're going for an indie representative, the choice should be pretty obvious: Quote from Cave Story. Probably the most famous indie game, has appeared in every platform under the sun (including Wii, DSi and 3DS) and it even has a 3D remake exclusive to 3DS.
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I'd argue that right now Shovel knight is far, far more popular than Quote
 
gerudoman said:
Ugh. Still haven't played its game but it would be completely undeserved. If they're going for an indie representative, the choice should be pretty obvious: Quote from Cave Story. Probably the most famous indie game, has appeared in every platform under the sun (including Wii, DSi and 3DS) and it even has a 3D remake exclusive to 3DS.
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If you really want to make a claim towards the most obvious and most popular indie, then it'd probably be Minecraft, not Cave Story.
 
gerudoman said:
Ugh. Still haven't played its game but it would be completely undeserved. If they're going for an indie representative, the choice should be pretty obvious: Quote from Cave Story. Probably the most famous indie game, has appeared in every platform under the sun (including Wii, DSi and 3DS) and it even has a 3D remake exclusive to 3DS.
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I get where you're coming from with Cave Story being an influential game, but Shovel Knight is a rather big indie success story in its own right, starting off as a kickstarter game. That and the game itself is really good, and I think Shovel Knight's design and moves would translate better into Smash than Quote's. I don't think Shovel Knight is completely undeserving just because it's not been around as long.
 
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