So does that mean those figures now include the PC or will? Not used W10 so unsure if theres an Xbox Live service or what that pertains to
What were the last confirmed shipped/sold figures and how far back were they?
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Microsoft FY16 Q1: Xbox HW rev down 17%, live rev up 17%, XBL MAU users up 28% to 39M
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What were the last confirmed shipped/sold figures and how far back were they?
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mejin
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Nearly 15/16 this time? I don't think it will be a good PR. Maybe they will continue to hide their numbers.
Obliterator
Member
This is a pretty crazy quote from MS because it basically is flat out saying the Xbox itself isnt the key to their long term gaming strategy
They key there is "aligned to our long term opportunity."
They key there is "aligned to our long term opportunity."
Exactly. I have no source, but I seem to remember just X360 Gold and Silver accounts to be well over 40 million back in 2012/13.
But again, console is not selling well, Windows Phone marketshare is terrible, and I guess many PC (W10) users don't really care about gaming.
This. Some people here are all to ready it seems to jump on that extra salt train.
Obliterator
Member
Um 10s of millions of of W10 user care about gaming. They are using Steam and MS has done zero to support the platform
Tfault
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My understanding is that it includes all live services (39m number).
It was 48 million, but it includes silver as well, and those are total registered members, not active members.
http://www.slashgear.com/steam-users-eclipse-xbox-live-psn-still-far-and-away-tops-30303588/
People are more so talking about the fact that they aren't including shipped numbers like they have in the past and are saying pretty much they reserve the right to share them when they are appealing.
It's very easy to assume the numbers aren't anything to gloat about right now.
Lol. Love this post
theprodigy
Member
well then
Xbox One launched November 2013, PS3 November 2006
so...PS3 through September 2008 shipped 16.84 million? hmm
Honey Bunny
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Most of their shipment numbers are probably covered by the NPD thread anyway.
Obliterator
Member
Microsoft stock 15 years high.
I say GOD DAMN.
Xbox sales really doesn't impact MS tbh.
Like I said earlier in the thread, investors care so little about Xbox Division that the last investors call not even one question was asked about it
3rdamention
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There were over 46 million Xbox Live users in April 2013..
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...e-subscriptions-up-to-46m-will-never-be-free/
I did edit my post to some* people.. And I understand what you are saying, but reading through some of these posts are making laugh as people are getting excited for a possible doom and gloom moment for Xbox/MS it seems.. Or they may be bait posts. But you truly never know.
Pretty much Microsoft can obfuscate the numbers all they want because they know no one will call them out on it during investor meetings like they would to an extent at Sony and would have a cow at Nintendo.
It should go without saying that I meant PS4 numbers.
Alebrije
Member
WiiU is surely doomed so Nintendo and MS are going to oblivion.
Hold me Gaf this is the end...
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Did you need an XBL account to use Xbox Video/Music back then?
Aceofspades
Banned
Disaster, considering that PS3 was 599,499 and was considered doomed at the time.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
As far as accounting purposes are confirmed, they are already profitable on their acquisition and have been for a while now
Time to to jump to PC Microsoft!
I'm not even talking about your new games, just dump your legacy titles on PC make it Win10 store exclusive for all I care! Lol
Seriously, does not seem bad given that software jump. Are those numbers on Minecraft Xbox only or does it include other platforms including PE?
*cant check sources because on shitty 3g
I'm not even talking about your new games, just dump your legacy titles on PC make it Win10 store exclusive for all I care! Lol
Seriously, does not seem bad given that software jump. Are those numbers on Minecraft Xbox only or does it include other platforms including PE?
*cant check sources because on shitty 3g
His own personal "internal estimates", based mainly on conjecture. Really no different to how the banned site works.
There's a difference, that's total users not active.
Just like other devices have higher overall members but the active number is never as high.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Which is really what Ms cares about, especially with Windows 10 out. Expect more console games to come to Windows 10, as well as more investment in games for xb1&windows 10
That's total registered users, not monthly active users.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Through Minecraft PC?
Microsoft dropping Xbox is about as likely as Sony going bankrupt. Possible, but not likely at all.
The beef of Microsoft's business is Windows/Azure/Office among tons of other things. I think they've realized that Xbox has become such a small part of their overall business that they no longer feel the need to spend as much time reporting financials on it.
Xbox hardware is a one time purchase whereas Live subs are reoccurring revenue. Investors always want to know where the next dollar is going to come from so it makes sense they are focusing on what provides them money year after year. When a person becomes a Live subscriber they can then buy games/movies/tv shows. Thats all revenue thats possible every time someone logs in.
I think moving forward you'll start to see more live stats and revenue per user ect to describe their successes than hardware sales. Now if that revenue per user decreases or user counts decrease then i think you'll eventually see an explantion via hardware sales numbers but until then I think for the foreseeable future we wont see hardware shipped/sold.
Xbox hardware is a one time purchase whereas Live subs are reoccurring revenue. Investors always want to know where the next dollar is going to come from so it makes sense they are focusing on what provides them money year after year. When a person becomes a Live subscriber they can then buy games/movies/tv shows. Thats all revenue thats possible every time someone logs in.
I think moving forward you'll start to see more live stats and revenue per user ect to describe their successes than hardware sales. Now if that revenue per user decreases or user counts decrease then i think you'll eventually see an explantion via hardware sales numbers but until then I think for the foreseeable future we wont see hardware shipped/sold.
Captain Tuttle
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Nothing to do with obfuscation, Xbox division is almost a rounding error on MS's balance sheet
What's interesting in that quote is it shows how dramatically their entire gaming strategy has shifted from why they got into gaming in the first place.
Microsoft saw the 'battle for the living room' as the next great big technology war. They were scared that Sony already had an in with the Playstation brand and it would give them a big headstart. So they poured billions into Xbox.
Now they've completely shifted gears and said "Ehh, maybe the living room isn't so important, we'll now use that to chase mobile and PC users."
It was a pretty dramatic misreading of where the market was heading.
More salt to the wound because I actually browsed past that page when I was looking around earlier...
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Actually, Sony going bankrupt is FAR less likely.
Which is everything to do with with the obfuscation of the actual numbers. If they were a large part of the business they'd have to give out numbers or investors would be all over them. The fact that they are just a rounding error on the bank sheet means they don't have to give anything beyond what is the legal minimum depart based and not product based. So they can give us whatever they think sounds nice and no one who matters complains.
Yeah, I think that will be the biggest issue MS will focus on in the future... Finding some way to get the people on PC and Mobile to pay for Xbox Live. Once they figure that out, MS will dump consoles like a bad habit.
TharpDaddy
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Hm, i'm not so sure. Buying a console is a good way to lock someone into an ecosystem, which is what Microsoft wants to do more and more with the unification of all their various platforms.
It's not that the "living room" isn't important it's that today with tablets and smart devices the idea of "owning the living room" via a game console is ludicrous.
MS and to an extent Sony's goals here have been completely overshadowed and overturned by market trends neither foresaw.
The "living room" as content portal is now "the house" and the majority device for accessing content is a mobile device (phone, tablet, laptop, Mac) with distributed access by different individuals using different devices.
The closest to "one box to full them all" is your wifi router.
Why would they do that? XB1 software sales are higher than Steam for most AAA games, and that's very early in the gen. So even if they somehow get as many users on W10 as Steam, they would still suffer decline in software sales.
Then again, W10 means lower overhead, so less software sales can still mean higher profit margins. BUT...they would basically surrender the living room to Sony, and I don't think they want to do that.
TharpDaddy
Member
I could see Microsoft going the Steam Box route but I agree there's no way they stop having a console equivalent for people to purchase.
I don't think something like that would do well. PC enthusiasts want a normal gaming PC, the mass market wants a plug and play device, a SteamBox-like product appeals to neither.
Neuromancer
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Is it though? Almost everyone I know used their 360 as a Netflix machine in addition to games, maybe even more often than for games. MS was on track with owning the living room, at least in NA, making money from Gold subscriptions, games, ads and everything else in the ecosystem. But they blew it pushing this idea past well its breaking point (HDMI in, Input One, TV TV TV, NFL NFL NFL, the next water cooler) and created a console almost no one wanted.
Aceofspades
Banned
X1 would be lucky to sell half what X360 sold, I see X1 hovering around 40m by the end of the gen.
that changed very quickly. No one is going to boot up their console when they have roku's, chromecast's, fireTV's and apple TV's all hooked up to it.