Yeah, but he only won by 15 points in the main town I worked. Secondary town was 30 points though.
EDIT: To give myself a slight break, my main town was a wealthy area, a demographic Hillary did well in overall.
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EDIT: To give myself a slight break, my main town was a wealthy area, a demographic Hillary did well in overall.
Your experience this time may have sucked, but you put in some real work for democracy. You should be proud of it. Don't let a few douchebags keep you from helping out in the future.
Don't give up. The fall will be better since everyone will be united against the Republicans. Volunteer again then.
This seems like the most likely outcome. Cruz will almost certainly come in second, but I think a ~15 point win for Trump sounds about right. Then again, who knows what will happen between now and the primary.
After the a short interview with the Campaign manager for Bernie, you can see they are not very confident about winning Nevada at this time. Remember, it is a closed caucus, so the Bernie method of getting independents and first time voters can't happen without a good ground game BEFORE the caucus, and it isn't evident yet.
And if the service worker's union does decide to back Clinton after the Sander Staffer's impersonating Union members, I think Nevada will be over for Sanders.
BERN THE NEW HAMPSHIRE THREAD. Clinton and Sanders supporters (mostly the latter) digging up all kinds of shit they can to prove a point.
"Hillary doesn't deserve the black vote because blah blah blah"
They don't get it. No one deserves a vote. They usually earn them. If black voters think Hillary will give them the best next 4-8 years, she's earned them and that's it. They don't owe you a Sanders vote just because he has supported policies that intended to help them in the past.
I do wonder, do black voters care about gun control? Does Obama being on the Hillary side of gun control change things at all? Just a thought that popped into my head.
"Hillary doesn't deserve the black vote because blah blah blah"
They don't get it. No one deserves a vote. They usually earn them. If black voters think Hillary will give them the best next 4-8 years, she's earned them and that's it. They don't owe you a Sanders vote just because he has supported policies that intended to help them in the past.
I do wonder, do black voters care about gun control? Does Obama being on the Hillary side of gun control change things at all? Just a thought that popped into my head.
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Number of polls which predicted a Sanders win of more than 22 in the final month of NH polling: 1 (CNN/WMUR, predicted +26).
Number of polls which predicted a Sanders win of less than 22 in the final month of NH polling: 10 (ARG, predicted +9, UMass Lowell, predicted +16, Emerson, predicted +12, Monmouth, predicted +10, FPU, predicted +7, Suffolk, predicted +9, Gravis, predicted +3 (lol), Marist, predicted +20, Overtime Politics, predicted +14, WBUR, predicted +15)
"Sanders did not win as much as some people thought"
ok
Could you tell that to Ted Kennefy in the early '70s? You Americans could have had your current healthcare 40 years earlier if he had said yes to Nixon.
The Democratic Party is infamously self-sabotaging, on multiple fronts.
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I'm not confident he'll win either. I think he'll lose, which is why overall I think Clinton will win. I'm just saying that I think there is a reasonable chance he could win, and that if he did then the nature of the race is completely different; unlike say South Carolina where Sanders will never, ever win.
I think it's because they're still counting votes. Only 17/23 delegates have been allocated so far.
Rubio will probably end up with 1.
Really good news. But will she be able to penetrate the Clinton circle where long term loyalists tend to reside?
She set the stage to really keep OFA alive financially but I believe Obama dropped the ball. That organization should have been put to use, organizing on the grassroots and electingl Iike minded liberals to school boards and state legislative positions. Instead of kinda just languished until the administration wanted to use it to fight for various things going on in Washington. I'm really disappointed in how it was handled.
So many conservative writers on Twitter are retweeting David Frum saying that the 2012 GOP autopsy was what killed the party.
... You know, the one where the RNC said that the party needed to be less racist?
........ How do these guys pretend that they're serious people?
... You know, the one where the RNC said that the party needed to be less racist?
........ How do these guys pretend that they're serious people?
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Only technically. He's on 10.5% with 95% counted. If not a single person in the remaining 5% voted for him, he'd finish with 9.8% and not get delegates, so they can't confirm he actually has got delegates. As long as he gets 0.5% of the remaining vote, he meets the threshold, though, so he will get delegates - same as how Sanders will get 15-9 but has officially only got 13-9. The official count should be Trump 10, Kasich 4, Bush, Cruz and Rubio 3 each barring anything absolutely crazy.
Stories like the don't help either:
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/feb/08/csn-student-in-middle-of-sanders-clinton-tug-of-wa/
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Honestly, I think this will impact the choices of about 10 people tops.
I agree nationally it wont but it is a story that made local las vegas news which is a what really matters; it is more of the theme Sanders unfortunately has going for him due to his staffers making mistakes (this plus the Union fiasco).
I don't think much stock can be put in Sanders winning most demographics in a state he won by 22%.
What I think is more important is that a lot of people placed income inequality as their top issue and had Hillary as less trustworthy. They need to work on that going froward. And I think it's a messaging problem. I think she previewed a new talking point in her speech last night talking about being a fighter for women's rights, LGBT rights, workers' rights, and she should easily be able to tie that into income inequality by saying that when we fight inequality across the board and for the rights of the disenfranchised, we all get ahead, and she's a proven fighter. Hopefully they get their messaging act together going into the next two states that should favor her.
What I think is more important is that a lot of people placed income inequality as their top issue and had Hillary as less trustworthy. They need to work on that going froward. And I think it's a messaging problem. I think she previewed a new talking point in her speech last night talking about being a fighter for women's rights, LGBT rights, workers' rights, and she should easily be able to tie that into income inequality by saying that when we fight inequality across the board and for the rights of the disenfranchised, we all get ahead, and she's a proven fighter. Hopefully they get their messaging act together going into the next two states that should favor her.
That honesty thing sucks for Hillary in a GE.
Can someone post my post in the nh thread about Bernie voters being able to afford to lose. Because quotes like this back my thesis up.
These people know they'll be alright if they lose. Many don't have that luxury.
I can't see Obama endorsing anyone. It just doesn't seem like his style. Yes, it'd probably wrap this up quick (and she'd definitely end up winning SC by massive margins) but he probably wants her to do this on her own until she actually gets the nomination.
Finally found the results from my small town, which I refused to canvass in: Bernie won by 33 points. The caveat is 69% of voters took the Republican ticket. More people voted for Trump and Christie than Hillary and Bernie.
Hehe, this is the coordinated "panic" the GOP establishment wish they had....going to be so bloody for the GOP if Super Tuesday has multiple candidates still in for the establishment.
No way is Obama going to endorse. A sitting 2-term president endorsing a candidate in the primary? That'd be entirely unprecedented, AFAIK.
*shines benji signal*
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On a different note, NBC confirming that Belafonte will endorse Sanders. Man, I hope Al Sharpton was also convinced, that would be an incredible double bomb to drop on SC.
Why in the flying fuck would Obama endorse anyone? He's not going to Chris Christie anyone
Why are you selectively choosing polls ? Lol , you are being too obvious. Many of the polls had her in the double digits which I said and some around 20. There were far more polls that had her in the double digits than not. Also, I don't know why you even used that quote since it doesn't have anything to do with what I said.
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I didn't select polls. I quoted the final poll released by every single pollster to poll NH in the final month. If you can find one I missed, I will *very* happily add it. So, I call bullshit on you. Secondly, it had exactly to do with what you said. Sanders beat expectations in NH. You denied this, and you are wrong.
That's a different situation (Vice President).
I don't believe Obama will endorse Clinton or anyone else until this is over or "basically over." I think Obama is smart enough to recognize Clinton should have to earn this, and while I'm sure he dislikes Sanders there is probably also some admiration for what he's doing right now.
This is honestly just frustrating. It doesn't matter how much you love Bernie if he loses in the general election.
Why do we keep coming back to this point.
Unless there are new polls I'm missing... Bernie beats Hilary against all the Republican noms in the GE.
We all need to. Collectively.
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They're about to insist that Sanders will do worse with more exposure and Clinton better, despite the fact that the more exposure Sanders has had the more his approval ratings have gone up and vice versa for Clinton. It's a dull argument, PoliGAF has been through it a lot of times and they never get any more convincing.
The American voting percentage is pathetic. It's like half the people in the US don't even care about who runs their country.
ding ding.
Can she come out stronger after this or weaker? The conventional wisdom is that a primary makes you stronger.
How is it different if it was before the primaries? The previous posting said a President has never endorsed....
And by your logic, what is different between the VP and Sec of State who is the third highest rank in an administration? Not that big of a jump...
It would make sense since Bernie is trying to do what he did.
Where have you heard that? I always hear candidates need to be weary of primary comments haunting them in the general.
Younger black people only (somewhat) remember Belafonte for coming for the Carters. I can't see that endorsement doing much for him among anyone besides maybe older black voters. Sharpton's been losing his goodwill among blacks people over the years because he trots onto CNN acting like a spokesman for everyone.
The argument isn't that Sanders will do worse with more exposure, it's that he'll do worse with more targeting by Republican oppo campaigns.
As we get closer to South Carolina, there's going to be a lot of think pieces (The Nation just posted one) that equate Bill Clinton's actions on welfare as Hillary Clinton's record.
Can we all do me a favor and not just assume that whatever Bill says or does is something that Hillary Clinton agrees with? Even as FLOTUS, it becomes even more complicated because Hillary was often used by the Clinton administration as a bit of a prop to calm liberals down.
It gets into a very strange territory.
Yeah. Crab, this has always been the argument, never about "more exposure". I don't know where you would've gotten that from.
Can we all do me a favor and not just assume that whatever Bill says or does is something that Hillary Clinton agrees with? Even as FLOTUS, it becomes even more complicated because Hillary was often used by the Clinton administration as a bit of a prop to calm liberals down.
It gets into a very strange territory.
Yeah. Crab, this has always been the argument, never about "more exposure". I don't know where you would've gotten that from.
In America all politics is local.
That is what I heard from Political Analyst about the Obama-Clinton 08 making Obama stronger in the end.
Not to mention you don't fuck with Culinary in Nevada.
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