PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida

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VRMN said:
It's hilarious that this was even charged given she won the county in the actual election. Sanders needs to be above that bullshit.
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Which begs the question: Why is he doing this? It's not just money. He can raise more than enough money without this petty bullshit.
 
kess said:
Downticket races ought to be interesting in PA, with the budget deadlock at stake on the state level. The Democrats haven't had a majority in the State Senate since the early 90s (admittedly, many of the Republicans back then were of the John Heinz variety). Democrats have done well recently in statewide races but legislative races seem to elude them. Toomey should be vulnerable -- a totally nondescript personality who has virtually no rapport with the general public.

EDIT: Hey look, Tom Ridge just endorsed Kasich.
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As somebody who is originally from Erie, it's kind of sad and amusing how you can see the downfall of the GOP based on who was the Republican Congressperson from that district - from Tom Ridge, who was reasonably sane on most stuff and was also a war hero to Phil English, who was pretty right wing by the standards of the late 90's, but also voted for things like SCHIP and the bailouts to the auto companies and was pro union to Mike Kelly, a car salesman who doesn't even live in Erie, is a member of the Republican Study Committee, and a general down the line Tea Partier
 
sc0la said:
The very county in Iowa that Bernies entire revolution was predicated on! How did she know his secret strategy?!
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FUCK!

They're onto us. Shit ya'll. They've caught on that we traveled back in time to 1971 to create the Super Delegate system just to screw up Bernie's chances in 2016! We're so screwed. Maybe they'll let us share a jail cell with Hillary-sempai. I don't know though...after Bill single handledly disenfranchised 20,000 people in Mass, we might be lined up against the wall. (Which, I, personally, may enjoy...depending on...you know...stuff).
 
Wait, let me get this right? Hillary won that county and Sanders supporters tried to use the rules against her to nab some extra delegates. Then Hillary supporters used some other rule(s) to challenge this (successfully I guess?). Which is what constitutes the fraud charge?

If so, L O L.
 
shinra-bansho said:
They should really just void all the caucus results.
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The Democratic Party needs to step up and just pay for the Primaries. Or pay for the states to do a mail in ballot for the primary. It might also get the states to switch to mail in ballots in general.
 
zou said:
Wait, let me get this right? Hillary won that county and Sanders supporters tried to use the rules against her to nab some extra delegates. Then Hillary supporters used some other rule(s) to challenge this (successfully I guess?). Which is what constitutes the fraud charge?

If so, L O L.
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It's so incredibly petty.
 
RustyNails said:
No fuck that. Burn the party to the ground. You really want to parachute Romney in and save the party? How is that less fucked than letting Trump drive the burning clownbus to election?
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The party will still collapse. I'd just rather have somebody in the nomination that could reasonably run the country.
 
zou said:
Wait, let me get this right? Hillary won that county and Sanders supporters tried to use the rules against her to nab some extra delegates. Then Hillary supporters used some other rule(s) to challenge this (successfully I guess?). Which is what constitutes the fraud charge?

If so, L O L.
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That's pretty much what happened. And then Bernie ended up with as many state-level delegates as Hillary did in a county Hillary won by 6%.
 
Tesseract said:
Bernie has Hillary on the run, what a day. Bernie's about ready to ascend.
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Not only is Bernie doing great being on the offensive, Hillary is doing work for us also by continuing to say the dumbest and/or fucked up things. She still operates on a pre-internet basis where you can lie and shout contradictions over and over and expect nobody to call you out on it because there was no instant fact checker.
 
ivysaur12 said:
That's pretty much what happened. And then Bernie ended up with as many state-level delegates as Hillary did in a county Hillary won by 6%.
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And his team has the gall to complain. They literally just told the voters in that county their choice didn't matter and they're the ones talking about fraud.
 
B-Dubs said:
And his team has the gall to complain. They literally just told the voters in that county their choice didn't matter and they're the ones talking about fraud.
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I can't believe this is actually a thing that's happening. Fuck them.

God, I was pissed about Hillary with the Reagans and AIDS and with "Where was Bernie in 93?!" and now I'm back to being furious at Bernie over crying voter fraud after losing.

Diablos said:
Seriously: What are they trying to do here? Besides the bullshit, what's their goal?
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Nab one more delegate.
 
Holmes said:
Sanders is the next coming of Ron Paul.
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I got laughed at and derided for saying this back in September. Now look where we are.

ivysaur12 said:
I can't believe this is actually a thing that's happening. Fuck them.

God, I was pissed about Hillary with the Reagans and AIDS and with "Where was Bernie in 93?!" and now I'm back to being furious at Bernie over crying voter fraud after losing.
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Not only losing, but losing when trying to rig it so he got the majority of delegates in a county he lost.
 
Angry Fork said:
Not only is Bernie doing great being on the offensive, Hillary is doing work for us also by continuing to say the dumbest and/or fucked up things. She still operates on a pre-internet basis where you can lie and shout contradictions over and over and expect nobody to call you out on it because there was no instant fact checker.
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I am sorry but her back is against the wall. Bernie says whatever the fuck he wants and there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT while he repeats the same three fucking things on stage. This guy is such a phony. I don't get it. I don't get how so many people can't see through his shtick by now. Hillary gives usually very articulate and detailed answers or positions on things and Bernie just beats his chest. He has very little to say.
 
B-Dubs said:
And his team has the gall to complain. They literally just told the voters in that county their choice didn't matter and they're the ones talking about fraud.
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Well this is coming from the campaign that stole their opponent's data and then turned around and filed a lawsuit.

It's political gaslighting. And it's working.
 
XenodudeX said:
You're whining because you want to see blood and Hillary won't give it to you. You're not holding shit accountable.
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I'm not whining or demanding any blood. I am a part of the spectrum that she blatantly insulted and I believe she needs to be held accountable for when she screws up. She isn't royalty. If you don't want to accept that she has her own flaws then you're being completely unreasonable.

Joe Shlabotnik said:
What the fuck were you reading yesterday? Her biggest supporters here went apeshit on Hillary for the Reagan comments. Trying to parse out what she could have possibly intended wasn't excusing her, and most weren't even bothering to do that.
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The main topic where people were either aghast or happy to forgive her because she made an apology blaming a staffer.
 
ivysaur12 said:
That's pretty much what happened. And then Bernie ended up with as many state-level delegates as Hillary did in a county Hillary won by 6%.
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His campaign really is just a shit show. I don't really care about the caucus shenanigans either way, but to be the benefactor of caucus oddities and at the same time smearing/accusing the opponent of fraud is just pathetic. He really is just your typical politicians, with a gift for not being called on it.
 
Bernies campaign is really starting to remind me of Hilary's when it starts to become clear she was going to lose. Lately he's seemingly done everything in his power to make sure his supporters aren't enthused once he loses the nomination and while Clinton might still win that could significantly effect the down ticket races.

Also essentially accusing her and the Democratic Party of fraud is far worse than anything Clinton has said or pulled this campaign.
 
Angry Fork said:
Not only is Bernie doing great being on the offensive, Hillary is doing work for us also by continuing to say the dumbest and/or fucked up things. She still operates on a pre-internet basis where you can lie and shout contradictions over and over and expect nobody to call you out on it because there was no instant fact checker.
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She says a lot of dumb things and is rightfully raked for those. These past couple days are examples of her occasions of dumbness.

He says dumb things a lot as well. They don't stand up to scrutiny in the internet age. They range from ignoring nuance to basic fallacy. But the internet generally doesn't care.
 
Holmes said:
Sanders is the next coming of Ron Paul.
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Super insightful except for the whole opposite ideologies and demographic support and all that.

Diablos said:
I am sorry but her back is against the wall. Bernie says whatever the fuck he wants and there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT while he repeats the same three fucking things on stage. This guy is such a phony. I don't get it. I don't get how so many people can't see through his shtick by now. Hillary gives usually very articulate and detailed answers or positions on things and Bernie just beats his chest. He has very little to say.
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Bernie is appealing to people who have been disenfranchised and exploited and feel hopeless about their prospects. Hillary appeals to people who think things aren't that bad right now and Obama's presidency has been generally okay.

Not sure what you think there needs to be accountability for. People/debate moderators call out Bernie all the time on socialism or plan details. It's not his fault he has far less negative baggage than Hillary. If she didn't want so much scrutiny she shouldn't have said and done so many right-wing things in the past.
 
B-Dubs said:
The thing is, if there's a politician who has never had the benefit of the doubt it'd be her. Rightly or wrongly.

Seeing the sort of shit coming out of Bernie's campaign--that recent tweet is pretty goddamn funny considering the shit he pulled with the "not a real liberal" thing earlier in the year--she probably feels it's unfair that he's getting away with far more than anyone else ever could. Had her team, just as an example, been on the wrong side of the data breach it would have been the end of the campaign. Bernie raised money off it.
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This is EXACTLY why I'm so goddamn pissed that she literally can't just take the gloves off against him, because she has to keep his vitriolic and ignorant supporters.

He seriously needs to be put in his place.
 
zou said:
His campaign really is just a shit show. I don't really care about the caucus shenanigans either way, but to be the benefactor of caucus oddities and at the same time smearing/accusing the opponent of fraud is just pathetic. He really is just your typical politicians, with a gift for not being called on it.
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He's a delicate little flower and no one really wants to call him out on his bullshit for fear of turning off his most crazed supporters off. It's always been that way. After his campaign stole data from Clinton, it should've been the end of him but no.
 
adam387 said:
Because if he would become President, he would have had to fix some of the criticisms I laid out. He'd have shown an ability to bridge ideological divides. However, I don't think that would happen.
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The funny thing is, to dispell this false fact constantly pushed by Hillary Bros., Bernie has worked across the aisle. He's actually more well-liked by Republicans than Hillary. Has been for quite some time, not just because of this theory you have that they like him because they see him as "easy to beat". Admittedly his likability is in an unfair manner because most of their dislike for her is because of her name and for being a woman. Which is ridiculous on both counts.
 
A lot of protesters in this rally.

"Go home to mommy"

Trump loves this shit, I don't know how do they don't get this yet.
 
Kyosaiga said:
This is EXACTLY why I'm so goddamn pissed that she literally can't just take the gloves off against him, because she has to keep his vitriolic and ignorant supporters.

He seriously needs to be put in his place.
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Holmes said:
He's a delicate little flower and no one really wants to call him out on his bullshit for fear of turning off his most crazed supporters off. It's always been that way. After his campaign stole data from Clinton, it should've been the end of him but no.
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Are we talking about trump or bernie? What is with the hate, clinton is gonna win, shes gonna get 90% of bernies votes, no need to diablos or hate.
 
metalslimer said:
Bernies campaign is really starting to remind me of Hilary's when it starts to become clear she was going to lose. Lately he's seemingly done everything in his power to make sure his supporters aren't enthused once he loses the nomination and while Clinton might still win that could significantly effect the down ticket races.

Also essentially accusing her and the Democratic Party of fraud is far worse than anything Clinton has said or pulled this campaign.
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Literally praising the politicians responsible for letting thousands beyond thousands die (in a demographic she claims to support that is essential for her but has a rocky history ever supporting them anyway) is far worse than what you're saying in regards to Bernie accusing the Democratic Party of fraud.
 
Ekai said:
Literally praising the politicians responsible for letting thousands beyond thousands die (in a demographic she claims to support that is essential for her but has a rocky history ever supporting them anyway) is far worse than what you're saying in regards to Bernie accusing the Democratic Party of fraud.
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To be fair, Hillary completely apologized for saying that. I don't think that Bernie will apologize tomorrow about accusing the Iowa Democratic Party of fraud for getting delegates he shouldn't have gotten.
 
B-Dubs said:
The thing is, if there's a politician who has never had the benefit of the doubt it'd be her. Rightly or wrongly.
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The Clinton's are worth over 100 million dollars and she has the entire democratic machine behind her. Almost all mainstream media outlets take her side over Sanders. All while consistently flip flopping on lots of major issues and said/done right-wing things for 20 years. Not sure how anyone can portray her as a a victim who can't catch a break.
 
Ekai said:
Literally praising the politicians responsible for letting thousands beyond thousands die (in a demographic she claims to support that is essential for her but has a rocky history ever supporting them anyway) is far worse than what you're saying in regards to Bernie accusing the Democratic Party of fraud.
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Are you kidding me?
 
Angry Fork said:
Super insightful except for the whole opposite ideologies and demographic support and all that.



Bernie is appealing to people who have been disenfranchised and exploited and feel hopeless about their prospects. Hillary appeals to people who think things aren't that bad right now and Obama's presidency has been generally okay.

Not sure what you think there needs to be accountability for. People/debate moderators call out Bernie all the time on socialism or plan details. It's not his fault he has far less negative baggage than Hillary. If she didn't want so much scrutiny she shouldn't have said and done so many right-wing things in the past.
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No, that's fucking bullshit. Let's be fucking real here for a second: He's appealing to young college kids who literally have no idea how change is made in this country, who've all basically hopped on the bandwagon and their knowledge of government stops at 7th grade civics class, if that.

He's a fucking bandwagon candidate, with no nuance, no idea of fiscal policy, no idea of foreign policy and quite frankly, he's a fucking hack and liar. Why? He's been in Congress for decades, he should KNOW that his plans are completely and utterly DOA, yet he acts as if he can do it, and anyone who disagrees with him is an establishment shill. That's demagoguery. And demagogues have no place in the White House.
 
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