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UK Labour Leadership Crisis: Corbyn retained as leader by strong margin

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ultratruman

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Oh God, Steven Kinnock on Daily Politics right now; they really believe Eagle can beat Corbyn in a membership vote.

They really believe it.

Labour are pure fucked.
 
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PJV3

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ultratruman said:
Oh God, Steven Kinnock on Daily Politics right now; they really believe Eagle can beat Corbyn in a membership vote.

They really believe it.

Labour are pure fucked.
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They have to talk it up, they need to make people believe Corbyn is beatable.
 
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Bony Manifesto

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Kurtofan said:
He didn't lose any elections for Labour so far...
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Would it change anything if he lost elections though? He's not likely to voluntarily step down, no matter what the result. And even with a heavy defeat, will enough of the party members and supporters turn against him in any leadership challenge?

I think this upcoming leadership election will be hugely interesting - if he's still got enough support to win another clear first round victory (assuming there are even multiple opponents), even with the £25 fee for supporters to vote, he's effectively in the job for life, and I think we'll see the party split happen almost immediately.
 
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Coriolanus

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mrklaw said:
Maybe could have encouraged a larger turnout from young voters, who would have been heavily remain?
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Youth turnout was revised. Overall 60% and a bit. Same as all other age brackets except mummies, which was sky-high.

Old people simply didnt die fast enough.

pigeon said:
I mean, they didn't "drift towards UKIP" like a tectonic plate. If two-thirds of the Labour electorate is being drawn to another party, that's a pretty severe indictment of the party leader, right?
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Two-thirds isn't. One third is. His phrasing was sorta wonky.
 
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twobear

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While it's not difficult to imagine that Corbyn's position will get needled by Cameron today, I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that the entire reason Cameron is resigning is that he gambled the fate of the country on an ill-conceived bid to boost his popularity and lost. Hardly the firmest of ground to be standing on when attacking someone else's fitness for their role.
 
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Cheesecakebobby

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Is there any hard evidence related to working-class support for Corbyn? It might seem obvious to some that he lacks their support but is there any data to back up/ contradict such a claim?
 
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Morat

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godelsmetric said:
While it's not difficult to imagine that Corbyn's position will get needled by Cameron today, I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that the entire reason Cameron is resigning is that he gambled the fate of the country on an ill-conceived bid to boost his popularity and lost. Hardly the firmest of ground to be standing on.
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The thing with Cameron is that he is coated in teflon to an extent that not even Reagan could dream of.
 
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Zaph

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Cameron is going to go down in history as one of the worst and most damaging PM's of all time, and even with all that ammo, he's still managing to mug off Corbyn.

The state of the opposition...

edit: can't believe that 60% zero-hour stat

edit2: Cameron stealing jokes from twitter
 
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twobear

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I think an effective strategy for Corbyn today would be the Paxman approach. No matter what Cameron says just repeat 'You gambled the country's future on a stupid bid for popularity and lost. What do you have to say for yourself?'
 
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Bony Manifesto

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godelsmetric said:
I think an effective strategy for Corbyn today would be the Paxman approach. No matter what Cameron says just repeat 'You gambled the country's future on a stupid bid for popularity and lost. What do you have to say for yourself?'
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Not really Corbyn's style though is it? 'Kinder politics' and all that.
 
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Hazzuh

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godelsmetric said:
I think an effective strategy for Corbyn today would be the Paxman approach. No matter what Cameron says just repeat 'You gambled the country's future on a stupid bid for popularity and lost. What do you have to say for yourself?'
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That is basically Cameron's approach lol. Someone should do a study in to how many of his answers since becoming PM were "Labour wrecked the economy".
 
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godelsmetric said:
I think an effective strategy for Corbyn today would be the Paxman approach. No matter what Cameron says just repeat 'You gambled the country's future on a stupid bid for popularity and lost. What do you have to say for yourself?'
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Effective opposition, the soundbite years.

It sucks but it works, like Cameron never admitting anything ever.
 
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RangerX

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I have to say Corbyn is doing quite well in PMQs. I'd have him any day over Eagle and most of the other centrists. I'm Irish though so its all academic for me.
 
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PJV3 said:
Effective opposition, the soundbite years.

It sucks but it works, like Cameron never admitting anything ever.
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The sad thing is that it isn't just Corbyn that doesn't seem to understand this, it's the whole Labour Party. What's Eagle's message? What does she stand for? Even Ed Miliband managed to get One Nation Labour up and running pretty quickly, and he was not exactly endowed with political good messaging.
 
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Crab said:
The sad thing is that it isn't just Corbyn that doesn't seem to understand this, it's the whole Labour Party. What's Eagle's message? What does she stand for? Even Ed Miliband managed to get One Nation Labour up and running pretty quickly, and he was not exactly endowed with political good messaging.
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Kinder politics :(

Really useful for people not members of political parties.
 
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Hazzuh

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Some good news for Corbyn:
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 36% (+1)
LAB: 35% (+1)
LDEM: 11% (+2)
UKIP: 8% (-2)
GRN: 4% (-)
(via Ipsos Mori / 09 - 11 Jul)
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Some bad news:

Ipsos-Mori: satisfaction with Corbyn among *Labour voters* goes negative for first time.

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Oppo ldr ratings after 10 mths:
Foot - 32
Kinnock -7
Smith +1
Blair +29
Hague -16
IDS - 9
Howard -15
Cameron -1
Ed M -7

Corbyn -41
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CyclopsRock

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Thing is, please talk alot about how school-boy'ish PMQs is and how it's all soundbites, but that's basically how it's meant to be. All the other governmental question times, legislative debates, committees and all that shite, that's where all that boring shit happens. PMQs is the only time when politicians know it'll end up on TV and so part of holding the government to account is in how you can bend and manipulate the media narrative accordingly. This is, basically, how it's meant to be.

IMO.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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PMQs was Blair's idea. It does serve a good function, though.

I generally trust Ipsos Mori on reporting LD voting intentions the best. If the LDs are on 11%, that's very cheering.

UKIP's vote slowly collapsing is also nice to see.

Meadows said:
LDs standing up to applaud. Pretty much the only ones on the opp bench to do so.

Class.
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It'd be rude not to. We were in coalition with the man for five years. Whatever Farron et all think about the coalition, it would be infantile for us to not recognise that.

This represents the final end of the coalition in a lot of ways. The Tory side dragged on for a year and two months before Cameron committed sudoku.

The government May leads will not be the liberal wing of the Tories, chirping on about prison reforms and gay marriage.
 
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hodgy100

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Crab said:
No, there's many, many reasons for the malaise. However, it should be the job of the leader to reverse that malaise, not let it stagnate.
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I agree. it would have been nice to have a party that didn't immediately try to hinder their leader the moment he got elected though.

The PLP have made things so much more difficult for themselves than they needed to. they should have rallied behind Corbyn to begin with and behaved as a united group. then if things didn't get better and if corbyn showed to be unsuitable even with complete party backing then i don't think people would be defending him nearly as much and would be much more welcoming to a different leader.

and if things got better with the party uniting behind corbyn then that's great. By being unruly like the plp have been theyve jsut created easy excuses for corbyn and his supporters.
 
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Hazzuh

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Corbyn is more unpopular now than Hague, IDS, Howard, Kinnock, Thatcher, Smith, Blair, Cameron *ever were* as oppo leaders

The only oppo leaders to ever plumb the depths Corbyn is currently hitting were Foot & Ed M. And both took a lot longer to hit this low ebb.

Corbyn right now more unpopular than Thatcher during miners' strike and roughly as unpopular as she was after Poll Tax & during 81 recession
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More info on Corbyn's unpopularity. Still better than Clegg who hit -65% approval lol.
 
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Huw_Dawson said:
PMQs was Blair's idea. It does serve a good function, though.

I generally trust Ipsos Mori on reporting LD voting intentions the best. If the LDs are on 11%, that's very cheering.

UKIP's vote slowly collapsing is also nice to see
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This really should be it for UKIP.

If things go badly I imagine it will be tough finding anyone to admit they supported them, shy Tory is going to be nothing compared to the Shy lunatic.

Also, I really hope the Libdems bounce back in a lot of areas, it might be one of the few ways to control Tory ambitions.
 
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