pseudocaesar
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Yeah thats just sold me, had intended to get both a Pro and Titanfall 2 at some point.. but im jumping in at launch now.
Digital Foundry PS4 Pro Launch Coverage Begins
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Yeah thats just sold me, had intended to get both a Pro and Titanfall 2 at some point.. but im jumping in at launch now.
Ammogeddon
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Clean af.
This looks very nice indeed.
I was going to pick up TF2 today but I'm going to hold out until next week when I get my pro.
Going for maximum impact PRO/TF2 combo.
And that's a downscaled 1080p screenshot, does that mean it'll look even nicer 4K?
Guardian Monkey
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Well fuck, there it is. I'm in.
I don't even get what you talking about, because nothing like that has even been said, my only point is if you expect a $400 piece of equipment do better than $1000 computers you have some unrealistic expectations or something...
Wtf are you talking about?
That's great! It's always nice to keep a diverse catalogue between different companies if one can afford it 😁, that's why I'm looking forward to Scorpio and keeping expectations in check for Switch, in case I find it appealing once it is fully revealed.
LordOfChaos
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It was speculated it was just integrated into the northbridge or southbridge iirc, since the Slim didn't see any speedup either.
I don't know where to ask this:
Is this an okay deal from GameStop Germany?
I've got a launch PS4 and some assy games I could give them:
It's not bad.
Especially due the two shitty games.
Worth it, if you don't want the hassle of selling it in private.
guitarguy316
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So for games like titanfall, are the pro upgrades like graphics updates in MP too? I know they said they won't let pro players have better MP frame rate, but still get 4K, etc?
The framerate is actually rock solid 60 as far as I can read, so improving that isn't in the cards anyway.
The resolution is surely better, and more stable in cases like Titanfall with a dynamic resolution.
Titanfall isn't 4k btw.
To answer your question though, yes MP games will have a better resolution and there will be no forced parity there.
MP games get enhancements, they just can't target higher framerates than the OG version
SapientWolf
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They do. It's kind of interesting because I think the players with the sharp screen have the advantage. That blur is horrible.
FukuDaruma
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There is no problem playing at locked 50 or 60 with vsync as long as your display Hz matches the fps, but if your display doesn't have a native 30p mode you are most definitely going to have problems on PC with locked 30fps titles.
Framepacing issues are usual in 30fps locked titles on PC. Using a display with Frame Interpolation makes the effect much more noticeable. There are a lot of tools around like NVinspector, Rivatuner, DXtory or even Fraps that let you cap the framerate, force vsync, triple buffering, etc. using different methods, but none of them does a perfect job.
Been playing all sorts of games over the years mostly on PC with both AMD and Nvidia and most generations of consoles. Consoles usually do a much better job with framepacing. Not all games (Bloodborne is not smooth at all, but I think that's due to constantly falling under 30fps) but most of them. No racing game on PC at 30fps plays as smooth as Driveclub, there is always some hitching and some microstuttering here and there. Same with any typical third person action-adventure: Assasins Creed, Tomb Raider, GTA...
But hey, neither "PC Masterrace" shit nor "Console pawa" for me... been happily playing on everything for decades.
perineumlick
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Someone earlier said that dark's post about downsampling was hyperbole. Well, that TF2 comparison shows a pretty big difference to me; a very big improvement. Now I know TF2 isn't native 1080p, but this still gives an exciting preview of what to expect from the Pro for 1080p TV owners. I just wish my dumb ass would have waited for the 2016 Vizio P series, instead of buying the 2014 version a year and a half ago. No HDR for me : (
BRocknRolla
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It will indeed. There will be more pixels displayed on the screen, so it'll look even cleaner.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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You forget almost all games have post process aa (blurriness), and even downsampled that smear aa is still there!
ShadowkillXNA
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Wasnt weapon degradation in the pc version of dark souls 2 tied to the framerate so when you uncapped it weapons wore out much faster ?
BRocknRolla
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Yes. There are in fact more examples. DS was just a popular example. Whether it's a good dev strategy or not, some developers do tie various interactions to framerare. People who don't know the code aren't qualified to say whether or not a jump from 30 to 60 is or is not reasonable. As with any new console or power comparison, we've got a lot of arm chair devs talking about how decisions of the actual devs don't make sense.
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I can see the difference, however I'm waiting for DF to do a slide/side by side of the same spot.
thebigmachine
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in the same boat with vizio p 2014. plus the screen just got a red 1px stripe going vertically right in the middle >.< I think it's a sign to buy a 2017 model when they drop.
Piku_Ringo
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Rich ain't looking too happy for some reason
He's been moving around a lot due to PS4 Pro coverage, probably tired af.
I get where you're coming from with some of that, but much of it doesn't fit my experience owning both consoles and a gaming PC.
First, all platforms have exclusives, so it all balances out. There are just as many games I would miss out on if I did all my gaming on my PS4.
Second, I don't have a lot of issues with my PC games. I honestly don't. 99% of them just work. The other 1% usually take a negligible amount of time to fix. I've had issues on my consoles too.
Next, you say that a lot of multiplatform games come much later to PC, but I don't think that is the case. The PC gets almost everything these days, barring a few exceptions. Destiny and Red Dead Redemption being the only notable ones I can think of. And I can mention other games that one or another console missed out on or had to wait on.
As for 30fps being smoother on consoles, I can't say that's true with the techniques I've used. Some of the methods I used before did seem to introduce more microstutter or lag on some games, but this isn't the case with the newer methods. I've since moved to gaming on a G-Sync monitor anyway, which is the smoothest I've ever experienced, even when down around 30fps.
I do agree with you about aliasing being one of the most annoying visual artifacts and I'm glad we are getting much cleaner looking games across the board these days than we did in previous generations.
I like both PC and consoles and I'm eagerly awaiting the PS4 Pro, I just think you were painting a little bit of a one sided picture in your comment.
DeadlyVirus
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This just sold on PS4 Pro. Putting down pre-order tomorrow.
Any trade-in deals? I know Gamestop is giving $150 for a PS4 (according to their website)
FukuDaruma
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It may sounded like that putting it all together in a short sentence.
It's not exactly that everyone has problems, but most configurations do, specially pre Gsync and Freesync. I have no Gsync, and did most of my gaming on projectors in last 10 years or so, which have its pros and cons.
The thing is, almost any 30fps locked game on ps4, ps3, 360, wii is perfectly smooth on my current and previous projectors from different brands with different features and even refresh rates (had an Acer with 120Hz a few years back). But never on PC with several generations from both Nvidia and AMD, and totally different CPU and rest of hard over the years.
My PS4 Pro arrives launch date too. Very interested specially in improvements on PSVR.
TVexperto
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I don't know where to ask this:
Is this an okay deal from GameStop Germany?
I've got a launch PS4 and some assy games I could give them:
Where did you find this deal?! I cant find any information on their website or social media accounts in germany, I need this
https://www.mydealz.de/deals/eintauschaktion-zur-ps4-pro-bei-gamestop-862140
Looks like a gamestop employee took the picture and it isn't official yet.
Monday it will be.
PLASTICA-MAN
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You know PS2 could enhance PS1 games and orginal 60 GB PS3 model could enhance PS2 games. Why couldn't PS4 PRO enhance PS4 games by default?
So a HDR game would look better with 420 right now since TVs dont currently support 10Bit RGB. Would a non HDR game look worse with the 420? Just trying to figure out exactly to set this up
Also if I hooked up a 4k 10bit HDR tv via HDMI to my PC what output option should I select from the nvidia control panel? 420? 422? 444?
fwiw I don't plan on using a 4k 10bit HDR as my main monitor. Will only use it to play games
PS1 and PS2 games were nothing in complexity to today's games. Every bit of code is optimized in a certain way.
With that being said, we don't know the actual results of putting an unpatched game in just yet,so just wait.
Equanimity
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I might be wrong but it could be because PS2/3 emulated previous gen games whereas the PS4 Pro simply downclocks to match the OG PS4 specs.
Because they're treating it as the same generation. You're talking a generation ahead playing last gen games better.
Equanimity
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What does it relate to?
DF said that where? All I'm seeing is a GAFer quote.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
"secret sauce"
Your taking my quotes as DF's lol.
I was saying that Cerny only mentioned downclocking the components to simulate PS4, which did not account for the advancements in architecture of the GPU or the bandwidth, which would yield passive improvements even at the same clock as PS4.
I think he/she is talking about at the end of the video when he said something about a few more tidbits that he will release over time
https://youtu.be/7ghA7yrc8so?t=28m53s
Edit: oh he/she actually quoted your comment from the OP
Those enhancements were simple things like reading from discs faster and turning on texture filtering. I don't think any games ran faster.
Translated from Japanese so I don't fully understand it but are they saying that all the new features from Polaris & Vega are disabled when in PS4 base mode?
http://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999024/20161103002/
http://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999024/20161103002/
PS2 was over 10X the power of PS1 & PS3 was over 10X the power of PS2 while PS4 Pro is only 2X the GPU power of the PS4 & even less than 2X the CPU powerful so it doesn't have the room to brute force enhancements on top of running the games perfectly.
They probably can do some enhancement on the driver level later on & let people turn on features for all un patched games
Piku_Ringo
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Is that why he's talking over his co host in some parts of the video?
How were psx games enhanced by ps2?
Anyway, Sony wants to play safe because of compatibility. Also there is close to no option to enhance games without recompiling them. Better framerate would've been possible but apparently that won't happen.
Just responding to a foolish post with a stupid answer. That's what.
I was simply annoyed at the insinuation that game developers not providing an option for an uncapped, unstable frame-rate were somehow lazy or depriving that poster of what they perceived to deserve. It seems disrespectful to me and lacks an understanding of the games being made. When I say "lower standards" I was only referring to someone that is perfectly fine with a wildly unstable frame-rates.
Apologies for the confusion, though. Didn't mean for it to be read in that way.
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I can't read!
I don't know where to ask this:
Is this an okay deal from GameStop Germany?
I've got a launch PS4 and some assy games I could give them:
I think that's actually a pretty good deal, especially if you can give them two old, shitty games. The deal they had for the PS4 Slim was less favorable acually. You had to pay 110€ additionally to trading in a 500GB PS4 plus two games. The Pro his 100€ more expensive than the Slim, yet instead of paying 210€ additionally to trading in a 500GB PS4 plus 2 games, you just pay 189€. That's like a 20€ discount.