That still sucks, that's how I'll spend 95% of my play time.
Injustice 2 Roster Discussion & Speculation Thread
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That still sucks, that's how I'll spend 95% of my play time.
LordOfLore
Banned
Xbox or PS4?
pock3tmonster
Banned
Transforming Gear is the only feature locked behind Source Crystals. It's only purpose is to transfer stats/abilities from one piece of gear to another while retaining the look. It's consumer friendly because you still have access to the same amount of content whether you buy Source Crystals or not. You can completely ignore the microtransactions and there are no negative consequences.
We already expected we'd have to pay for Premier Skins due to the extra work involved for those with new voices, etc, as well as licensing if they opt for movie and television based costumes. The fact that these can also drop in game, albeit with a low drop chance, is a win for us.
My guess is it's a gear ability, and joke one, as it looks completely useless.
So can you not get gear in vs. CPU or am I reading that wrong?
Xbox
You can, just not local multiplayer. Single player vs. CPU you do get drops.
pock3tmonster
Banned
Not via local versus matches against another player. Single player matches versus the CPU still give loot.
Ah, OK. That's great, seeing as that's what I'll be doing 90% of the time. Thanks.
pock3tmonster
Banned
No problem, I understand the confusion.
See, an opinion would be, "I'm fine with this". And that would be your opinion, indeed.
Saying this is consumer friendly, is a flat out lie. This isn't an opinion.
Now let's go back to the issue.
So you've been in this thread quite a bit, so I know for a fact that you're ve seen the huge amount of people that wish to be playing without stats or would like to have another mode where you can keep abilities but disable stats.
Meaning for a lot of people, the only point of gear is cosmetic. Design your hero's look. That's a selling point in the game. And even people that care about stats can also care about looks, they're not contradictory.
So now let's take an example from the beta. My best armor for Superman, had a shitty clipping issue that ruined his cutscenes. So I had to wear something else, that wasn't anywhere as good.
Now you're telling me that locking away, behind a pay wall, the only solution to that problem, aka transferring stats over another piece of gear, is consumer friendly.
No it isn't.
So now let's look into what the game business model is :
- You have to buy 9 characters
- You have to buy crystals to get skins
- You have buy crystals to buy colors
- You have to buy crystals to transmute gear
With 0 way to earn ingame money whatsoever (even behind some big grind).
pock3tmonster
Banned
Just quickly, this has already been clarified many times in this thread and others since the livestream. Premier Skins and Shaders are both drops and thus obtainable WITHOUT purchasing Source Crystals. Given we already anticipated we'd have to purchase Premier Skins, as was the model in the first game, this is a pleasant surprise. This *is* consumer friendly. No content is locked behind the Source Crystals.
You can STILL make your character look however you want. You are ignoring that fact. If you want to preserve specific stats or abilities attached to existing pieces of gear, however, you do need to purchase Source Crystals to do so. Gear stats seem to be linked to your character's levels, so once a character's level is maxed out, gear drops should have relative stats making it easier to find replacements for equipped gear.
The 9 downloadable characters do not pertain to the microtransaction system and given the work involved in their development, were obviously going to be paid DLC. I have made no claims on them being consumer friendly or otherwise, however, merely the microtransaction system.
AdaWong
Junior Member
oh yeah totally forgot about those!
Schweinehund
Member
Firestorm is a disappointment, just a generic fire nuker.
They could have done some awesome stuff with transmutation but nah.
They could have done some awesome stuff with transmutation but nah.
They say SOME, not all of them, so by definition, there IS content locked behind the source crystals.
While I expected skins to be DLC, I sure did not expect shaders to be locked behind them too.
Sure you can make him look like what you want, with worse stats. The fact that you have to pay real money to fix that issue is not tolerable. Also, the drop rate of legendary pieces is going to be extremely slow. While you could maybe, possibly, get one for your main character, it makes trying out other characters far more difficult. And while competitive is mostly gonna be played off stats, the other modes in the game are very stats dependent.
Also sorry but this is a very stupid remark. If you're "cosplaying" your Superman to be like Man of Steel, it doesn't matter if you get a replacement gear that has the stats you want, it won't be the right costume. Your solution only addresses the clipping issue, and while you have a point, it doesn't work for cosplay needs.
They are still microtransactions, the fact that "we could expect them to be DLC" is kind of irrelevant. As a whole, the game has a shit load of stuff locked behind a pay wall, despite being a 70 euros game at release.
I will buy the game because I respect their work. But I still don't think it's "consumer friendly".
At the very least, Firestorm should take some inspiration from Tremor.
pock3tmonster
Banned
You did expect Shaders to be DLC though.
Let's just agree to disagree, because I don't think we're going to see eye to eye. At least not until Buffy is announced as a Guest Character.
You did expect Shaders to be DLC though.
Let's just agree to disagree, because I don't think we're going to see eye to eye. At least not until Buffy is announced as a Guest Character.
Ok first of all, one contradiction doesn't magically erase all the other points.
Second of all, I guess I'll explain it.
I always assumed that they would have payable things like skins and shaders.
The problem is that there is virtually no way to earn the currency in game. I've always thought they would have ingame currency that you can earn. This is a big difference because now they are locked behind a paywall only.
Microtransactions as ways to get to content faster sounds fine by me (as long as it doesn't affect gameplay). That's not what we got at all.
I said this in the same post
slaythe said:
And this triggered the argument
I didn't think this would be a flat out pay wall considering the gigantic amount of characters and content that represents, on top of a lot of DLC characters.
I did expect actors likeness to be paid only because of licensing issue. But that's about it.
Something I've noticed about Injustice 2 that's impressed me is that, over and over, a character reveal always improves over time with the fans. Faces get better. Skepticism melts away. Animations improve. Fight stances get fixed. Tweaks here and there that keep adding up to a quality experience.
Cheetah is the latest. I remember the skepticism and criticism of her initial reveal, and I'm happy to see opinion on her shift after an extensive demo of what she's capable of.
Here's the thing though, the Joker's story arc is essentially complete. We've seen how the insurgency deals with him and Quinn, the only thing left to see is how the regime deals with him and considering they're still behind everything Superman stands for it isn't too hard to guess (murderous intent). Joker's return does nothing for the plot (AFAIK) nor character development, it'll just be how people react to seeing him again. For Harley it's the worst possible thing because you either see her go back to him which is a regression of the first game where she was going to kill him before Lex stopped her or it just solidifies what we already know about her.
He's also the motivation for her face turn, we've seen in game that she's over him. Her bio could simply refer to her feelings from the first game carrying over but she's clearly still part of the "good" guys. She's already shown she wouldn't seek revenge after Lex talked her down, she proved she's better than Superman and Joker in that instant so a revenge storyline is a regression for her. Batman did exactly that, apprehended the Joker and locked him up in IGAU, what would change in these 5 years? No he wouldn't in the insurgency's eyes since they didn't blame him a the Joker of that universe, yes he would in the regimes eyes as Joker is Joker as shown by Damien/Hawkgirl I'm IGAU.
Lex, in game, is the turning point to the public, and player's, perception of Superman. We hear about him murdering Oliver but mostly he's just a dictator "protecting people", news and the public are even applauding him during the prison fight. Then he murders Lex and people start to question him to which his answer is to just flatten Metropolis and Gotham, killing millions of innocent people in the process. For Superman, Oliver/Lex have a bigger potential for impact than Joker as he'd just get angry and try to kill Joker again. For some of the cast we've already seen how they react, for everyone else it'd mostly be similar. I don't see a great impact on people with a Joker return.
lucebuce12
Member
So i wasn't just imagining this. Maybe you can earn 'em by finishing challenges like First Victory of the day, log in bonus... i'm sure there will be ways to get crystals without paying. Just not as many and not as often.
You wont be missed, fartface Wonder Woman. NRS really stepped their game up.
LordOfLore
Banned
Finaika
Member
Well he does look like a NetherRealm Studios game character.
Is Ed Boon teasing Injustice 2 for the Switch or....?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VtFfJzWw44
They're AWFUL at the game, but at least we get a better look at Aquaman's updated model. His face looks great.
They're AWFUL at the game, but at least we get a better look at Aquaman's updated model. His face looks great.
LordOfLore
Banned
Nah, he's just playing games on the console. Made it clear when he got it and posted the logo to stop people assuming things IIRC.
Damn...
pock3tmonster
Banned
I'd love a portable version of Injustice 2, I played the Vita version religiously. However, this is surely just Ed Boon trolling? I doubt the legitimacy of a Switch port.
I mean I don't want to come across as a port begger, but I do think it's possible. Fighting games should work great on the Switch since they're not as CPU intensive. Injustice 2 was developed in Unreal Engine 3 IIRC, and should scale wonderfully.
It looks like they also update Supergirls face again, and her hair slightly.
Though it means fuck all if they keep that win pose.
It's UE4
Injustice 2 runs on a modified version of UE3, actually. It's the same engine that MKX used.
Looks like they updated Supergirl's look again:
Left is old, right is new (from the upupdown thing).
Looks sick.
Catwomam stays losing.
They improved Superman too a ton overall except for the new shitty intro that they made worse for no reason, it's a 2 second fix so hopefully they revert it back. He only looks bad during his Super activation. Mostly because of the lightning. Hopefully will be fixed too.
Could've sworn someone in an interview said it was Unreal 4 but can't find it so I was probably mistaken.
GringoSuave89
Banned
I have hope for Catwoman to be improved.
Don't sweat it, it happens to the best of us.
I would rather have injustice 2 on Switch instead of no DC fighting game on Switch.The Switch is great to be its own thing, I don't want it to be a shitty ps4 that you can take anywhere, no thank you.
I'd love a 2D "DC animated" style fighter, that would be sick, for the Switch. But no Injustice 2 on this :/ .
Also, Aquaman got one hell of a revamp.
Sorry but I've been dreaming of this ever since I saw the episode and I feel like it would fit the Switch 100% rather than some ugly ass version of Injustice 2.
