[MLiD] PS6 Early Specs Leak: AMD RDNA 5, Lower Price than PS5 Pro!
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Do you understand what I wrote? Windows Phone would also be a "Windows device."
2018 account, start posting in 2025... Didn't MS end the "Xbox Ambassadors"?
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Panajev2001a
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Panajev2001a
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The way you are pitching it would play out the same way today already… GDK, same day software releases on PC, Windows / MS / everything is an Xbox, etc… you are kind of waving your hands, throwing random factoids at the wall, and claiming victory.
And that was exactly what Windows Phone "fans" were saying at the time, along with the so-called magical SDK, that the app would work on Xbox 360, PC, and Windows Phone.
It was bizarre; they said Forza Motorsport would run "the same" on Windows Phone, Xbox 360, and PC with the same code; it seemed like magic.
It's unbelievable that people are repeating the same nonsense about Windows Phone now with Xbox...
bitbydeath
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Surface and Xbox are their main devices.
Both are increasingly likely to stop being made in the near future.
Satya is a software/services guy, he doesn't care about devices.
Corporal.Hicks
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Everything depends on how demanding the game is. If leaks are correct it seems the PS6 will have similar power to my specs and my PC can run many games from my library at 4K native 120-200fps, some even with Ray Tracing (Resident Evil 3 remame, RE 8 village, or Doom Eternal for example).
Of course, developers on the PS6 will push the hardware and graphics fidelity to the max, so people should expect FSR4 and FG technology to be used to achieve 120 fps. I think 120 fps on the PS6 will become the new standard because it will be possible to achieve 120 fps even in path-traced games.
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DrKeo
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Why would a console with AI cores render a game at a native 4K resolution? What a waste.
It will be discontinued, just like the PS4 Pro was discontinued on Jan 5th, 2021, just 7 weeks after the PS5 was launched.
Probably. As far as I'm concerned, Xbox doesn't exist anymore. Microsoft is a publisher now, went down the Sega route.
For me, all this talk about "PC Xbox" and "Xbox PC" is just Phil asking for some spare change to cover up the Xbox's bankruptcy.
Pure smokescreen for the suits to "fall upwards" in the eyes of the shareholders and Xbox fanboys.
DrKeo
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I have no idea what Xbox is going to do. As always, their messaging is confusing AF. It seems like they are taking two routes at the same time; one is a Windows Xbox Lite, an OS for partner machines. The other is their next-gen console, which features a unique SOC that includes BC and likely requires proprietary development. Will it also have third party storefronts and run PC games? Who knows. Microsoft's biggest sin in the past 15 years is a total lack of focus.
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HeisenbergFX4
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No chance.
HeisenbergFX4
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Agreed no chance it require special development, no dev is going to do that for such a small niche market
Magnus is used for both
HeisenbergFX4
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Dural
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Just so I understand this alleged leak correctly. Sony is releasing its console after the new Xbox, and it's also significantly weaker? Who would believe such nonsense?
They're both going to be made on the same node. Typically, you'd be on a smaller node by waiting longer allowing for more transistors at the same cost. With the cost of smaller nodes now that isn't likely to be the case if you wait longer.
So magnus is going to be used for next gen xbox console and also will be sold to oems to put their own xbox stickers on?
I see next generation as MS doesn't release any hardware themselves it's all on the oems to produce a next generation xbox...Microsoft will pay decent amount to the oems to subsidize and incentivize them to release a product, which will still be far less than if they tried to go another console generation themselves. Just no way to regain the series generation momentum, too far away imo. And if Nadella pulls the plug, they'll just focus on pc.
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viveks86
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Identical SoCs = identical pricing too?
Would people please pay attention to what this man has been saying
So potentially something that's double the performance of a ps5 pro for a $1000? If that's what MS are going with I could see ps6 definitely pushed back a couple years.
This new round the ambassadors pay to join. Microsoft teats have run dry.
Radical_3d
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HeisenbergFX4
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I think the console coming from Xbox could be competitively priced (still more expensive than traditional consoles) but the OEM 3rd party machines will vary in price starting well above the PS5 Pro pricing
Who honestly knows where actual performance is going to land with AI features
viveks86
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I meant the Xbox PC coming from Xbox. Or is Xbox only releasing the console and the PC will come through an OEM?
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DrKeo
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That makes it even weirder.
The ninja farmer
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One for Xbox as made by Microsoft (the mega console and biggest 'tech jump' they mentioned).
No handheld, based on the reports, for the moment. Support for 3rd parties though. Eg. Like Rog. So I would guess that doesn't rule out binned chips being reused for that. But it think these will be a whole different set of socs and chips and more rely on streaming from the cloud. For Xbox parity
And another for third parties to use and potentially have higher or lower spec versions. But this may come at a cost
With the talk of baked in bc. I guess using Magnus as the base soc. then they get the compat up and down the cost and performance stack. Regardless of who makes the device (and of course the new console or game focussed version of windows. That there was talk of, to unify it all)
Could be interesting.
I'm now also curious to see how it plays out and what with possibly a lower spec chip. Sony does on a slightly smaller node with managing the power, thermals and efficiency. To compete (see ps5 and what Sony does with less cus than the competition to make that decide perform as it does. )
Just my two cents and not an attempt to console war
Fess
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So, if I understood it correctly, they're working with AMD to essentially make a new serie of APUs with full PC compatibility but also extra Xbox console silicone, usable for BC and rare console exclusives. And that APU can then be used on their "dedicated console" as well as be licensed out to OEM partners to make an "Xbox PC".
Correct?
That's right.
HeisenbergFX4
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DrKeo
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My assumption was that MS is making a few tiered SOC, similar to the XSS and XSX. They will release them as Xbox consoles, and also sell them to 3rd party manufacturers to make their own proper Xbox machines just like Nvidia makes a founder's edition 5080 RTX and MSI buys the chip and make their own flavor of the 5080 RTX.One for Xbox as made by Microsoft (the mega console and biggest 'tech jump' they mentioned).
No handheld, based on the reports, for the moment. Support for 3rd parties though. Eg. Like Rog. So I would guess that doesn't rule out binned chips being reused for that. But it think these will be a whole different set of socs and chips and more rely on streaming from the cloud. For Xbox parity
And another for third parties to use and potentially have higher or lower spec versions. But this may come at a cost
With the talk of baked in bc. I guess using Magnus as the base soc. then they get the compat up and down the cost and performance stack. Regardless of who makes the device (and of course the new console or game focussed version of windows. That there was talk of, to unify it all)
Could be interesting.
I'm now also curious to see how it plays out and what with possibly a lower spec chip. Sony does on a slightly smaller node with managing the power, thermals and efficiency. To compete (see ps5 and what Sony does with less cus than the competition to make that decide perform as it does. )
Just my two cents and not an attempt to console war
Then, in a totally separate path, MS has the new Windows lite for gaming that can run on any PC, just like the new ROG. It's not really an Xbox, it's a PC with an OS tailored to gamers.
That's what I had in mind when I saw everything they presented.
pacman4000
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Is there a "both"? Or is just 1 product with variations?
I.e. will it be similar to graphics cards? One reference design ("founders edition", to use Nvidia language) from Microsoft and then different third-party alternatives which will be variations of this reference design?
All of them running "Windows Xbox Edition". Or whatever they will use to make the connection to current Windows PCs..
Edit: Oops, sorry. Looks like you already answered.
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Fess
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That's wild.
And it can seamlessly go between a PC mode and Xbox mode?
Or is it (I'll show my age now, sorry) kind of like Commodore 128, which had you holding a button when powering on to go between C128 mode (which had a lackluster software library) and C64 mode (which is what everybody used) ?
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Physiognomonics
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So Magnus is actually a PC!
*Personal Console
*Personal Console
Fess
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The idea of it all is great, merging console and PC and having everything at one spot.
But I would've never guessed that they would try doing it through hardware!
The assumption, I think for most of us, is that they would do it through some software emulation, in Xbox App.
And as a PC gamer I would prefer a software solution.
This thing would just be another console box I don't really need. Weaker than my PC and a console with no exclusives besides old bc titles I could just as well play on Series X.
This is unless AMD starts to include the Xbox silicone into a regular 9800X3D… Then I would upgrade the living room PC asap!
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DrKeo
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Xbox having their encryption chip in a PC running windows... sounds unnatural. It will be hacked so fast.
I'm having trouble to believe the PC version and console version of Magnus are 100% the same. Unless the next Xbox is literally a PC and Xbox is just an OS. If your chip has the right hardware Xbox BC runs natively, and if you don't it runs from Xcloud. Super agnostic, Xbox is an OS only and features unlock according to the present hardware. Next level "smart delivery".
I'm having trouble to believe the PC version and console version of Magnus are 100% the same. Unless the next Xbox is literally a PC and Xbox is just an OS. If your chip has the right hardware Xbox BC runs natively, and if you don't it runs from Xcloud. Super agnostic, Xbox is an OS only and features unlock according to the present hardware. Next level "smart delivery".
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HeisenbergFX4
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Maybe, but I am just the messenger
Radical_3d
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And the customer. I knowMaybe, but I am just the messenger
But this is going to see the highest user base drop since the Dreamcast, me thinks. We'll see people surprised of how steep the curve is going to be.
HeisenbergFX4
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I don't disagree with you at all and could very well be Xbox last stand in the console hardware businessAnd the customer. I know
As I have said before though (and told people here 2 years ago they were going to do) at least they are trying something different as getting killed by Sony releasing in the same window isn't working
Radical_3d
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Releasing in the same window with the same power while under delivering games for 10 years didn't work, certainly. Hardware wasn't ever the issue. Please watch the E3 2014 presentation, people. It's infuriating.
asdasdasdbb
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It's probably just a dual boot type deal. Boot into XBox, get the existing library. Boot into Windows, get Steam and Free MP.
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Physiognomonics
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That would explain the 10 cores CPU if one or 2 cores are constantly needed for Windows OS.
But I think the real winner here will be Steam. Both Sony and MS are kneeling to Steam as the main gaming platform. War is over, and both Nintendo and Steam won.
But I think the real winner here will be Steam. Both Sony and MS are kneeling to Steam as the main gaming platform. War is over, and both Nintendo and Steam won.
viveks86
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Did MLiD say earlier that PS6 ray tracing performance is faster than 5080?
I guess 5 to 10x is such a wide range that it may be possible? The pro was allegedly 3x and I'm not sure to what extent it could even be realized, with CPU and bandwidth limitations. It makes sense that the next one would be designed with those bottlenecks minimized.
I guess 5 to 10x is such a wide range that it may be possible? The pro was allegedly 3x and I'm not sure to what extent it could even be realized, with CPU and bandwidth limitations. It makes sense that the next one would be designed with those bottlenecks minimized.
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Fess
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Yeah, I like the general idea of it. Another ordinary console would've been boring.
I just wonder how competent that APU will actually be for PC versions. Is there anything in the leaks hinting roughly where it'll stand compared to regular PC parts?
Dural
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Sounds great to me. Will be interesting to see what the OEMs do with it (hopefully not just put a ROG badge on it and charge hundreds more).
Should be great for an all in one box for the TV if I can put a different front end on it like Emulation Station or Launchbox and launch into the Xbox App, Steam, or emulators. Currently using an old mini office PC with a Ryzen 5 2400g and Batocera, it's good up to about PS2 and GC for emulation.
An APU that allows both Xbox and PC, including all games previously bought to be played through BC, along with all PC launcher games, and performance on par or better than a 5080 is a bad idea? Also launching in a year.
vaibhavpisal
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If you have a good pc, forget about magnus and focus on higher end Udna card from Amd.
Usually on console release, both Amd and nvidia offer real jump in hardware.
Fess
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9950X3D+5090, 7800X3D+4090. I mean they're okay but I'm still interested what to expect from this strange thing.
The hardware based Xbox compatibility combined with a PC is an interesting concept. Again, is there any info out there if going between modes will be seamless? Or is it a reboot to change scenario?
DrKeo
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That is the worse possible solution. Dual booting console? What next? Asking the customer to use the command line?
It's a console, it suppose to be simple. If you resort to dual booting you failed the assignment.
Best solution to this, if they are trying to unify everything under a single banner, is to have some sort of Windows xbox edition that launches straight into the Xbox UI and depending on the underlying hardware different users will have access to different features. You got a ROG Ally? BC will use Xcloud. You got a Magnus based system? BC will run natively.
I think it's a really stupid strategy, but if this is MS's path then this is what makes most sense.
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TheRedRiders
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Did MLiD say earlier that PS6 ray tracing performance is faster than 5080?
I guess 5 to 10x is such a wide range that it may be possible? The pro was allegedly 3x and I'm not sure to what extent it could even be realized, with CPU and bandwidth limitations. It makes sense that the next one would be designed with those bottlenecks minimized.
Maybe on paper, but I have concerns as I suspect memory bandwidth will be a bottleneck, especially with the alleged 192 bit bus but I could be wrong, Cerny's always been great at keeping the system balanced.
rm082e
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Yeah, this. It's that they don't have great exclusives that justify buying their console to play. Nintendo does. Sony has in the past, even if it's a tougher sell right now with first party output being a drip.
I was an Xbox fan for years when they were racking up great exclusives. That all basically died with Kinect though. Once I finished Gears 3 and Halo: Reach, I was ready for something new and exciting from Xbox, and I just didn't get it.
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