GymWolf
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Not creepy at all.
Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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I don't think many today understand what a pivotal moment it was when Trump stood up against leftist media and actually fought back. They were absolutely shocked beyond belief that a Republican president didn't bend to their will. No matter what they threw at him it just ran off like from a teflon pan. It was a "the Emperor has no clothes" moment. The leftist media was shown to have no actual power and they were not the arbiters of truth and moral righteousness.
I don't think any "normal" person or candidate could have done what he did or has done. He opened the eyes of the people to what actually was going on in the country. He didn't mince his words behind flowery political language which said one thing, but meant another. This too was something that had frustrated many people with regard to career politicans.
When people now say that he should turn down the temperature in the country they basically say that the right should stop resisting and just take it, as it otherwise angers the left and who knows what they'll do. The people on the left should turn down their temperature first and stop using words like nazi, fascist and racist against anyone who disagrees with them.
And for those who want to say "boohoo, why do you use word like 'they' or 'the left', don't you know everyone isn't like that", to those I say, save your crocodile tears. You know exactly what I mean so stop derailing every conversation with your rhetorical bullshit.
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calico
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I wouldn't make that argument in this case but some might, and they received terrorism enhancements on their J6 sentences iirc. Given the feds were already politically opposed to them and immediately came down on them with full force as soon as they had an opportunity to do so, designating them as terrorists probably would have made little difference. They were conservatively aligned and thus already top priority for the feds.
Topher
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I could have readTopher post out of context for sure. If that's the case, my point stands in its own. It's clearly an attempt to censor ABC and Jimmy. He is quite literally threatening them for airing the show
I was talking about the folks claiming that Kimmel being taken off the air was, in fact, censorship already. I've said the FCC shouldn't have made those statements as well and that I think ABC would have won easily if they challenged the FCC in court.
crazepharmacist
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No issue there if that's all that happened but we have the FCC commissioner acting like a mob boss 2 hours before the decision came down. The executives convened an emergency meeting immediately after the podcast episode with Carr aired. To say that his comments didn't affect their decision making process is farcicle.
Sonik
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Good start, then he did the typical snake thing of pretending that Biden wasn't far, far worse regarding censorship, even had the audacity to pretend that what the previous FCC chair was saying about free speech was earnest, the same period when the Biden admin officials were screaming at social media employees to mass censor the population more and more
We have the receipts, Kimmel and his kind are fucking liars or unaware idiots. Of course that isn't an excuse for what the current admin tried to do, which was also pathetic
calico
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Federal agencies are allowed to threaten to enforce their rules if they consider those rules are being flouted.
Worth noting that an apology and ceasing to flout the rules was the first remedy suggested. The active enforcement of the rules was the alternative if that didn't happen. It seems that ultimately threatening to enforce the rules resulted in the 'easy way' being chosen.
I think this is quite different to the years of now confirmed online censorship by the Biden regime, where they had no business interfering with legal speech whatsoever.
Worth noting that an apology and ceasing to flout the rules was the first remedy suggested. The active enforcement of the rules was the alternative if that didn't happen. It seems that ultimately threatening to enforce the rules resulted in the 'easy way' being chosen.
I think this is quite different to the years of now confirmed online censorship by the Biden regime, where they had no business interfering with legal speech whatsoever.
Dr.Morris79
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Even the left-wing media can't hide or even pretend anymore
Critical Hit
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Did I say that his comments didn't affect anything? I said that he had the right to point out the Kimmel's speech. One can only point out the injustice, because the others are also (often) breaking the policies. But those cases were not so significant.
crazepharmacist
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100%. It wasn't censorship. It could have been censorship.
Yeah, ABC probably would have won but after years of being in court and paying millions of dollars in lawyer fees to fight the government.
Not everyone can or wants to fight that fight.
Baemono
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I mean from what I could understand from the situation, the FCC was like "this is outrageous" and then Nextstar and Sinclair were like "yep, this is outrageous [and we really don't want to risk our upcoming merger with FCC approval] so we won't air the show starting tonight" and then Disney was like "wow wow wow calm down. Okay, let's have a seat and discuss the situation". And after a week of back and forth, Disney was like "okay he will address the situation", Nextstar and Sinclair were like "we don't care" and Disney is like "eh, I did my best".
Baemono
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Didn't Carlson got fired over very antisemectic comments ? (And didn't he suggested similar comments during the Kirk funeral even ?).
I mean if you're too extreme even for Fox News, that says a lot.
calico
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I don't think it's a given they would win if they fought it. The FCC has several rules which are clear first amendment violations if not for the context of them applying to the use of the public's limited airwaves, rather to the speech itself. The Fairness Doctrine was effectively compelled speech, the Equal Time rule is effectively compelled speech.
If they could show the FCC was enforcing its rules selectively based on political preference then maybe, but I don't think the rules themselves or the enforcing of those rules would necessarily be considered unconstitutional.
If the rules themselves are unconstitutional, then I don't think it makes much difference whether they actually enforced them or only threatened to enforce them. It amounts to the same thing.
If they could show the FCC was enforcing its rules selectively based on political preference then maybe, but I don't think the rules themselves or the enforcing of those rules would necessarily be considered unconstitutional.
If the rules themselves are unconstitutional, then I don't think it makes much difference whether they actually enforced them or only threatened to enforce them. It amounts to the same thing.
captainnapalm
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I don't think there's many human beings on the planet who survive everything that happened to Trump. They lied about him relentlessly, tried to put him in prison for life, they probably tried to kill him - and he just kept going. Easily the most maligned person on the planet and he somehow pushes through that and prevails.
violence
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Finally got around to looking up Carr's comments. FCC has rules against news distortion and media hoax's. Over the years they've stepped back from enforcing it. Like immigration law.
I guess you could say this is FCC pressure? The pressure coming from a podcast episode.. not a formal statement.. The guy is talking about enforcing pre-existing rules.
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FullMetalx117
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To be fair, it looks like Trump is threating a lawsuit or some form of criminal investigation of ABC for calling off the suspension. If that is not the government trying to censor someone, I don't know what is. We will see if he follows through, but even the threat should be taken seriously. "We are going to test ABC on this" Highly inappropriate
Funny how he's bragging about grifting $16 million dollars, from a company that is likely owned by most Americans in their portfolio in the most basic of index funds. He's stealing from tax payers. And he wants more. Some are happy to give it to him! A billionaire no less!
Topher
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FullMetalx117
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make sure to hide your children and hide your wife from folk like this
Topher
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make sure to hide your children and hide your wife from folk like this
What point are you trying to make here?
Buggy Loop
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And what kind of hit from the front makes you tilt the head down/forward while also having an exiting wound after the tilt?
Critical Hit
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Buggy Loop
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Hit in the neck.calico is right, imho.
The front neck spot? It happens after a hit that makes him tilt forward.
Angry_Megalodon
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Come on, man. Seriously. This is not Reddit, you can have a civil conversation without saying stuff you don't believe in.
The guy did something EXTREMELY wrong and received a warning for it. End of the story. Trump is an idiot who can't shut his mouth. He has no power over media. He WISHED he had, but he doesn't.
Trump is the president of the United States because he's the only guy crazy enough to oppose the establishment that is sinking the West. In "normal days", when society wasn't insane, men like Trump would not stand a chance. But we are living in mad times and this is the only kind of person with guts to do the job.
FullMetalx117
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hide your children and hide your wife from those folk. what point did you think I was trying to make?
Critical Hit
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Yes, there was only one shot afaik. The video is low framerate, so it's most likely a glitch with overlapping frames.
Why are you talking about leftists here?
I saw videos with people saying "it's a war". I don't think another match was necessary.
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DaciaJC
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Hide your children and hide your wife from lunatics who target conservative leaders for assassination?
Okay, will do, but that's a very weird non-sequitur.
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Topher
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Some weird bogey man reference that attempts to downplay political assassins is my guess. Pretty shallow post
At this point if some said "hey, there's a KKK rally tomorrow!" I'd expect the attendees to be 80% federal agents, 15% undercover local law enforcement, 4% folks who just showed up for beer and pretzels, and 1% actual dyed in the wool Klansmen willing and ready to do violence. That organization seems as dead as it gets, its a Weekend at Bernies propped up dead thing used for political agendas.
DirtInUrEye
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Even the left-wing media can't hide or even pretend anymore
The Atlantic is leftist? I'm on the right myself, but the publication always struck me as being distinctly centrist similar to the UK's Spectator, albeit somewhat less irreverent.
Not the same AT ALL. For starters, there are rules for broadcasters like ABC. Secondly, this was done (mostly) in the open, so we the people could see it happening. The Facebook stuff was all behind the scenes manipulation. Infinitely more shady. Third, no actions were actually taken, so ABC acted voluntarily, and appropriately so as Kimmel was gonna just keep on his tirade and/or affiliates would have pulled the entire channel. The FCC saying "i don't like that" is a veeeeery different thing than actually issuing fines, suspensions, or criminal penalties. The courts exist to determine where the FCC crossed a lone, and ABC could have gone that route if they weren't already mostly in agreement with the FCC. Kimmels draw does not match his mouth, simple as that. If his show was pulling in 15 mill a night, you bet your ass ABC would have kept it going and taken the FCC to court.
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Kacho
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Can't say I'm familiar with them but it seems they are considered left/left-center
- AllSides rates it as "Left," noting its strong alignment with liberal, progressive, or left-wing thought and policy agendas.
- Media Bias/Fact Check rates it as "Left-Center Biased," citing editorial positions that favor the left through moderately loaded wording, while praising its high factual reporting due to strong sourcing and a clean fact-check record.
- Ad Fontes Media rates it as "Skews Left" in bias, with "Generally Reliable/Analysis OR Other Issues" for reliability, based on panels of analysts reviewing its content for language, political positioning, and comparison to other sources.
AJUMP23
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I would say the are pretty left, but this website calls them left center. But most of the Left think they are pretty centrist so it is hard for them to be honest about their own bias.
The Atlantic - Bias and Credibility
LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording
mediabiasfactcheck.com
DirtInUrEye
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I dunno, I'm just thankful I'm not this chronically cynical about breaking news regarding yet more multiple gun killings.
FullMetalx117
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ahh, maybe helpful to look in the mirror from time to time on shallow posts. That post aint any different than 99% of the posts so far. I'm just telling people who to look out for - these crazies are in the same bucket as blue/pink haired people.
DirtInUrEye
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I would say the are pretty left, but this website calls them left center. But most of the Left think they are pretty centrist so it is hard for them to be honest about their own bias.
The Atlantic - Bias and Credibility
LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording
Likely because they endorsed Biden in the last election, which was just a straightforward rejection of Trump's potential re-election at the time, and their natural continuation of their criticism of him as the sitting president. I suppose that currently makes the publication currently more left than right, but there's really fuck all in it beyond anti Trumpism.
Kacho
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No ICE officers were shot
All three victims were detainees
Two detainees died
Fox said the shooter was firing indiscriminately
Fox said the shooter was a white male
SEGAvangelist
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Roseanne Barr is Jewish and is about as far from antisemitic as it gets. She made a comment about someone looking like she was from Planet of the Apes. She was also horrified when she found out that person was black.
Incredible. So this person possibly killed the people he was fighting for?
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Topher
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Thanks for the clarification
Kotaro
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Kacho
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It's very possible. All three detainees have died.
It's easy to assume but we need more information. There's a press conference soon.
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ThaGuy
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So treat groups like that all the same and if they come back then have a terrorist label attached to them. No matter if they're left or right. We do the same to groups like ISIS so why not to every group. Don't pick and choose is what I'm saying.
calico
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I would expect a bullet entering the front of the neck to make head tilt forward initially, and I don't think that is an exit wound.
If that were an exit wound from the trajectory suggested here (from the back and high to low), I would expect the shirt to be spattered with blood ~immediately from the bullet exiting, not just a little spot where the shirt briefly touched the wound.
ResurrectedContrarian
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I feel like we're going to lose our one politics venting thread if we get too far off topic... on the actual case here, is there any new information in past couple of days? I've been very busy, but waiting to hear more about the broader investigation. I hope they release everything they find about the chat logs etc of people Tyler was involved with. It doesn't matter if they explicitly were planning it with him -- even knowing he wanted to do it is damning.
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