Damn it, i was waiting for these to upgrade. There's been some decent deals on the 5080 lately, but the amount of RAM gives me serious pause. I'm upgrading my 3070 because not hitting the VRAM limit is a pain. The last thing i want is to spend a bunch of money on a new card that is going to potentially cause me the same headache. If it just had 18GB....
Report: Nvidia is cancelling RTX 50 Super Series because of AI demand
Omnipunctual Godot
Member
I'm never upgrading, am I?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I'd honestly consider a Linux system using Bazzite or CachyOS with that GPU.
pudel
Gold Member
Wasnt there already some games which required to be raytracing capable (like Doom ie)?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The HDMI 2.1 issues have had me return to Windows every time I have tried. Plus gamepass.
On my fanless Intel miniPC based 16" 'portable' where it should be even more of a no brainer I have never been able to get Moonlight to stream smoothly under Linux unfortunately.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This must be some recent news. It has been penned for q3 for a while.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
yeah, I hear ya. I have living room Windows 11 IoT LTSC PC setup as close to a bazzite like experience with my 5070 Ti, and it's fine. I've gotten used to the bullshit, but I still hate it.
Poppinfresh
Gold Member
The HDMI issue is easy to solve, just get a Displayport to HDMI adapter and use that.
Or use an Nvidia card. They work pretty damn well on Linux these days.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I don't think RT is actually used but FF7 Rebirth requires DirectX 12 Ultimate.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
A DP to HDMI adapter isn't good enough. You lose necessities like VRR and sometimes HDR. I was able to get it to work from time to time, but it never stayed working.
As long as you're not playing DX12 games. nvidia still hasn't gotten the DX to Vulkan translation at anything great.
I wish all developers would exclusively use vulkan and ditch DX12.
Something like a socialist chips manufacturing system, amiright? Next thing you'll tell me, we need to take Nvidia's factories to supply the cards for ourselves
Larxia
Member
Same here. The 5070 Ti super seems like finally a decent option to get more than 16gb of vram (24gb there) without spending the price of a 90 GPU.
I'm still with a GTX 1080, don't know what I will do...
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Draugoth
Gold Member
If AMD comes back to high end GPUs I will switch in a heartbeat.
Sticks
Al Pachinko, Konami President
There will be 5080 competitor next year if rumors are true
Grildon Tundy
Member
My 3080 10GB seemed to hit the VRAM limit at 4K in STALKER 2, Alan Wake, and Indiana Jones. Where it would run ~60fps but then walking into certain areas would lead to massive stutters--down to single FPS in STALKER 2's case.
This info is from AI, so take it with a grain of salt:
In an RTX 5080, the estimated NVIDIA cost of 16GB of VRAM is $40-80. Adding 8GB of VRAM (via 3GB modules instead of 2GB) would cost them an additional $40-80, turning into ~$100-200 additional MSRP. That's WAY lower than I thought. I am once again persuaded to think NVIDIA is intentionally hamstringing their VRAM to pull out as a last resort when they can no longer find performance gains via GPU die/DLSS improvements.
This info is from AI, so take it with a grain of salt:
In an RTX 5080, the estimated NVIDIA cost of 16GB of VRAM is $40-80. Adding 8GB of VRAM (via 3GB modules instead of 2GB) would cost them an additional $40-80, turning into ~$100-200 additional MSRP. That's WAY lower than I thought. I am once again persuaded to think NVIDIA is intentionally hamstringing their VRAM to pull out as a last resort when they can no longer find performance gains via GPU die/DLSS improvements.
Why don't we just start our own country too that does this. We'll call it The Republic of Gamers.
Unknown Soldier
Member
You should call it Outer Heaven
CuteFaceJay
Member
ah yes the AI demand so high that Oracle making a loss......so they invest into nvidia who then vest back into Oracle.....
Draugoth
Gold Member
The problem is that when the bubble bursts everyone who invested on NVDA will lose copious amounts of money and if unlucky enough it might never recover
Compatibility issues, Linux doesnt run games well on Nvidia cards.
This is why we needed High End competition from Intel and AMD
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Poppinfresh
Gold Member
I was parroting this same talking point up until a week ago.
Then I installed CachyOS on a whim.
I have a 5090. I see very little difference between performance on Windows and Linux in every game I've tried.
Granted, if you want to play games that use kernel-level anti-cheat (Battlefield, etc) you won't have a good time on Linux, but for everything else, it's just fine with an Nvidia card.
Cyberpunkd
Member
So you will spend close to a fortune for an fps increase in single digits? Bruh, you are part of the problem. You monitor your gf's orgasm time as much as you do with your pixel counters?
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BlackTron
Member
He's part of the problem because he decided to skip a gen and a half until something with enough RAM to be a legit upgrade comes out for a decent price? If you have a 3070 and you rushed out for a 40 or even 50 series with hardly more RAM, sounds like a bigger problem to me. Or if you just fell for the squeeze of the bad cards and teched directly to 5090
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It doesn't run DX12 games well yet. Vulkan and DX11 (or below) run reasonably well actually. In some cases better on Linux. DX12 games still are about a tier lower, but Vulkan and nvidia are supposedly making progress.
At least according to this:
Hohenheim
Member
If the Super series actually is cancelled and AMD release a upgrade with 5080 performance and a significant VRAM boost next year, i'll probably sell my 5090 and get that new Radeon instead.
I love the 5090, but it's a bit overkill for gaming only. I don't dabble in AI-stuff, so could easily sell it and get another nice card (and a bit of cash).
I love the 5090, but it's a bit overkill for gaming only. I don't dabble in AI-stuff, so could easily sell it and get another nice card (and a bit of cash).
asdasdasdbb
Member
If this is really a problem with the 3 GB chips, AMD's going to have a problem too.
Poppinfresh
Gold Member
I have a 5090 so I'm set.
That being said, I really wish that Nvidia would go to a 3-year release cycle instead of every two years.
Draugoth
Gold Member
Yeah either that or Bazzite. Still it will take some time until I move to Linux.
I'm going to research a little more than that but I'm going to move to Linux eventually anyways
Also I'm assuming Kernel level also includes Denuvo?
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Poppinfresh
Gold Member
I think Denuvo works fine. Pretty sure I've played games that use it without issue.
Hohenheim
Member
I also have a 5090, and would like to have a SteamOS-experience on my desktop, but have avvoided it because of the "Nvidia sucks on Linux"-rapports. I don't play any multiplayer stuff, so this sounds good.
That being said, I have zero issues on Windows 11 after disabling all bloat, background apps/services, game bar, copilot +++ using winUtil.
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Poppinfresh
Gold Member
I didn't have any issues on Windows 11 either but decided to install Cachy on my HTPC (the one with the 5090) because I had heard that the Nvidia experience was much improved.
I wasn't disappointed and decided to keep it.
That said, I do have another m.2 drive in that PC that I could reinstall Windows on, if needed for dual boot.
Pharaoh 117
Member
You got any perceivable increase in game performance after debloating?
Hohenheim
Member
Not a huge difference in fps, but haven't experienced a single micro stutter since I cleaned up the windows install.
kiphalfton
Member
I think there are other reasons, like why release something with more VRAM when the currently gimped cards are still selling like hotcakes. Or more importantly that they know there would be zero performance upgrade.
Poppinfresh
Gold Member
Playing Fromsoft games (Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring, etc...) on Windows, I'd always get random 1 - 5 second game freezes. Never could figure out why.
Those are absolutely gone when I play the games via Linux.
Hohenheim
Member
I used this on Elden Ring:
Didn't have any stutter / freezes.
//DEVIL//
Member
Honestly speaking, That 4090 at 1600 MSRP or 5090 at 2k are probably the best deal for gaming.
Hard to imagine spending that much is a good thing. But at least you would know that you are secured for another 5 years, more so knowing even the PS6 isn't even close to that and that thing is 2 years away.
Even if the PS6 is at 5080 power ( to be seen, I highly doubt it ), the 4090 is still beating it with a decent percentage too.
I am super happy with the 5090 FE., and the fact that, as you said, no games are that demanding anymore. Maybe the Witcher 4 ? GTA 6 ? but those are 2027 releases anyway and I am very positive the 4090 and the 5090 will max these games 4k dlss quality with fps in the 80s range.
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justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
I do feel better for grabbing a 5070 at a discount earlier this year... And it's a 5070...
kiphalfton
Member
Honey Bunny
Member
maybe if hardware stalls they will optimize games again