Apple's September 12 Event | It's almost here.
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Damn, that's awesome.
Can someone help me? I read on here that if you send in your iphone by October 1st, Gazelle will still give you a good price or something? How do I get that October 1st deal? I've never sold my phone to anything other than individual people I know personally so this is brand new to me. I did the price thing on gazelle and they said I'd get 160 for my iphone 4 which I think is a great deal. I just don't want that deal to go away once the new iPhone drops.
Greyface: That blog post doesn't seem like a known security concern to me, just good old fashioned FUD.
Would it be nice if Apple were to open up the protocol - sure. Would they still end up having to pay for the running of the service - probably, will anyone care - probably not, unless they try to make some money back by monetizing it, then they will be once again evil.
Is Apple a money grubbing corporation with plans on market domination at any cost? Yep, but so are all the others
Would it be nice if Apple were to open up the protocol - sure. Would they still end up having to pay for the running of the service - probably, will anyone care - probably not, unless they try to make some money back by monetizing it, then they will be once again evil.
Is Apple a money grubbing corporation with plans on market domination at any cost? Yep, but so are all the others
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
So the "Security Concerns" you've suggested are a singular blog post about somebody complaining that they don't know how it works or whether it's been vetted by professionals?
Oh my, talk about a stretch, I'd say try harder but you might dislocate a limb should you try.
Known security concern:
the expert bends over backwards to show he isn't 'anti-Apple' and is still gets labeled FUD. You just cant question Apple for some fans *shrug*
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Well, I think you've got bigger issues if you fall vulnerable to this "issue", seeing as how the attacker would need to steal your SIM in order for the messages to go "astray", from the linked blog post:
Yeah, not losing any sleep over that...
Slurpy2k20
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Yeah, just as I thought. Read the whole thing, and not a shred of a hint of evidence of 'insecurity' apart from 'I don't know exactly how it works', therefore it might be insecure. Right. If what Apple claims about the protocol is true (and there's no reason to believe they would be blatantly lying), then it's extremely secure. The guy wants specs on the protocol that Apple might be unwilling to divulge for obvious reasons, but that doesn't give the insinuation of insecurity any credibility, nor should it be an "issue" for people using it.
CharminUltra
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Slurpy2k20
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And.. here we go. When you haven't backed up your claim, and get called out for a questionable source that evidences nothing of value, predictably fall back to the tired "oh well, it's Apple fanboys, can't question their God I guess" bullshit meme. Well done.
People are giving rational responses to your claim and the article. Grow up and accept that, instead of being intellectually lazy and going the "fanbois" route. You claimed security concerns with iMessage. The article you linked to showed nothing of the sort. It's a conclusion any rational person would make while reading it, not "Apple fans" and the same conclusion would be made if the accusation was against any other service/company with that 'evidence' provided.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I'd give him extra time to respond if I was you, he's obviously frantically googling like mad for more ammunition, that takes time
You don't need to be anti-Apple to spread FUD. Your accusation of fanboyism for the poster's use of the word 'FUD' is a presumptuous cheap shot.
Why so defensive;
Who as you should lose sleep over it? I said a security concern not a security acopalyse. From the same article you quote:
Lol why would I be googling for more "ammunition" when my original claim was that Alppleusers arent talking about it.I'd give him extra time to respond if I was you, he's obviously frantically googling like mad for more ammunition, that takes time
Slurpy2k20
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The worst thing is that he originally used iMessage as justification that Apple users 'don't like to talk about that stuff', ie. like to ignore reality and live in an imaginary bubble. When asked to back up that "stuff" he fails, and of course instead of reasessing his original claim, his conclusion is 'oh well, I guess you just can't question apple fans', implying irrationality, because his FUD didn't work. What a good little troll, plays it by the book.
EDIT: What part of your repeated line of 'Apple users are not talking about it', because "it" is actually "nothing" don't you understand? Also, I don't see how the heck a stolen device still getting iMessages is a "risk that needs to be addressed"- you do realize that this device will also get phone calls, text messages, emails, and a billion other things the user is signed into on that device, right? Like facebook? Twitter? And you do realize that iDevices have more security measures than most other devices in this regard, as you can remote wipe/remote lock a stolen device if it has an internet connection? And if it DOESNT have a connection, it wouldnt be able to receive iMessages anyway? Again, receiving iMessages is the least of one's concern with a stolen device and certainly doesn't qualify as a 'risk that needs to be addressed'.
Nicktendo86
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Man no matter how wrong he may be you need to chill, you're going to do yourself an injury.
Thats my original post. The links ive quoted show that there have questions about the security and requests for Apple to demonstrate the safety.
Should I post a link to a reading comprehension site too?
CharminUltra
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Ok, now THIS is awesome.Two days to go…
It'll take a (probably) bigger dive right after the keynote (regardless of what they show), then takes it a while to go back up.
Canis lupus
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That Apple building looks gorgeous.
I think my plan for the iPhone may not work out as I'd planned due to the nano-sim. I wanted to just get the phone direct from Apple and then get a sim-only contract (UK) for either 12 months or month-to-month, so I'm not tied into a contract for 2 years. The monthly costs should also be cheaper (although the phone is obviously more expensive up front).
The main problem is right now I don't know which carriers, if any, will be doing sim-only nano-sim deals on release day - there's plenty of micro-sim details, but those are potentially useless if it does use a smaller sim card.
Not sure what to do now.
The main problem is right now I don't know which carriers, if any, will be doing sim-only nano-sim deals on release day - there's plenty of micro-sim details, but those are potentially useless if it does use a smaller sim card.
Not sure what to do now.
It's possible to cut the sim yourself as a last resort. Im sure there will be guides posted online
Just wait until you know what you need to know, and make an informed choice based on that.
The nano-SIM has thrown a spanner in my works as well. Was going to upgrade via getting a new phone for my wife.
Thanks, I think I'll wait for a week or two and hope some carriers announce nano-sim deals quickly. I'll keep an eye out for homemade nano-sim guides though, if it's ridiculously easy to do then I may be tempted. Just hope it's not too long until the carriers get sorted, if it's more than a few months I'll start feeling like I should wait for the iPhone 6 or whatever it'll be called.Just wait until you know what you need to know, and make an informed choice based on that.
The nano-SIM has thrown a spanner in my works as well. Was going to upgrade via getting a new phone for my wife.
I didn't know this, thanks for the tip. Good that there's at least some options on day one.
Slurpy2k20
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Just like there's 'questions about Obama's birthplace' and requests for him to prove where he was born. As well as prove that he's not a socialist or a communist. Alot of questions there.
Same shit. If there's no substance behind those questions, it's called FUD, and one would wonder why you would bring it up in the first place. Just admit you're wrong and close the topic, instead of continually moving the goalposts and pretending the original issue wasn't agenda driven from your end.
Squirrel Killer
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Apple's a Muslin!?!?
Lol comparing me or the cryptography researcher to a birther. Obama showed his evidence on request years ago and birthers chose to ignore it, claiming he faked it etc. Apple has shown nothing. The cryptography guy bends over backwards to explain why he is asking questions of Apple's security claims. It's wrong to ask questions now?
Would you ask david blaine to explain his levitation trick?
If I were a fellow magician, why not?
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
The FOSS world is built around this very idea. (not that I agree or disagree with grey in this whole argument.)
Slurpy2k20
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Yeah that's it, it's "wrong to ask questions"
No, what's wrong is specifically stating that something that is used by hundreds of millions of people has 'security issues' in order to attack a platform, then linking to a blog post by some random guy as evidence. When that evidence turns out to be non-evidence, then blaming the "fanboys". That's wrong. If there WAS indeed security concerns, don't you think major tech blogs/websites would be talking about it, apart from a random blog? Afterall, any article that combines Apple and some "flaw/scandal/issue/" is guaranteed a shitload of clicks. And yes, I was comparing the premise using that analogy. It doesnt matter that he showd te certificate, what matters is that the original "questions" were based on nothing but hate. Birthism isn't the issue, it's the issue of using 'questions' with no substance as the basis for an argument or opposing viewpoint. It's always wrong, and morally questionable, no matter what the topic is.
I have to think the Alliance is going to frown on that.
Deadly Cyclone
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This thread is always hilarious the days leading up to the event.
I just need the phone to come out.
I just need the phone to come out.
Lol, I havent moved any goalposts. My original comment was that there have been questions asked and that's clearly true. It ws brought up because numble was discussing third party messaging servers. Not sure how that means I have an agenda.
TheVerge was the site who said Apple should address the risk...
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Why not leave him be if he's happy with it?
How else am I going to play with an iPhone 5?
I'm assuming there's also going to be a price drop for the 4S. It's probably easier to exchange for a phone with the same price then trying to get the $50-100 refund.
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