Final Fantasy XIV |OT2| ARR: Phase 4 August.
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This is a fear I have as well. I just don't understand why it is necessary to become a "WOW-clone" at all.
Personally, I quit WOW and started playing FFXIV because I wanted something different. Likewise, people interested in playing WOW are already playing WOW. They aren't about to abandon their friends and characters they've played with for 9+ years to play a game exactly like it.
Granted, WOW has been bleeding subs so there are probably a ton of MMO fans looking for something else to play. However, I doubt that someone who quit WOW because he was sick of the formula is interested in playing a clone.
HappyBivouac
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Feedback did a lot of good the last time they had a beta.. I know it's Yoshida but you can't blame me for being skeptical.
The comment that scared me was the "It's not as open as 1.0" stuff. I'm afraid that the very same people who wanted 2.0 are now going to be complaining about everything that's been changed just because it's not like before, and that those people will be listened to.
Yes.
theSlacker
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That one is an action mmo and the other is a target based mmo isn't what I was claiming to be non comparable. That is a separate point. Is is that the skills and animations in one (tera) were balanced with risk reward tied to how long they were and what they did, while in FFXIV, they are not.
It is a design difference with style in mind, as you touched on with the part of your post I didn't quote. The flashy animations are how this game (and ff11) rewarded high levels, and one of the few things that separates how a class feels in the game. They are unlikely to be removed (and in the case of the one I mentioned in the previous post, chaos thrust, was even made to look more flashy since it didn't "fit" the look of a top skill), and it is doubtful that the system will be balanced around the length of them. So we are left with either disregarding balance and game play issues to make the game look nicer, or having to deal with seeing people slide across the ground while using a skill from time to time. I've made it clear why I go with the latter. It isn't only that game play always trumps visuals (it normally does, same reason why I can deal with the sliding animation at the start and stopping of running), but also because skill lock for the most part effects melee more then range. Guess we can also hope that they add more independent animations to the lower half of the body, but that brings in a whole other level of weird looking animation flaws.
I would say that most of the people that got in, and are giving feed back, are legacy players. That should tell you right there. People that were willing to stick with and pay for a game so broken that it needed a complete rework.
I would rather the game keep the same world feel and importance to the story that XI did, but I can only hope that it gains at least some sort of comparable uniqueness to each of the classes play style that WoW's combat had. To take an analogy from someone else, every class in FFXIV feels like they are all part of the same class on wow, but different talent specs. As in they all play the same way, using the same mechanics with nothing to make them feel unique other then how the skills look. Of course it is a little early to proclaim something like that about the final product.
As an unrelated side note, anyone find it odd that the Dragoon AF armor looks more like it should be a Dark Knight armor, but with purple tint?
NinjaJesus
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theSlacker
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Could just be me. The overall look of the helm looks more like DRK gear, along with all the spikes and stuff on the armor itself. Kain's stuff looked more flat and pointed, while Cecil's DRK gear had the rounded helm. Same with the FFT job art.
Anyway, next beta test schedule is up, prepare to lose your weekend.
Munba
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New date for the test announced. And new servers ahoy (ultros!).
http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Te...e-1-Schedule-(02-27-2013)?p=152212#post152212
http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Te...e-1-Schedule-(02-27-2013)?p=152212#post152212
Munba
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theSlacker
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Not for me..it begins at 3am here. Only one entire day.
/cry
Disregard sleep. Receive playtime.
Not for me
/cry
Oh crap, its pm. Not that long on my end either since i've got to work Saturday.
9pm Saturday for me -> 3am Monday.
Check your email again. There should be a really short url. Click that and head to the beta forums, then download from there.
I don't think these games fail because they copy wow, more that they launch with no content, the reason to this day WoW is still holding strong is because there is so much content being added, 1.0 was like this in a sense.
From what we know ARR will be getting a major patch every 2.5 months so hopefully the game will have enough content for the first 2.5 months to keep everyone entertained.
Personally I don't care if they copy current gen MMO's but looking at 1.0 they had a lot of interesting content and story choices something that you don't get in a WoW clone, plus the JP art style and amazing Final Fantasy armour, I think Yoshi and his team are very creative, just look at the chocobo friend system for example.
Yes and No, I find most people on those forums are kind of like babies spitting their dummies out, they don't give any constructive feedback and the threads quickly devolve into a trollfest, I agree we should definitely be voicing out opinions though.
Yup its pretty much this, kind of like making food for a child and them throwing it in your face, I do think Yoshida is smart enough not to listen to these trolls though, he has a clear vision even if it may not look that way at times.
Also looks like they have added a queuing feature to the next test
Not for me
/cry
Yea *sour-puss face*
Have a Nice Day
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anyone think it's a good idea to pick the 2010 version and play it before this comes out?
Xux
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The servers were shut down at the end of last year. So just wait 'til the open beta starts. We don't know when that'll be, though.
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theSlacker
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People asked the dev about that and he said it was just added for flavor basically.
Pai Pai Master
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When's the next test session? Can't log into the forums from work.
March 2, 2013 (Saturday), 7:00 p.m. to March 4, 2013 (Monday), 1:00 a.m. (PST)
March 3, 2013 (Sunday), 3:00 a.m. to March 4, 2013 (Monday), 9:00 a.m. (GMT)
Robobandit
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theSlacker
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Looks like an all-nighter for me
Well it is going to be up for like 30 hours this time, so take a nap at the start or middle for maximum play time.
we.are.the.armada
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Teknoman, I have questions about tanking, could you help me out?
- How great was the disparity in HP between races in 1.0 at end-game?
- Do you think that there will be a disparity in ARR?
- Do Taru have a smaller hit box than larger races?
theSlacker
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Still phase 1. No we can not play right now. No I am not a legacy member.
Looks like an all-nighter for me
Id like to make it an all nighter but then my Sunday sleep schedule will be screwed up and I have work on Monday sooooo....no can do
Ill probably stay on until 2am or so assuming I can get on Saturday night at all. If not, then Ill just devote all of Sunday to playing.
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Yes, a "new things" thread, basically. Check the Beta Test Content section.
I tanked a good bit in 1.x (Danrus hard mode, garuda, etc.) as Paladin.
1) There wasn't one.
2) Yes, but I think it will be insignificant next to the power of
the force
3) Nope, this isn't TERA.
theSlacker
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Thank goodness. Not that it isn't tera, but that they don't use that system.
Glorious Ownage
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There are racial differences now.
Dead Prince
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glad they are doing the weekend for this one. got a busy schedule most of the days except sat and sun.
we.are.the.armada
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Thank god. My issue back in FFXI was my HP at endgame. I had to wear so much HP+ shit and go DRK/MNK for some KC spams. It was like a Napoleon complex for Tarus.
we.are.the.armada
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Yeah pretty much what omlet said. Also alot of time in the higher level fights, positioning played a factor, keeping an enemy facing a certain way, so a cone or straight circle aoe attack would cause minimal damage.
I'm sure the race differences when implemented will most likely only factor in the early levels.
That being said, I wonder how patron gods work this time? I always pick Oschon, so I think I had a little higher wind resist?
EDIT: I think its a good thing that they closed the feedback forums until the next test starts (we're still in phase 1, its just the next test within the phase) so they can comb through the forums for actual constructive criticism/improvements/additions.
Feedback submission is down so I'm putting this here as a memo for myself to submit a piece on the lack of nature. Need some birds, bees etc flying around like FFXI had.
List of small living things FFXI had that helped the world experience:
Butterflies
Grasshoppers
Bees
Owls
Birds
Frogs?
Am I missing some?
I actually missed a lot of these until I watched some scenery videos years after quitting. I imagine they'll put them in for the sake of keeping it in line with previous accomplishments.
List of small living things FFXI had that helped the world experience:
Butterflies
Grasshoppers
Bees
Owls
Birds
Frogs?
Am I missing some?
I actually missed a lot of these until I watched some scenery videos years after quitting. I imagine they'll put them in for the sake of keeping it in line with previous accomplishments.
Munba
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That is the same feedback i was going to post lol. I want to see jumping crickets too, like those in Konshtat. Bevies in the sky and so on.
This (famous) scenery video is the pure example of what i want 'to live' in Eorzea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesY1XssACM
There were also mushrooms did grow up after a rainy day... priceless.
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