PS4 Has Fifty Percent Lead Over Microsoft's Xbox One, Says Strategy Analytics Survey
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Sho_Nuff82
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Drop the price, morons. It's the only major hurdle you have left for erasing this awful summer of terrible decisions before it actually affects your bottom line.
SwiftDeath
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Yep most people always considered the PS Move to be the most accurate tracking solution out of the big 3
And they were fairly successful in showcasing its use in AAA games (killzone, racing etc.)
Portugeezer
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50% more power too.
Purchase intention. It's in the study title.
Audible Phonetics
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We should hope the race is a bit closer. We've already seen what Sony becomes when they are arrogant.
SwiftDeath
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To be fair I think it's more like what Sony becomes a generation after they become arrogant
I was pretty happy with my PS2 regardless of their enormous marketshare
Darklor01
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There are many senior age Wii gamers in addition to some that play other consoles. The Wii was HUGE in senior homes, and senior centers... Etc.
The PS2 was pretty great, brah.
Scratch that, all three playstations have been great for me.
DeviantBoi
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Gaming Nostalgia
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Speculations is just that. Come November we will get hard facts. I expect PS4:XBone to be pretty much 1:1 in the US, 2:1 in Europe and 10:1 on Asia.
The same could've been said with Playstation after PS2, but Microsoft managed to grab it and run off with it with ease. It can happen quite easily if the other side messes up, and after E3 is looking very likely too.
I'm fairly confident Sony will lead, almost by default if production rumors are true. The question is by how much, and for how long? If they can get the ball rolling REALLY well I can see a snowball effect where it becomes harder and harder for Microsoft to actually have a chance at a lead, especially since I can't see a repeat of the Wii happening.
Woo-Fu
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As opposed to seeing Microsoft start out arrogant and just become more arrogant? People should stop anthropomorphizing giant corporations.
I expect PS4 to beat Xbox One everywhere it releases for ~$100 less while being the more powerful piece of hardware.
Chittagong
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Xbox 360 was "Xbox 1.5"
Xbox One sells 50% less than PS4
"Xbox 1.5" - 50% = Xbox 1.0 = Xbox One
It all makes sense now
Xbox One sells 50% less than PS4
"Xbox 1.5" - 50% = Xbox 1.0 = Xbox One
It all makes sense now
This is based on 6000 people polled. That's not speculation, really. It's market analysis.
Manmademan
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yep. ps3 is better than ps2, unless you're a jrpg fan.
la flama blanca
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too bad there's overwhelming evidence this time around
Gaming Nostalgia
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Talk is cheap. Its just a poll and requires no commitment by the consumer. Look at how many people were going to buy a Vita over a 3ds on Gaf when they announced the price.
not really possible... Xb1 is launching in limited markets in Europe, and not launching in Asia at all this year.
The PS2's enormous lead over the competition had its benefits.
For one, compatibility. Back then, if your friends played console games, they probably had a PS2, and if you met a new person who played games, you could be reasonably sure they had one too. PS3 gamers this generation didn't have that luxury for a long time.
For one, compatibility. Back then, if your friends played console games, they probably had a PS2, and if you met a new person who played games, you could be reasonably sure they had one too. PS3 gamers this generation didn't have that luxury for a long time.
Gaming Nostalgia
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It was meant to be more of a lifetime sales prediction.
I hope you
The Crimson Kid
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This result isn't surprising in the slightest. Exclusive games are effectively a draw at this point, but the cheaper price and more consistent messaging from Sony will make a huge difference everywhere.
Microsoft royally botched the rollout of their console by making the most interesting thing about it the DRM/used games restrictions (an issue that went viral in a big way and penetrated mainstream consciousness to a small extent) and they have done an incredibly poor job at explaining their exclusive features and benefits of their platform.
The tight competition between the two will be in the USA, where the Xbox still has a huge amount of brand loyalty. If MS pulls off the NFL subscription and the sports integration well enough, that could be a huge draw for millions of people in the USA.
The only other 360 strongholds were the UK and Australia, but both of those territories are getting screwed by exchange rates, making the XB1 cost more than the PS3 did at launch, which is going to hurt quite a bit.
As for the rest of the world, the XB1 has less of a chance of success than the 360 did. Not only will many of the dashboard apps and services not be available in Europe, Japan, and other emerging markets, they are offering less exclusive titles that traditionally appeal to those markets. And the console is still more expensive than the PS4.
However, the biggest negative for those markets is the Kinect requirement. For as big of a splash the NSA revelations have made in the USA, the waves made among the general populace have been much bigger in other countries because they are being spied upon rather than doing the spying. Leaving aside the significant legal challenges that will be levied against Microsoft for this decision, extremely few people in these countries that are being spied upon will willingly buy an entertainment device from an American PRISM-affiliated company that requires a front-facing camera and microphone array to be connected at all times.
Nothing has changed for Gold besides the removal of the cap on friend list size and cloud storage. Apps, F2P games, and online MP are all behind the Gold paywall and advertisements (*ahem*, "recommendations") still litter the dashboard.
If MS decides to pull yet another 180, they'll be sure to let us know.
First impressions are pretty tough to turn around. The DRM/used game restriction news was the defining issue about the XB1 for weeks after the reveal across most of the people who knew about the XB1. The DRM news and discussions went viral on sites like Facebook and Reddit in a way that nothing else from the XB1 reveal did.
The DRM/anti used games stance made a MUCH broader impact than just among the hardcore gaming community, and it will still hold sway in purchasing decisions for quite a while after the XB1 launches.
They do a bunch of consumer surveys and focus tests on this stuff too. No company makes big decisions on a multi-billion dollar investment (like the DRM reversal) without getting as much data from as many different angles as possible to put together as accurate of a cost-benefit analysis as they could.
Seriously!
The sad thing is, unlike many other important subjects such as budgeting, civics, macroeconomics, and comprehensive sex ed, statistics is pretty well-covered in every American public school. Shit, we spent WEEKS working with and understanding margin of error. It is mind-boggling that so many people fail to grasp the subject.
Microsoft royally botched the rollout of their console by making the most interesting thing about it the DRM/used games restrictions (an issue that went viral in a big way and penetrated mainstream consciousness to a small extent) and they have done an incredibly poor job at explaining their exclusive features and benefits of their platform.
The tight competition between the two will be in the USA, where the Xbox still has a huge amount of brand loyalty. If MS pulls off the NFL subscription and the sports integration well enough, that could be a huge draw for millions of people in the USA.
The only other 360 strongholds were the UK and Australia, but both of those territories are getting screwed by exchange rates, making the XB1 cost more than the PS3 did at launch, which is going to hurt quite a bit.
As for the rest of the world, the XB1 has less of a chance of success than the 360 did. Not only will many of the dashboard apps and services not be available in Europe, Japan, and other emerging markets, they are offering less exclusive titles that traditionally appeal to those markets. And the console is still more expensive than the PS4.
However, the biggest negative for those markets is the Kinect requirement. For as big of a splash the NSA revelations have made in the USA, the waves made among the general populace have been much bigger in other countries because they are being spied upon rather than doing the spying. Leaving aside the significant legal challenges that will be levied against Microsoft for this decision, extremely few people in these countries that are being spied upon will willingly buy an entertainment device from an American PRISM-affiliated company that requires a front-facing camera and microphone array to be connected at all times.
Nothing has changed for Gold besides the removal of the cap on friend list size and cloud storage. Apps, F2P games, and online MP are all behind the Gold paywall and advertisements (*ahem*, "recommendations") still litter the dashboard.
If MS decides to pull yet another 180, they'll be sure to let us know.
First impressions are pretty tough to turn around. The DRM/used game restriction news was the defining issue about the XB1 for weeks after the reveal across most of the people who knew about the XB1. The DRM news and discussions went viral on sites like Facebook and Reddit in a way that nothing else from the XB1 reveal did.
The DRM/anti used games stance made a MUCH broader impact than just among the hardcore gaming community, and it will still hold sway in purchasing decisions for quite a while after the XB1 launches.
They do a bunch of consumer surveys and focus tests on this stuff too. No company makes big decisions on a multi-billion dollar investment (like the DRM reversal) without getting as much data from as many different angles as possible to put together as accurate of a cost-benefit analysis as they could.
People will never understand how statistics work
Seriously!
The sad thing is, unlike many other important subjects such as budgeting, civics, macroeconomics, and comprehensive sex ed, statistics is pretty well-covered in every American public school. Shit, we spent WEEKS working with and understanding margin of error. It is mind-boggling that so many people fail to grasp the subject.
You have no idea how these surveys are done, I assume.
Comparing a quick GAF-poll to a profesionally done survey with 6000 participants is silly.
Not a formal survey, and a key factor changed between announcement and Vita launch with the huge price slash on the 3DS. I don't see this happening again, at least not in the same way (PS4 will be out shortly after or before, XB1 is in no position to cut pricing.)
GAF is not a representative weighed sample.
BocoDragon
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I'm beginning to feel that Xbone's messaging failure is having far, far more of a real world negative impact than launch-era PS3 messaging failure.
I could see a lot of preorders for the ps4 giving them an early lead, but MS pretty much erased the hurdles when they announced used games and DRM won't continue.
When the consoles launch I expect sales to equalize pretty much, I still say NA will go XbOne and EU/JP will be PS4.
When the consoles launch I expect sales to equalize pretty much, I still say NA will go XbOne and EU/JP will be PS4.
Eh? The biggest hurdle still standing is Benjamin Franklin.
Saint Francis
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All good points, I agree about worldwide Sony advantage right now.
However I have a feeling that the same marketing spend that got an ultimately mediocre product like the first Kinect into 24 million homes will really help MS this fall.
(looking back, seems like Kinect one was almost a trial balloon/beta test)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/18/microsoft-to-spend-one-billion-dollars-advertising-kinect-and-wi/
Did everyone go out and buy 24 million kinects because of its quality, merits and innovation?
I can think of Five Hundred Million other reasons.
Sony is executing their roll out strategy really, really well, but they will have to be very creative with their marketing $, because MS always has half a billion dollahs in their couch cracks to peddle their wares.
I hope Sony has an innovative advertising strategy this fall. They ads can really kick ass sometimes.
bigboss370
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i'm not surprised. i think word-wide the Playstation brand name is stronger. PS3 launched at a much higher price at a much later date than 360, and somehow has managed to overtake it in sales.
No, it hasn't. PS3 is still behind. Please link to the figures that aren't guesses by IDC.
The pic in this thread:
Is from those same guessers.
Vol5
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24 million kinect sales where the majority were SKU based? Not sure about figures for standalone sales...assuming they were pretty weak.
I don't believe that price is a the huge difference between them. Sure it sounds like $100 and it's a lot of money, but you have to factor in that you get the Kinect which a lot of people want (I don't) whereas Sony pseye is additional.
A lot of people had pegged $399-$499 as the prices from the start. And it's not like it's $599 or more. I think more people want Sony for the power and the fact it didn't have those policies than the lower price no? Even if it was $499 as well, a lot of people would still go ps4.
My issue isn't even with the tech when discussing this subject of success. To me, Kinect 2.0 is to Kinect as Motion+ was to wiimote, in terms of how the public is going to receive it. As we saw with Motion+, it was used for a few titles and then fairly quickly forgotten about.
People know the general idea of what Kinect tech can offer for games; simply offering a more refined version of the same things Kinect was offering before is not going to surprise consumers out of complacency or cause, for example, a Wii-like fervor. If you can say "the system can detect your heartbeat" in ads you might pick up a few new people, but the core of Kinect tech is controller-free gaming, and that remains the same for Kinect 2.0. People are familiar with it and that craze already died out from the levels it was. They're not going to be able to replicate that craze on Xbox One, and to be honest I'm a little surprised they were convinced they could (even if they launched at $399.99).
Source?
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Man, the defense force on the first page alone is incredible. PS4 is Rick Perry? Analysts predicted the PS3 would beat the Wii? Well screw this story then!
I see no reason to believe the PS4 won't outsell the XB1 by a large margin. Now, let's say the XB1 gains a 10 million advantage in NA (despite a higher price and poorer brand image from the DRM debacle). Sony will easily make up that difference in Japan alone lifetime. Then count in the massive disparity in EU and I would say Sony has already got this generation wrapped up. So enjoy your false equivalencies, Sony is going strong.
I see no reason to believe the PS4 won't outsell the XB1 by a large margin. Now, let's say the XB1 gains a 10 million advantage in NA (despite a higher price and poorer brand image from the DRM debacle). Sony will easily make up that difference in Japan alone lifetime. Then count in the massive disparity in EU and I would say Sony has already got this generation wrapped up. So enjoy your false equivalencies, Sony is going strong.
Latvian Hitman
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4 months to go, assuming a late November launch.
That marketing campaign will have little impact on 2013 sales, which are mostly already accounted for, but could have an impact on 1Q 2014. Either way, I expect the XB1 to struggle after the launch window at its current price.
SuperEpicGuy
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Only? Well I suppose it would have been at least 150% if xbone didn't take away the drm.
Bluekaveli
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Have I informed you all about the war?
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