spatenfloot
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I think you can safely exclude the Wii sales from the current potential sales base. Call it about 160 million.
Xbox One sells one million+ (sell through to consumers) in all territories worldwide
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Chobel
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Let's say it like this, Most of people who are arguing with you believe that number from MS is not real unit "sold through", it's the number of units that should be "sold through". As if MS is misleading with that number.
PS: I don't know believe this, But it's MS so everything is possible.
Again you're assuming that that 1 million number don't include the people who didn't purchase Xbox after announcing that number, which why I said it's speculation. We don't know what that number means.
GoofsterStud
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No idea, I think the US will have more available units at launch because they were trying to gain market share in there weakest region.
Though if they have the supply I believe Europe has overtaken US in Sony console sales.
So I'm guessing that at best 1 million, but if they really front loaded their supply to the US it might be less. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 500K.
JohnnySasaki86
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November NPD on GAF is gonna be fun.
Alpolio
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He photoshoped it. The PS4 is the one at 218. Here's the link and untouched PNG.Well, he's still technically correct. There's 10,000.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=10&_nkw=xbox+one&_dcat=139971&rt=nc
Cert.in.Death
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How many PS4s will Sony sell at Europe launch?
And who the hell cares anyway? Buy games, not systems.
And who the hell cares anyway? Buy games, not systems.
I never said that is about what MS is saying -- I'm responding to people making conclusions about full day one Xbox One sales in North America.
This thread was created at 4:55 PM PST. I'm pretty positive that a decent number in NA bought an Xbox One after that period today.
All I'm saying is that wouldn't it be better to wait for a full breakdown of sales in each territory before making conclusions about day one NA sales?; especially since the news was created a decent number of hours before the the first full day of the Xbox One's life in North America?
so the closing of bad game studios will lead to complete world financial ruin?
He photoshoped it. The PS4 is the one at 218. Here's the link and untouched PNG.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=10&_nkw=xbox+one&_dcat=139971&rt=nc
Nice GTA listing =D
iamshadowlark
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Yeah, MS knows how much stock they have, they even claimed it was sold out. If MS had ANY reason to hold out a couple hours to embellish their PR, then surely they wouldve took it. I wouldn't expect an significant number of XB1's sold after this PR was released.
Dude, MS is assuming near full sell through of stock in NA. It is impossible to get exact numbers in such a short time span. Stop being so obtuse on the topic.
Dragonborn
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Yes, because MS knows how much they're selling. If they thought they could get anywhere near the Ps4's million, or above it, they would have waited, wouldn't they? This number is probably based on their shipment, pre-order, and Retailer info. In fact, at this point it'd be more likely that they sold less than they announced if their assumed numbers aren't as big as they predicted (and that, too, is ridiculous to think). They wouldn't announce it otherwise, and there's no point in denying the facts, the PS4 launch was absolutely huge and while the X1 launch would be good any other day, it just doesn't compare.
More than 1 million in less than 24 hours.
Total day 1 launch sales will probably be 'more than 1 million' + more. Though probably not by much given supply issues.
Wickerbasket
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It's not photoshopped.
You just get different results depending on whether you search for "xbox one" or "playstation 4", unsurprisingly.
Randolph Freelander
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Translate this to english?
What I said is this: they know their exact North American sales. They know how many of them were shipped across the Pacific on barges, they knew the numbers weeks ago.
Or put another way. If North American sales don't match shipments exactly, they don't have a launch day sellout. So which do you prefer? Them knowing their North American sales already, or them not having a sellout?
I'm trying to make this easy for you. Microsoft is reporting their numbers based on assuming a sellout. They expect every last console they ship to be sold, and they expect that to remain true for the remainder of the year. It won't be much longer before they can tell you their year-end sell-through, because they'll know how many are crossing the ocean in time to sell by EOY.
MS know how many consoles they have manufactured and according to them its close to sold out, which means they know exactly how many they have sold. How can they sell more later when they are pretty much sold out?
FairXchange
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I think you have too much faith in the integrity of the method MS is using to measure sales.
They aren't counting individual scans at the register for Xbox in this announcement. Hell, it's safe to assume every single Xbox they sent to North America will be sold by close at retail today, and if not tomorrow morning. So they wouldn't even be dishonest in announcing they sold through 1 million units, it's just simply the figure they had in the supply chain for their launch.
It was their choice to announce at 4pm that they sold 1 million WW, hence my argument that they won't update this figure. This is the sales figure they are moving forward with for their global launch.
No where in their press release do they mention that these sales figures are from a short day, they read as though the day is over and done with. Which is why I think you need to take the numbers at face value.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Both Sony and Microsoft are printing money. Good for them. Nintendo's handheld is owning for now.
JohnnySasaki86
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We should get that title edited if it is indeed just confirmed to be 1million, not 1million+.
Randolph Freelander
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Let enough dominoes fall and...
But no. I'm not speaking of the economy as a whole. But contracting industries are certainly painful enough for that industry and those that make their livelihoods in it.
Seems like an assumption. There are other ways of tracking sales.
FairXchange
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It also seems like an assumption based on reason and logic, given the time of day the sales announcement came out.
So each and every Xbox One console in North America that wasn't a pre-order got sold out before 5:00 PM PST?
Chobel
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At least quote/read all that comment.
Randolph Freelander
Member
As far as they're concerned, yes. As said, anything less than that is not a sellout. So again, which would you prefer? Them not knowing, or demand not being enough to sell the system out on day one. I'm assuming a sellout, and so is Microsoft. And they're reporting it early (shocker of shockers).
Good grief. I have to assume you are just trolling us at this point.
According to MS press release, yes.
Nightengale
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Sigh.
PR companies don't make stupid mistakes like announcing 1 million when waiting another 6 hours would had allowed them a greater PR victory of 1.5 million.
From a marketing perspective, it's fairly easy to extrapolate the assumptions behind the 1 million announcement even though it's not a full 24 hours in every launch market.
When PR companies announce things in the millions, the subsequent metrics that matter are in the hundred thousands. My company, if we sold something in the millions, will only put PR value at 0.2 -> 0.5 -> 0.8 subsequently. Different companies do these differently, but rationally it's around the same ballpark, as PR is about targeting peak values.
If I were to guess, MS does not have more than 200k 'walk-in stock' for its launch. That, or they've extrapolated enough from what was sold for non-preorder quantities that the remaining potential sales are below 200k units.
If you don't physically have the quantities to push your PR messaging to 1.2 million, then there's really no point to hold back. Announcing 1 million+ is already the best message you can deliver at that point.
PR companies don't make stupid mistakes like announcing 1 million when waiting another 6 hours would had allowed them a greater PR victory of 1.5 million.
From a marketing perspective, it's fairly easy to extrapolate the assumptions behind the 1 million announcement even though it's not a full 24 hours in every launch market.
When PR companies announce things in the millions, the subsequent metrics that matter are in the hundred thousands. My company, if we sold something in the millions, will only put PR value at 0.2 -> 0.5 -> 0.8 subsequently. Different companies do these differently, but rationally it's around the same ballpark, as PR is about targeting peak values.
If I were to guess, MS does not have more than 200k 'walk-in stock' for its launch. That, or they've extrapolated enough from what was sold for non-preorder quantities that the remaining potential sales are below 200k units.
If you don't physically have the quantities to push your PR messaging to 1.2 million, then there's really no point to hold back. Announcing 1 million+ is already the best message you can deliver at that point.
iamshadowlark
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He seems to have a pretty pony in this race. He'll be damned if he's gonna let GaF think that MS' sales aren't somehow better than what they indicate they are.
spatenfloot
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The problem is that the WW numbers included much of NA sales. So if they release NA numbers now, people will incorrectly try to add them together. In fact, I expect this to happen.
Warm Machine
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Both are likely going to sell everything they can manufacture this season. To that end sales numbers are irrelevant as they won't be based on consumer demand but based on manufacturing capability.
Right now if I were Sony Id probably start stuffing the NA territory more so than typically popular channels to gain a larger foothold.
Right now if I were Sony Id probably start stuffing the NA territory more so than typically popular channels to gain a larger foothold.
That Wont Fit In There
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That's great to hear. Can't wait to see the end of year sales for both since ps4 still has more countries to launch in this year.
badcrumble
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A lot of the conversation in this thread needs to get answered with 'just wait for NPD, please.'
Congrats to MS on a successful debut, though.
Congrats to MS on a successful debut, though.
Septimus Prime
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Pretty sure someone on GAF made this, so:
Then why not make this news even earlier then? If I remember correctly, the Xbox One launched in areas before 6 PM yesterday here in America.
No, I'm asking a simple question in response to what he said and based on when this news came out.
Warm Machine
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Didn't many people already say not to believe Target's online stock?
Chobel
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Because they had to wait 24 hours after launch?
RukusProvider
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Here's hoping the XB1 launch team, after all their hard work to get this thing out the door can grab a beer, circle up and read this thread for enjoyment.
Quadraphonic
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Amazingly enough, Google's stock checking for stores is more accurate than the store's own. The stores often fudge data one way or the other for reasons. Google just outputs the straight number if you use Google Shopping to check.
Why? Just like preorder sales for games or season passes, the day 1 sales number are not driven at all by their hard work.
The Xbox One would have sold the EXACT same number on Friday whether it gave you herpes on first boot or if it shat out gold bricks.
Why? Just like preorder sales for games or season passes, the day 1 sales number are not driven at all by their hard work.
The Xbox One would have sold the EXACT same number on Friday whether it gave you herpes on first boot or if it shat out gold bricks.
Nightengale
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Duxxy3
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It does seem pretty unreal.
Uhh... that's what I'm saying. Based on what I remember yesterday, 24 hours after launch still would have been hours before basically 8 PM EST today.
EDIT: Apparently the Xbox One launched in New Zealand on Thursday November 21st, 2013 at 6:00 AM EST.
Randolph Freelander
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Dude, please, go and read the PR and think critically.
They're reporting selling out. They know how much they shipped. There could be a few odd thousand still sitting on shelves at the time of their announcement, but it's immaterial, they're counted. They know the number and they're reporting it. Like most companies, the crowing happened late in their day.
Are you Karl Rove, by chance? Still waiting on that uncounted Republican majority in Ohio?
EventHorizon
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We don't know the full North American sales but we, well Microsoft, has a really really good idea. The vast majority of the day one sales were preorders or people specifically wanting to get the XB1 as soon as possible. These sales have already been accounted for because they have already happened. All online sales have already been shipped and counted, and eager day one buyers don't wait until 9pm en mass to buy. The only sales left are stragglers or impulse buyers who can actually find a console. That is going to be a much much smaller percentage of people in relation to the day's total sales.
My guess is that Microsoft did the projections and knew it couldn't beat the PS4's sales in North America, and probably couldn't even beat the PS4's NA sales with their worldwide numbers either. Knowing this they released the 1 million number as soon as possible to get some positive press from it. It made no sense to wait because they knew they weren't going to be able to hit 1.5 million which be the next logical step to announce.
PaulExcellent
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Congratulations, Xbox team!
I saw more than a few being sold while shopping around, so the system is obviously selling.
Can't wait to see some cool games for the thing.
I saw more than a few being sold while shopping around, so the system is obviously selling.
Can't wait to see some cool games for the thing.
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