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2012 NBA Finals |OT| Good Job, Good Effort
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ClovingWestbrook
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iamshadowlark
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I dont get it?
I doubt they're sticking Wade on Westbrook as long as Sefolosha or Cook or Fisher are out there
Chalmers and *gulp* Cole will probably go after Westbrook mostly while we likely trap the shit out of him. Wade will get Harden and whatever scrubs and Battier will get Durant a lot and LeBron will probably be on Ibaka
Mike Miller.....will be lying down like a mummy again
Chalmers and *gulp* Cole will probably go after Westbrook mostly while we likely trap the shit out of him. Wade will get Harden and whatever scrubs and Battier will get Durant a lot and LeBron will probably be on Ibaka
Mike Miller.....will be lying down like a mummy again
CommonSense
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Michael, is that you?
ClovingWestbrook
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Kendrick is much better than Jo L
Future PhaZe
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Am I the only one who saw some concerning things about Brons perimeter defense last series? I think KD is going to carve him up.
CommonSense
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Dude he averaged 43 minutes a game in the series. Perhaps fatigue set in?
lol he may average 48 min a game now
CommonSense
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Well to be fair Durant can't stop Lebron either. So it's tit for tat. Big man would break him in half if he made the mistake of trying to cut off LBJ from the basket. Ibaka would be a big mistake to put on Lebron as well.
DJ Crimson
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Heat in 5. Yep. Westbrook will go back to his inconsistent play and team offense will dry up. Durant won't be able to carry that entire team even if Harden helps.
Red Blaster
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What things, Pierce was pretty bad all series.
Westbrook has already been incredibly inconsistent in the playoffs.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01/gamelog/2012/#pgl_basic_playoffs::none
The key to OKC's success has never been KD "carrying" the team--it's about team defense, opportunistic transition ball, and passing the ball in the halfcourt.
Know what you're talking about if you're gonna make big pronouncements.
Very high. Not S tier (Duncan, Garnett, Barkley, Malone, Dirk, McHale), but up there in the ranks with Pettit and Hayes
DJ Crimson
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Big pronouncement? This a random sports topic on NeoGAF... Don't get in a fuss just because I'm not praising Thunder to high heaven. I have no problems with my prediction. They aren't ready for the finals just yet, their team will buckle. Give it another year or two.
CommonSense
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Webber in his prime was a better player than Barkley, Dirk, and McHale. He just played on worse teams.
No he wasn't. He did play on worse teams though.
CommonSense
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Let's see he had a good 6 season run where he averaged 24 and 10 with 4.5 assists and nearly two steals and a block a game. On a team where he was pretty much the only option...Yeah, he shits on them.
iamshadowlark
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At what mean mugging?
Dude is hot garbage and slow as sin on is feet. OKC is lucky they have ibaka
I don't need strangers on the internet to "[praise the] Thunder to high heaven." Your criticism simply didn't make any sense.
Your basis for predicting a Miami Finals win was 1) Westbrook will go back to being inconsistent and 2) Durant won't be able to carry the team on his own. As I stated--Westbrook has already been incredibly inconsistent these playoffs, and Durant has never needed to "carry" the team--he simply provides a consistent leadership and scoring presence. You responded to this with nonsense.
Either provide some evidence or basis for your prediction (other than Skip Bayless-esque "they'll buckle," "they're not ready yet") or don't get mad when I call you out.
I don't require groupthink, just that big pronouncements (which "Heat in 5" certainly is) are backed up with something other than vague generalities.DJ Crimson said:
Um... You're wrong there too. This is Best-GAF.DJ Crimson said:
benjipwns
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No way, those guys were all offensive machines.
CommonSense
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CommonSense wonders why people forget that Webber was also an offensive machine.
LiveFromKyoto
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True, it's time to move on. Can't we all just hate Lebron for the "All the people that were rooting me on to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had before" remark now?
Is that a joke, or are you serious?
CommonSense
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I would take webber in his prime over all 3 of them. I am serious as a heart attack. If you feel differently than you're either too young to remember him or to ignorant to be alive.
iamshadowlark
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Whats wrong with that, everybody has bad moments. Jordan was lebron before he was Jordan.
DJ Crimson
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Sorry, I'm not here to persuade a Thunder fan that the team is going to lose. Nor was I looking for you or anybody else to agree with me. You could have just ignored my post like most are doing but hey. You have to continue with that overconfident Thunder crusade you got going on.
CommonSense
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When? When he was winning NCAA championships with game winning shots or when he was carrying a bulls team towards relevance on his back?
Lebron has never won dick and he clearly lacked the fortitude to emulate MJ.
This isn't even a debate.
I would still put Barkley over Webber. Not sure about McHale since I am biased agaainst him but he's definitely better than Dirk. Dirk doesn't even play like a PF anyway.
As an aside, anyone remembers TNT's dream team draft a couple years ago? Webber had to draft himself in the last round. That was sad.
CommonSense
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Barkley and his 6'4 ass could not defend webber. Not to mention Webber's ability to create shots for others and rebound.
I'm neither one of those things, thanks. Webber wasn't a slouch, but simply he wasn't better than the players you mentioned.
iamshadowlark
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NCAA championships? LMAO. Jordan wasn't even considered the best in his draft.
And wtf were the Cavs before lebron came? Even more of a laughing stock than they are now(Im suprised thats even possible.)
Jordan was the guy that was getting his ass handed to him by the Pistons and Celtics. Before Phil and Scottie came he was the one everybody was questioning if he could get it done.
Its really not a debate. Jordan wasn't shit till he actually won.
CommonSense
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Barkleys inflated ass numbers came at the tail end of the run and gun basketball of the late 80's early 90's where a score of 120-115 was the norm.
Dirk couldn't stop my grandmother from delivering bread, much less Webber on the block.
Even though webber was as good as either offensively, it's his other skills that place him squarely above either of them.
I definitely remember Chris Webber. Good player on bad teams but he was never very smart on the court. You replace Dirk or McHale with Webber and Dallas would have lost to Miami and Boston would have never won three titles and Chris Webber would be dead because Larry and Red would have had him killed.
DJ Crimson
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Their star player before James was Ricky Davis. That should speak for itself.
CommonSense
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Dude, please. Comparing Lebron to Mj is like comparing your dumbo ass to DYNasty. Some things just don't equal others.
benjipwns
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He's not even comparable by any evaluation:
Code:
Player Years P/36 R/36 A/36 PER TS% USG% ORtg WS WS/48
Barkley 1987-93 23.7 11.1 3.9 26.6 .640 25.6 123 102.2 .241
Nowitzk 2001-08 23.0 8.8 2.7 25.2 .587 27.2 119 118.1 .239
McHale 1984-90 22.0 8.6 2.2 21.5 .625 23.1 122 86.5 .200
Webber 1996-02 21.2 9.6 4.0 22.6 .529 27.6 106 53.5 .164Oh, I get it now.
Egg on my face.
ClovingWestbrook
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Lol wut?
MJ won an NCAA chip with draining the winning shot. Somethig Bron STILL has yet to do.
MJ came into the league wanting to humiliate his opponents and had the will of a psycho. Lebron still lacks this attribute.
LeBron has never been MJ in the most important qualities.
CommonSense
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Better defense? LOL
I hate shit like this. Don't post in a thread unless you're willing to defend what you say.
And I think it'll be a tough series, even if I think OKC has quite a few advantages.
iamshadowlark
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Aww dat checkmate.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
― Socrates
CommonSense
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LOL, you can quote Plato and Aristotle too if it makes you feel better. Lebron isn't MJ and there isn't one person on this board nor in the league who would nod their head at your bullshit.
"Stupid is as stupid does"
Forest Gump
DJ Crimson
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I'd defend it, but I don't give a shit what you think about my predictions. Deal with it. Also, just to make you feel a little bit better. I said Heat will go 4-1 in the series but that doesn't mean I think they'll all be blowouts. There will be none of those in this series.
CommonSense
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I grew up in the 80's watching the Celts and the Lakers, if you really think for a minute defense was better back then, you're crazy.
Teams averaged 105 a game back then, 85 now.
iamshadowlark
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Lebron never went to fucking college, kind of hard to hit a game-winner from the sidelines. And all that psycho mumbo-jumbo is for the birds dudes. Talk to Vag with that bullshit.
MJ wasn't shit till he actually won. Anybody without a biased memory can tell you people were questioning whether Jordan could get it done, till he actually got it done. Anybody who says otherwise is revising history.