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2012 NBA Finals |OT| Good Job, Good Effort
- Thread starter reilo
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fine, ignore 2010. look at 2006. by what metric is Kobe better than Wade that year?
Do you understand the concept of usage and how goddamn exponentially more difficult it gets to score 35PPG versus 27PPG?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Do you understand the concept of usage and how goddamn exponentially more difficult it gets to score 35PPG versus 27PPG?
but somethin somethin fg%!
Do you have any idea how hard it is to score 27PPG while nursing a chronic skin injury under your eye?Do you understand the concept of usage and how goddamn exponentially more difficult it gets to score 35PPG versus 27PPG?
Do you understand the concept of usage and how goddamn exponentially more difficult it gets to score 35PPG versus 27PPG?
Do you think Wade couldn't score 35+ on .45%?
Do you think Kobe scoring more points per game means he was the better player in 2006?
Herpes Reasons
Banned
but, that's only 8 more points per game.Do you understand the concept of usage and how goddamn exponentially more difficult it gets to score 35PPG versus 27PPG?
that's 4 more made baskets.
in wade's equivalent, that's 4 flops that lead to 8 made freethrows.
he could've if he wanted to!Do you think Wade couldn't score 35+ on .45%?
but obviously, wade took the high road and scored less points.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Do you think Wade couldn't score 35+ on .45%?
... wut
Byakuya769
Member
smh. I cannot wait for this game to get started.
Black Mamba
Member
Do you think Wade couldn't score 35+ on .45%?
Do you think Kobe scoring more points per game means he was the better player in 2006?
No. No way Wade can keep that up without getting hurt, either.
Kobe's main teammates were Luke Walton, brian Cook, Devean George, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, and Lamar Odom that season.
We saw what Wade did in about the same spot. He won 15 games and played mediocre, comparatively.
Do you think Wade couldn't score 35+ on .45%?
No, because he hasn't. His chance to do it was in 2009 when he averaged 30PPG on 49FG%. That was Wade's ceiling.
Do you think Kobe scoring more points per game means he was the better player in 2006?
No, Kobe was a better player that year for various reasons, one of them being that he scored more points per game.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Gosh I guess it's just too bad Kobe didn't want to score those points in game 7 against Phoenix. It's a good thing he's not a quitter like LeBron
lol. are you honestly telling me that Lebron tried in the boston series and kobe didn't vs Boston? lolz Kobe actually helped in other ways while LeBron simply said 'Check my $tat$'
Prototype-03
Member
lol. are you honestly telling me that Lebron tried in the boston series and kobe didn't vs Boston? lolz Kobe actually helped in other ways while LeBron simply said 'Check my $tat$'
Intangibles?? what is that?
No, Kobe was a better player that year for various reasons, one of them being that he scored more points per game.
So what were the other reasons?
lol. are you honestly telling me that Lebron tried in the boston series and kobe didn't vs Boston? lolz Kobe actually helped in other ways while LeBron simply said 'Check my $tat$'
We're talking about game 7 against Phoenix in 2006...
Black Mamba
Member
Gosh I guess it's just too bad Kobe didn't want to score those points in game 7 against Phoenix. It's a good thing he's not a quitter like LeBron
He had over 20 points at halftime and his team was down big. They lost the game he scored 50 in, as well.
He knew the team had to get going collectively. He didn't quit in a winnable game like Lebron. He didn't quit in a season like Wade.
Better than another discussion on Lebron.I think we can all agree this is the least interesting thing to discuss just hours before game 1
Black Mamba
Member
I like that this cat keeps meantioning Kobe's FG% versus Wade's ignoring how Kobe shot over 400 more 3s that season.
Their eFG% was about the same. Kobe's FT% was better with about the same amount.
Their eFG% was about the same. Kobe's FT% was better with about the same amount.
Paul George avatar immediately after the Knicks series is my favHas anyone had a better avatar than Kados this season??
I like that this cat keeps meantioning Kobe's FG% versus Wade's ignoring how Kobe shot over 400 more 3s that season.
Their eFG% was about the same. Kobe's FT% was better with about the same amount.
It's still higher for Wade (eFG and TS), so why was Kobe the better player in 2006?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
We're talking about game 7 against Phoenix in 2006...
And for Kobe, it wasn't the entire game, it was a half. LeBron gave up on the series vs Boston before game 6 even began. Nevertheless, why did you even bring up Lebron and Kobe when the discussion was about Kobe and Wade?
Okay- I didn't even like Lebron then, and youre changing the narrative there w that seriesAnd for Kobe, it wasn't the entire game, it was a half. LeBron gave up on the series vs Boston before game 6 even began. Nevertheless, why did you even bring up Lebron and Kobe when the discussion was about Kobe and Wade?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Okay- I didn't even like Lebron then, and youre changing the narrative there w that series
Oh really, now. Go back and watch games 5 and 6 vs Boston. Game 6 wasn't the beginning of LeBron going 'fuck ya'll, Im out' mode.
Cloving defending Kobe quitting, too :lol
True Lakers Fans.
Defending? No. I am simply pointing out that unlike LeBron, Kobe didn't quit on his team for the entire game(s). If you're an NBA player, its ridiculous to ever quit during the playoffs. Kobe will forever have the game 7 brought up and LeBron will have the Boston SERIES brought up.
Mamba defending Kobe's blatant Game 7 quit :lol
So good.
Not only that, but as I pointed out above, they went on a rampage when it was suggested that T-Mac was better than Kobe from 2000-2002.
Their reasoning why Kobe was better? "Rings, shooting percentage, efficiency" and so on.
So predictable.
This is very simple. I hope you don't think I'm trolling (except the game 7 comment hehe).
I said that Wade was the best player in 2006.
People in this thread freaked out
I pointed out the stats that show this
So far all I've seen is that Kobe scored more points per game
Answer me this...
Person A shoots 100 times at a target and hits it 50% of the time.
Person B shoots 25 times at a target and hits it 55% of the time.
Is Person B a better sharpshooter?
Liquidsnake
Banned
Thunder in 6.
Black Mamba
Member
It's still higher for Wade (eFG and TS), so why was Kobe the better player in 2006?
It was under 1 percentage point higher. On 700 more shots. You think Wade could have shot that season 700 more shots and only lost ONE percentage point? LOL
Kobe played all 80 games he could (suspended for 2) at 41mpg. When did Wade ever average 40? Kobe was the team's entire offense. He was a better defender, scored more, etc.
Wade got to pick his shots a lot more seeing as how he was on a good team. Kobe had to hoist 6 3s a game just for the Lakers to be in games.
The only reason Wade had a higher TS% is because his teams won more games which meant he got intentionally fouled more. If he shot less FTs being on a worse team that season, his TS% would have been below Kobe's.
Wade was amazing in the Finals. But for all of 2006, Kobe was FAR AND AWAY the best player in the league. Wade would never have gotten that team to 40+ wins. Like I said, we saw Wade in the same spot and he couldn't handle it.
Answer me this...
Person A shoots 100 times at a target and hits it 50% of the time.
Person B shoots 25 times at a target and hits it 55% of the time.
Is Person B a better sharpshooter?
1) Would Person B shoot at 50% if he shot it 100 times? This set up doesn't prove or disprove anything
2) Being scoring leader has nothing to do with being the better player (unless you think Durant was the best player the last 3 years, Wade was the best in 09 and AI was the best in the 2000s)
No. No way Wade can keep that up without getting hurt, either.
Kobe's main teammates were Luke Walton, brian Cook, Devean George, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, and Lamar Odom that season.
We saw what Wade did in about the same spot. He won 15 games and played mediocre, comparatively.
Why did you pick the worst and most unusual season to say "We saw what Wade did in about the same spot"
He did the same thing 2006 Kobe did in in 2009 and 2010
Black Mamba
Member
Why did you pick the worst and most unusual season to say "We saw what Wade did in about the same spot"
He did the same thing 2006 Kobe did in in 2009 and 2010
By that you mean won about the same with a better team in a much weaker conference.
reilo: It's worse since Kobe wasn't even more efficient than T-Mac.
dat moral victory
Defending? No. I am simply pointing out that unlike LeBron, Kobe didn't quit on his team for the entire game(s).
dat moral victory
It was under 1 percentage point higher. On 700 more shots. You think Wade could have shot that season 700 more shots and only lost ONE percentage point? LOL
Kobe played all 80 games he could (suspended for 2) at 41mpg. When did Wade ever average 40? Kobe was the team's entire offense. He was a better defender, scored more, etc.
Wade got to pick his shots a lot more seeing as how he was on a good team. Kobe had to hoist 6 3s a game just for the Lakers to be in games.
The only reason Wade had a higher TS% is because his teams won more games which meant he got intentionally fouled more. If he shot less FTs being on a worse team that season, his TS% would have been below Kobe's.
Wade was amazing in the Finals. But for all of 2006, Kobe was FAR AND AWAY the best player in the league. Wade would never have gotten that team to 40+ wins. Like I said, we saw Wade in the same spot and he couldn't handle it.
We did see Wade in the same spot multiple years (he was playing injured in 08 just like Kobe in 05) and he had about as much success as Kobe (kinda competitive first round loss). He took teams just as bad to 40+ wins.
Secondly, this shows that maybe they're around the same in scoring. Wade still has better stats. Talking about team quality doesn't mean anything because we're talking about who the better player is, not who had the better/more valuable season. Kobe wasn't a better defender. They're both about the same quality defenders.
Kobe was certainly not far and away the best player like, say, LeBron or Shaq or Jordan are, even if he did have the amazing 81 point and 60+ point games
ClovingWestbrook
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... and yet Wade never averaged 35PPG.
BUT HE COULD'VE IF HE WANTED!
Black Mamba
Member
We did see Wade in the same spot multiple years (he was playing injured in 08 just like Kobe in 05) and he had about as much success as Kobe (kinda competitive first round) loss. He took teams just as bad to 40+ wins.
The Lakers still own over 35 games that season with Kobe. And he missed a bunch of games. They had a winning record with him and Odom playing. But both got hurt. Wade won FIFTEEN games out of like 50. Oh, and Lakers coach had to quit mid-season.
Secondly, this shows that maybe they're around the same in scoring. Wade still has better stats. Talking about team quality doesn't mean anything because we're talking about who the better player is, not who had the better/more valuable season. Kobe wasn't a better defender. They're both about the same quality defenders.
Tyson Chandler is the best player in the NBA. I mean, he shoots almost 70%! Imagine if he shot more.
Amazing logic is amazing.
Kobe was the better player. The fact that he scored on the same efficiency taking 700 more shots proves it. And Wade is not that good of a defender. Kobe was at one time a lock down defender. Wade never has been. Wade is a gambler, nothing more.
Kobe was certainly not far and away the best player like, say, LeBron or Shaq or Jordan are, even if he did have the amazing 81 point and 60+ point games
In '06 he was. If you take Wade, you are a fool.
... and yet Wade never averaged 35PPG.
Wade has averaged over 28ppg ONCE in his career. 35ppg is so ridiculous in the current NBA, too. smh
By that you mean won about the same with a better team in a much weaker conference.
Wade didn't have a player as good as Odom on his team, yet still won more games.
In '03 he was. If you take Kobe, you are a fool.
Fixed for consistency.
... and yet Wade never averaged 35PPG.
so? That's silly. Kobe never averaged over 33ppg or 6.8ast in the playoffs like Wade. Does that prove anything? Nope
Prototype-03
Member
so? That's silly. Kobe never averaged over 33ppg or 6.8ast in the playoffs like Wade. Does that prove anything? Nope
So if Kobe scored less but higher %, you would be okay?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
so? That's silly. Kobe never averaged over 33ppg or 6.8ast in the playoffs like Wade. Does that prove anything? Nope
Are we talking the playoffs or the regular season in 2006? Make up your mind. And lol with the ESPN like stat.
Prototype-03
Member
Kobe was a better volume scorer than Wade.
Now you guys can move on to the rest of basketball.
So did anyone see that article where someone mentioned they should trade Pau for Amare?*
It was an instant "NNNNNNOOOO!!!!" from me
*Not sure if the writer was credible
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Kobe was a better volume scorer than Wade.
Now you guys can move on to the rest of basketball.
Lets talk about Houston Rockets basketball
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DeathbyVolcano
Banned
Everyone shut the fuck up