Mavs played great. And last year the East was TOUGH, and Bron stepped up to the plate and hit huge, clutch, crucial shots.
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2012 NBA Playoffs |OT2| OKC VS LA: Black on Black Crime
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Mavs played great. And last year the East was TOUGH, and Bron stepped up to the plate and hit huge, clutch, crucial shots.
Basketball is different because a star player can control the outcome much more than in any other team sport. A basketball team with 2 of the top 5 and 3 of the top 15 players should never lose a series. Miami has no excuse for not winning this year outside of injury (I really hope we get no more)
ThisWreckage
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On paper and barring injuries, the Heat should win EVERY year they're assembled. But it hasn't happened and won't happen consistently. They have glaring weaknesses that are maybe even fatal.
Ninja Scooter
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Chris Bosh is not top 15.
ThisWreckage
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I'm not even sure if Bosh is a top five PF, let alone a top 15 player.
Argue? That's the prevailing opinion anyway.
ClovingWestbrook
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No. He won one MVP.
GremlinFool
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Top 50, maybe. The top 2 or 3 players on every team more or less are better than Bosh, really.
MorisUkunRasik
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He's being utilized extremely poorly by Spo. He was easily a top 5 PF but now....
and he's in his prime, god damn.
Ninja Scooter
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Lebron
CP3
Deron
Kobe
Dwight
Love
Wade
Z-Bo
Marc Gasol
Durant
Westbrick
Rose
Melo
Bynum
Harden
Duncan
Parker
Blake
Horford
KG
Rondo
Nash
Dirk
Tyson Chandler
24 players who IMO are easily better than Bosh right now. So he's 25th at best.
He was till he got stuck playing with Bron and Wade lol
Bosh is better than those guys when he gets touches IMO
Ninja Scooter
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before he was just a guy who put up inflated stats on shit teams. Made him look better than he was. The best thing he did was attach himself to Bron and Wade and turn into the "Big 3" when he wasn't in their league. He's the next-gen Antawn Jamison.
http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_20604521/kiszla-nba-should-have-ruled-world-peace-out
Smells like fear. Karl knows he can't play that BS 2-PG lineup now lol
Smells like fear. Karl knows he can't play that BS 2-PG lineup now lol
yep he just forced a game 7, embarrassed the opposing team, and he's the scared one.
He's not scared though he's definitely bitching. Had the suspension been regular season + 1st round and the Lakers took care of business, the Thunder would've said the opposite thing.
Suspension has always been # of games. He should just be glad that MWP wasn't there for game 5 and game 6 when the Lakers bigs disappeared. Now his team gets a chance for an upset (and a belated personal revenge on the Lakers).
fredrancour
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Mike brown's attempts at a 2 PG lineup are the more harmful BS to the lakers.
FrenchMovieTheme
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karl has nothing to lose. the nuggets have run the lakers out of the gym 2 straight games if you take away kobe's incredible final 5 mins of game 5 (which he will not duplicate again). not saying they'll win tomorrow but karl is a vastly superior coach and his players are playing like they just dont give a fuck (the good way) and the lakers are playing like they just dont give a fuck (the bad way)
you know FMT, you're basketball comments are similar to the situation you just described: in nba-gaf you post like you don't give a fuck (the good way) and in the nfl-age you post like you also dont give a fuck (the bad way).
just sayin. maybe you should post more here lol
ThisWreckage
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I think it would have made more since for the league to suspend him for seven games. That way, if the first round goes to seven he still doesn't get to play. I get where he is coming from.
Lol
except that when one of the other two are out and he gets touchs, he puts up the same stats he used to.
Bosh is still able to be the go to man, but he's just used very poorly next to wade and lbj.
He still plays good D though. So there's that.
And he's a top 3 PF. Only ones who might be better are Duncan and Dirk.
No, blake isn't. Bosh makes FT's.
TheKaeptain
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Lakers are getting straight up out coached. Brown never knows when to sit players and he never knows when to put them back in. He doesn't know how to adjust the offense very well.
Eh, I'm no fan of Brown's but how can he coach Bynum and Pau to stop getting beat up and down the floor in transition and be tougher in the paint?
The players are the problem in this series. Playing soft, not getting back in transition and not hitting open 3s
I have only 2 problems with him in this series:
- Blake on Miller late in games. That's just DUMB!
- Not having Goudelock in the rotation. We need a 3pt shooter so badly and our best guy doesn't play anymore. WTF?
sf2fanatic
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Rudy T needs to come down to the bench and take over for the rest of the playoffs..
http://hw.libsyn.com/p/f/5/1/f518aa...36815462&hwt=c74c72e04056a1d311720377acd80a69
GREAT, great great interview with Spoelstra on the Dan Lebatard Show- not just the usual coach-speak, pretty good insight- go to the 10 minute mark. Everyone should listen, if you havent heard Spo talk in a more candid light, he comes across very well. Frank Vogel is also on the podcast, hes in the next segment.
The Frank Vogel interview is pretty great too fwiw- he speaks verry candidly on flopping. He says RESOUNDINGLY, Lebron James is not a flopper.
GREAT, great great interview with Spoelstra on the Dan Lebatard Show- not just the usual coach-speak, pretty good insight- go to the 10 minute mark. Everyone should listen, if you havent heard Spo talk in a more candid light, he comes across very well. Frank Vogel is also on the podcast, hes in the next segment.
The Frank Vogel interview is pretty great too fwiw- he speaks verry candidly on flopping. He says RESOUNDINGLY, Lebron James is not a flopper.
The Frankman
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I think players are starting to look at what the Clippers' been doing and start to duplicate their success. If the league doesnt do anything this summer, players are gonna spend the whole summer taking acting classes and work on their heliflopter moves. It will spread like wildfire next season.
The Frankman
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Worst thing to do is to get a rep of it. I mean we all know he likes to praise Jesus on the highest stage, but I don't remember any egregious regular season flops by LeBron either. Imagine if he did that daily in the regular season?
Something that is far more distressing is his Flop Rate (for you NBA SABRs) in the postseason seems to be increasing... Remember last year? Can anyone remember any flops vs. Philly? Suddenly vs. the Bulls we saw some bad ones, then vs. Dallas ... yeah. Even against the Knicks he seemed to maintain a high number of flops.
WesternHeretic
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It's kind of hard to do anything about it though since it's pretty damn hard to tell in real time. Obviously it's much easier in slow motion, but as we've seen in both the NFL and the NBA there are certain things you can't change from replay. Just like how you can't go back and look at replay for holding calls in the NFL you can't go back on replay to look for fouls. If the refs missed a foul then they missed it. Just a part of the game.
Like it or not it's up to the players. Either they go back to playing like men, or they go the "Futbol" route and we are going to have every city be flop city.
They probably can't do much about traditional contact flops since it'll be very subjective how much force the contact caused the player to lose balance, but the league can do a lot about non-contact flops or soft contacts that caused an exaggerated reaction, like the ones in the OP. Just have the league do post-game reviews. 1st offense: fine, 2nd offense: more fine, 3rd offense: suspension. That should discourage a lot of the ridiculous stuff.
LeBron has never had to rely on flopping. If even he is doing it, you can be damn well sure the other players are going to follow suit soon.
Agree. (LBJ does sell contact though, but he gets a lot of "freebie" sort of calls any way. Maybe soft if a better way to describe them)
But fine them, post game. no contact to the area you're flopping over? (i.e. blake holding his eye after that dunk) $50,000 fine.
Then it doubles ever flop there after.
Adam Blade
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Disappointed.
Adam Blade
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but pringles!
But I don't want to join the loserbros.
You were always a loser bro :3
but adam, you're the loser grand-patriarch. :3
Adam Blade
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Stop posting from your alt accounts, h3_nasty. 
There was this stat during the game last night, Clips have won approx. only 35% of their games since 1984. This is not a family, this is a religion and you're the Guiding Light.
Take Heat vs spurs.
Heat have best two players.
Spurs have 12 of the next 13 best.
Despite what espn/gaf thinks the spurs should be a HEAVY favorite in that series even if Lebron was given Mj's brain for the series.
This. In some interview Ben Wallace flipped out when they brought up that he was one of the best unknown floppers. He knows that if he got a real rep for it the calls wouldn't come as often.
Except hey, you suit up 12 guys a night, and 5 players are on the court.
Yeah of course, but the 11-12 men on the spurs being better players than guys like Chalmers/Haslem/Mike Miller is still important even if most fans couldn't pick Green/Mills/Leonard etc out of a lineup.
He's got a point. Why should MWP be allowed to comeback and impact a game 7. It doesn't make much sense.
It wouldn't surprise me.
I personally think the NBA picked 7 games partially for selfish reasons. It guaranteed that MWP would either A) be back for the OKC series, which will be a huge ratings boon or B) worst-case scenario, he'd be back in a game 7 against Denver and help the second-round OKC matchup happen.
A Lakers-Thunder series is much more desirable from the NBA's standpoint than a Nuggets-Thunder series.
If Denver manages to win it will be extremely impressive, and they'll probably have to do it without much help from the refs.
A Lakers-Thunder series is much more desirable from the NBA's standpoint than a Nuggets-Thunder series.
If Denver manages to win it will be extremely impressive, and they'll probably have to do it without much help from the refs.
This is pretty much why they had that set up. Also has any team ever come back from 3-1 by winning 2 on the road?
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